Italy says India must show respect in killings row

[Invincible INDIAN]

i think italy is right here....since the indian human rights track record is worse in asia....and mind you ....india dident showed respect to its own citizens and systematic ethnic cleansing of its own sikh citizens in 1984 is pretty much enough for italians to maintain a preemptive position....who knows.....indian army might kill them and then call it a suicide.

Under the aussie's flag, still you are not safe

 

[livingdead]

They should find out where it happened first, if it was in international water then these guys have to be prosecuted in italy.
We should not be emotional just because they are foreigners.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

no abu ,

None of this is true and you know it .

Indians kill each other everyday but we do a lot more about it then your country does . And the Ganges part , dead vosy everyday dude . I can just

Take your jealousy elsewhere. You are just irked that you leaders don't have the balls to do sucha thing .

balls? what balls are you talking about?

i personally think india has been pretty soft.....our leaders are also sissies, but hey you know what they never got my vote (i'll blow my brains out with a .45 before voting for them)

there's no jealousy here because im not the type of person who gets jealous --- i'm too proud to do that.

as for ''none of this is true'' --well, i could debunk that in seconds but anywazz -- it's your own problem between you and the italianos.


maybe that italian lady in your ''Lok Sabha'' can actually be of some use -- and speak a language that she actually understands

 

[livingdead]

especially when the women running your country happens to be a foreigner too

I am not sure any foreigner women running our country.
Sonia Gandhi is Indian citizen. She has popular support.

 

[T90TankGuy]

i think italy is right here....since the indian human rights track record is worse in asia....and mind you ....india dident showed respect to its own citizens and systematic ethnic cleansing of its own sikh citizens in 1984 is pretty much enough for italians to maintain a preemptive position....who knows.....indian army might kill them and then call it a suicide.

this is the second post i have seen of yours , i guess you just came here to troll.

 

[idune]

Let's see how long indians can show how much of their spine to try italians in india? We are waiting...

 

[samrat]

don't forget thousands of innocent bangladeshi killing by BSF

Thats b/n BD & India.If BD is so much concerned they would have take us to court.

 

[kingkobra]

the funny thing about indians here is that they fume when indians are killed by non-indians......but when indians are busy killing eachother, they remain deaf dumb and mute. We have similar issue with this phenomenon actually. It's quite bizarre.

dead bodies are found in ganges everyday, nobody asks questions

some tribes do not bury or burn..they throw dead bodies of relatives in rivers...if you do not have any idea about things then it is better to stay away from the topic..

same can be said about many countries..pakistan has killed more pakistanis than anyone else...then too you guys consider india as you enemy...you are your own worst enemey...

 

[samrat]

If the incident happened in international waters we should follow international law guideline and not the Indian law. Respect for the law should come first and foremost , my viewpoint .

Getting emotional will take us nowhere .

In b/n we are all forgetting the Ship Owners who are loosing millions as the ship is just lying idle, its crew which also includes 19 Indians, the owner of the fishing boat whose boat is also lying idle and this man is neck deep in debt.

Our courts are slower than snail.

 

[Hello_10]

Italy says India must show respect in killings row
Last Updated: Friday, March 02, 2012, 22:10 0

Rome: India must show respect for Italy, Defence Minister Giampaolo Di Paola said on Friday, in an escalating row over two Italian soldiers facing murder charges for killing two Indian fishermen.


"We have a lot of respect for India and for the Indian people but we are expecting equal respect to be shown for Italy, for legality and for international law by the Indian nation," Di Paola told reporters in Rome.

The two soldiers have been in custody since last month in the southern state of Kerala on charges of shooting dead the two fishermen who were mistaken for pirates trying to attack an oil tanker that the Italians were protecting.

"The strength with which these two marines are facing up to this extremely difficult challenge should serve as an example and a stimulus for redoubled efforts to resolve this painful incident through international law," he said.

Italy says the men should be prosecuted in Italy and not in India, claiming the incident occurred in international waters on an Italian-flagged ship.

India insists the soldiers should be dealt with under Indian law. "Our military must be prosecuted in Italy. They cannot be judged unilaterally, otherwise this would throw into question all our operational activities," said Italian navy chief Admiral Luigi Binelli Mantelli.

"Let's try and shed light on this incident together but we will never leave our sailors alone, Italian military who were doing their duty and protecting not just the ship but also the 19 crew members on board," he said.

Italy has filed a petition in the Kerala state high court seeking instant dismissal of the murder case against Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone.

