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Italy, Egypt To Sign Mega Arms Deal Includes 24 Eurofighters, 24 M346 Trainers and 6 Frigates

Here's the first MEKO A200 coming out of its assembly hanger a few days or a week ago probably to finish the mast and radar towers that obviously can't be craned into the hanger. All the old US frigates currently operating in the EN will be replaced by all of these newer and much more lethal and capable ships. It's called modernization, not window shopping, fellas.

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Not sure if 3 will be built in Germany and the 4th and last one under this contract will be built at the Alexandria ship yard or the other way around.
 
Why egypt is going towards many type but similar capability platforms , doesn't it will bring logistic issues ?

Egypt is already using rafale (so why not more rafale instead of EFT )
For a Military that has increased its recruitment activity drastically it won’t be a problem. Egypt is said to have had problems with acquiring Meteors and other weapons (as well as quantities) from France and it could serve as a lobbying factor in Italy for various reasons one can imagine.
 
Ah come on, stop with the Gulf Money baloney. Where's the 'dislike' button? :D Just kidding.

That rumor is so old and I really think your anti-Egyptian sentiment clouds your sense of objectivity. The reason I say that is not to insult you, honestly, constructive criticism is always a good thing. The reason I said the part about the objectivity is that you're not looking deep enough (and you don't really need to spend a lot of time researching this stuff, even @The SC mentioned and linked several sources that all the contracts were financed through banking within the nations these deals have been made. Especially France & Russia approved huge amounts of financing terms which are loans from the main banks.

A lot of people who not necessarily despise Egypt but see all this incredible and super fast modernization automatically assume that the Gulf nations are paying for all this. Let me tell you, the UAE and especially Saudi Arabia would NEVER allow any money they offer to go towards weaponry purchasing like this. This has been established way back in 2013 because their primary outlook at Egypt is the Islamic way. This might be tough for some to understand, but for Muslims this is a very well known effort to help another Muslim in need and those funds were to shore up partial foreign :D reserves, to act as collateral for IMF loans and to also improve infrastructure. Those are the fields that any of the gulf money that was given is for, not purchasing weapons!



Waz, Egypt has not spent a penny on any true modernization for well over 35 years. We all know the common and weird hatred of Sisi, but he is a genius and he has modernized the entire armed forces from top and working his way to the bottom. What people are used to seeing is a "Mubarak" Egypt and so when they see this type of ultra modernization, it's automatic for them to think that they know better than these military men whom many of them actually have field experience and understand the things that ordinary people would never know anything about.

Sisi and Generals sat down in several meetings and planned out a major strategy for a "rapid" modernization. The plan was also to slowly move away from total US dependency and actually rebuild the entire military. Sisi is not some shmuck like many here label him. He was the former Director of Military Intelligence and former Minister of Defense and the General of the Egyptian armed forces.

There is so much background info that people need to understand about what is happening so it makes more sense. So when they spent quite some time planning this modernization and factoring all the counter-effects of each item, they had additional plans to cover. So plan A doesn't work, there is a plan B and I'm mentioning this to you because that factor has A LOT to do with this deal, here.

The French were eager to sell us the original 24 Rafales and also offered the option for 12 more. As you probably know, an option is pretty much a done deal. So if you sign and give me an option to purchase something within a certain times frame and I decide to buy it, you are officially obligated to sell it. So when the EAF bought the 24 Rafales instead of the maximum Dassault can offer in a single order which is 36, they did that because it's obviously a very advanced aircraft and they also bought 2 simulators and built a special base just for them where they have maintenance hanger and hardened shelters etc. It was amazing how quickly the EAF was able to absorb the Rafale and even use them for several bombing missions in Libya. Now they went back to exercise the option AND include and additional 24 on top and France along with Dassault have been very difficult to deal with and won't even show good faith on the 12 option. A large part of this carefully planned modernization plan was not to rely on one source and never be in the weaker position of negotiating. THAT is where this deal comes in. If the Typhoon does become part of this order, I can almost guarantee you that it will become the dominant Euro-canard aircraft in the inventory as the years go by and the Rafale will be brushed off. You see, people think this is window shopping without trying to learn basic details.