Italy says India must show respect in killings row

One question for the Italian government, if Indian navy might have killed their two Italian soldiers on that same international water itself, without arresting them, would it be justified and Italy might be happy? I mean, if Italian government thinks that their soldiers would be sent back to Italy where they may be even freed also by showing few ‘good reasons’, because they committed crimes on the ‘international water’, then here, isn’t it justified to take these two marines to the same international water and let them killed by the family members of those poor fishermen who didn’t have military arms to defend themselves from those Italian marines on that same "international water"?

Before requesting for respect, the Italian government must prove whether they deserve respect or not. There are many like Ms Sonia Gandhi who once came to India but don’t want to back to Italy. then here, why can’t these two Italian marines be prosecuted in Kerala state high court? And if these two marines will not be found guilty and it can be proved that the incident was an ‘accident’ only, then Indian laws will itself release them? Doesn’t Italian government have respect for Indian laws? And if it is found that two drunk Italian criminals were wearing Italian uniform and committed intentional crime of murdering two poor fishermen who were there to earn two times food for their family members, then here, what type of respect the Italian government may earn from Indian government by requesting freedom of these murderers to let them commit more similar crimes on international water?

Congress government is responsible to prove their loyalty for the Indian civilians, not for the Western governments who are backed by US. Even if Sonia Gandhi is visiting US/ New York right now, it mustn’t mean for release of two western murderers, no matter how many loyalists US has in Congress

 

[samrat]

The Italians will not be allowed to go and be prosecuted in Italy. If that were to happen, the opposition will have a field day at Sonia Gandhi's expense given that he once had an Italian passport.

They are Italian Marines and if the incident happened in International waters, international law will apply. No need in getting emotional and if the opposition is keen on taking potshots at Sonia Gandhi bcs of her place of birth, it shows their immaturity.

 

[Birbal]

One question for the Italian government, if Indian navy might have killed their two Italian soldiers on that same international water itself, without arresting them, would it be justified and Italy might be happy? I mean, if Italian government thinks that their soldiers would be sent back to Italy where they may be even freed also by showing few ‘good reasons’, because they committed crimes on the ‘international water’, then here, isn’t it justified to take these two marines to the same international water and let them killed by the family members of those poor fishermen who didn’t have military arms to defend themselves from those Italian marines on that same "international water"?

Before requesting for respect, the Italian government must prove whether they deserve respect or not. There are many like Ms Sonia Gandhi who once came to India but don’t want to back to Italy. then here, why can’t these two Italian marines be prosecuted in Kerala state high court? And if these two marines will not be found guilty and it can be proved that the incident was an ‘accident’ only, then Indian laws will itself release them? Doesn’t Italian government have respect for Indian laws? And if it is found that two drunk Italian criminals were wearing Italian uniform and committed intentional crime of murdering two poor fishermen who were there to earn two times food for their family members, then here, what type of respect the Italian government may earn from Indian government by requesting freedom of these murderers to let them commit more similar crimes on international water?

Congress government is responsible to prove their loyalty for the Indian civilians, not for the Western governments who are backed by US. Even if Sonia Gandhi is visiting US/ New York right now, it mustn’t mean for release of two western murderers, no matter how many loyalists US has in Congress

This is the point. Everyone is arguing over wether it happened in international waters or not. But the point is that even if it did happen in international waters, they should be tried in India, as their crimes were against Indians. This is known as the passive personality principle, which is recognized in the Indian Penal Code:

besides nationality and effects, there have been suggested and accepted from time to time a variety of other foundations for a state's exercise of extraterritorial jurisdiction. Three points should be mentioned here: the protective principle, the universality principle, and the passive personality principle.

 

[Birbal]

The Italians will not be allowed to go and be prosecuted in Italy. If that were to happen, the opposition will have a field day at Sonia Gandhi's expense given that he once had an Italian passport.

That's the irony. Most of the Congress critics think these guys are going to have an easier time because Gandhi is Italian, whereas the truth is the opposite. She can't afford to appear to be playing favorites for Italy.

 

[Hello_10]

That's the irony. Most of the Congress critics think these guys are going to have an easier time because Gandhi is Italian, whereas the truth is the opposite. She can't afford to appear to be playing favorites for Italy.

Look, here you are doing a mistake. Whenever you have to deal with ‘war politics’, only those are defined as your friends who can fight for you. And its no doubt that US+West behaved like an enemy when they forced India to sign NPT, to accept ruling of P5s over the whole world who are equipped with Veto power in UN also, and its also true that US/ West always tried to force Indian leaders to make India a type of colony of US/ West. And even if US finally recognised India as an nuclear power country by '123 Agreement' in 2008, then here again, US is mainly intended to make India fight with China but they have no intention to make the world free from nuclear weapons. While India and China both have No First Use policy of nukes, but NATO doesn’t. while it is the same US who always tried to arm Pakistan with their best arms to fight with India, and also tried to attack India in 1972 but they couldn’t due to SU/ Russia.

And here, whenever we find India fighting with US/ West, either in WTO or on different war politics, imposing different economic constraints on India to make it disadvantageous on trade, we always find Ms Sonia Gandhi either quiet or willing to support US/ West. While Ms Sonia Gandhi gets votes from those who find India, the nation, to be grateful to the people like Ms I Gandhi/ Ms R Gandhi, who committed their whole life for their nation and were known for fighting against US/ West, helping different developing nations through NAM (Non-Aligned Movement) etc against colonial mentality West/ NATO.

I would either appreciate or blame the Indian culture where after death of her husband, a wife not only gets all the assets/ properties/ wealth of her husband, but also, his earned reputation/ honor belongs to his widow wife. And foreign born Sonia Gandhi, who came to India when she was 20+, not only got wealth of her husband but also his ‘votes’, the ‘votes’/ honour her patriot husband, Mr R Gandhi earned. But those who vote for Sonia Gandhi forget that Ms I Gandhi/ Mr R Gandhi were known for their friendship with Russia/ Soviet Union, with leading developing world through NAM, not for supporting colonial mentality West who want to rule the world by either nuclear weapons through NPT/ or through Veto powers in UN . And after death of Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi, we find their votes are going to the person who is claimed to be even crying also during Batla house encounter? This lady, Sonia Gandhi, who now gets votes of her patriot family, not only work as a Western spy in India but also she and her men like Mr Digvijay Singh are trying to organise Hindu-Muslim riots in India also. The outcome of Indian culture is, a spy type woman has now got so much strengths to do so many anti national activities by using credits of her patriot husband/ mother in law, Ms I Gandhi and Mr R Gandhi who remained patriot number one of India till their death

 

[Hello_10]

don't forget thousands of innocent bangladeshi killing by BSF

Original Post By Conceal Carry

Thats b/n BD & India.If BD is so much concerned they would have take us to court.

You would talk to me. Im willing to justify killings while cross border infiltration to any country, including India, and I would welcome as many arguments as I can get by PDF members to make me wrong. Im in total support of opening fire on those who come to Indian border and don’t stop after warnings, and before they may reach a certain distance which may be dangerous to the Indian military employed on the India-Bangladesh border, Indian military is fully justified to shoot them on site.

There has been few cases on India-Bangladesh border when few criminals even killed an Indian military person, when he allowed them to come closer, like one last month. And even if genuine people from Bangladesh want to come to India, they would apply for visa on the Indian embassy and wait for its outcome. Any attempt to cross international border to enter another country always bring risking life. I even strongly support kicking all the over 40mil Bangladeshi illegal immigrants back to Bangladesh and then they would be asked to apply for visa of India and allowed to come to India, if they may prove themselves worthy for the nation, India. I myself first did ME in Mech Engg from UTS and migrated under skill demand list of Australia. No country will let you come directly, just because Bangladesh isn’t capable enough to either feed their people or produce enough stuffs for their overly populated civilians, all they import from other countries. I would advise, in place of risking life while crossing Indian border, Bangladeshi people would go to sea and explore Africa/ South America or Australia. there is enough space in rest of the world where people are in need while India itself has big population to worry for. In fact, Bangladesh would learn from 'One Child Policy' of China.

When a military in put on the border, they can’t let anyone come closer after a certain distance, , and if they don’t stop after warnings, they are free to open fire. Infiltrators may have bombs/ illegal arms which may be a threat to either Indian nationals or for the border military itself . Just a month before, few criminals killed an Indian jawan on that same Indo-Bangla border. While the case of Italian soldiers is totally different. Few fishermen were trying for their daily food and greed of few more fish took them to International water. There wasn’t any attempt to enter the Italian border that those Italian soldiers had to open fire on the ‘unarmed’ poor people . Even if few Indian fishermen enter in Pakistani or Sri Lankan border in sea, they are first captured and checked for their intentions and are then released by the governments of Pakistan and Sri Lanka after few years when it is found that their intentions were just fishing, not to harm their nations. And here I find the Indian Navy the best who generally release the Pakistani and Sri Lankan fishermen just after few days only, if they don’t enter Indian water border with any arm