Now as far as the other items, have you seem the 2 Berghamini FREMMs that just arrived and the details of their capabilities such as having the ability to switch from AESA to PESA with the push of a button if needed? The SC and I actually counted at least 12 VLS for Aster 15 or 30 along with a forward compartment that is currently vacant becasue it's used for land attack missiles and that is against ITAR. But the French closed that off completely IIRC which sucks, honeslty. At least our Italian friends left it and said "hey, we have nothing to do with it, it's in your hands"! lol That is the type of friendship we need to make deals with not the French who complain and want top dollar and now want to sell Egypt 12 Scorpene DEEP SEA submarines. This is HUGE (but required in another thread altogether loool.) But the Berghamini to me is something that is better than the French ASW FREMM we purchased and the navy has been so happy with it since it tested it that making the decision to possibly order 6 more was easy.

So why all these frigates and OPVs which are actually just smaller corvettes. Because Egypt has not only a huge coastline to protect, but many vital sea assets they need to protect, mainly the richest gas fields in the Mediterranean. Nothing wrong and A LOT more right to purchase 20 of these vessels.

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Berghamini FREMM frigates which will dominate the Egyptian Navy for decades to come and frigates are not really useful in 2 or 3. If naval understanding is prevalent, one would realize that you need these in large numbers. Turkey has 12 Mekos IIRC I might be mistaken on that but why isn't any one biatching about them buying so many? lol. THAT, my friend, is the center of this anti Egyptian sentiment.

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The Typhoon we all know will not be an issue whatsoever and will actually compliment the Rafales and dominate them being the Tranch 4 model which is the latest with the CAPTOR-E radar and fully integrated for GBUs (which we have decades of supplies of those bombs) but especially the Italians will guarantee that this order is finalized only with the Meteor missile accompanying the big ticket items and any country that possesses the EFT & Rafale with the Meteor missile will be very difficult to beat.
Is the strategy showing a bit, bro? No window shopping silliness of course that's been thrown out the window.

And of course, we're not even talking about the 30 Su-35SE Egypt bought a year and a half ago or something like that. During the planning session and preparations between Sisi and all the top generals and commanders deciding on these purchases, the MiG-21MFs, F-7 AIRGUARDs and almost all Mirage V's were to be retired immediately to be replaced by these new figthers that will need new, advanced trainers also since all the cockpit fussion and layout and new IA features are not available in the old traners such as the L-59E and I hate to say this because this was a big was Pakistan and Egypt were connected and that is the K-8 trainers. Those will not work anymore for academy graduate pilots, hence the 24 M-346 trainer jets. Makes complete sense, doesn't it?

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Sorry for the long post and I really did try to keep it as short as possible but hopefully that helped clear up the unfortunate misunderstanding about the window shopping (not by you) and see it from the real point of view.

Mass modernisation I understand. How comes you bought so much from the French?
 
just checked Eygpt financial position
Bare facts
100 million population
Gdp per capita over $3000 dollars
GDP over $300 billion
Forex $42billion
Military budget $11.5 billion a year

To be signing a $12 billion deal with france is a massive deal for country with fairly modest resouces

But well done both the Euro fighter and french frigates are world class
 
Time to bring those Mummies back to life, they need to take command of Paroh State and its Army. All hail Set, All hail Ra , All hail Horus...
 
Mass modernisation I understand. How comes you bought so much from the French?

The Rafale was our primary goal as well as the FREMM and the Gowind Corvettes for the navy. Then there were back-channel negotiations with the Russians because we were interested in the MiG-35 ending up with a very slightly less capable one in the MiG-29M/M2 because the AESA radar wasn't ready as well as a built in target designator was not yet installed and had to be used as a pod which they included in the T-220 pod. Those were the only two items that made the difference from a MiG-35 to what they called a MiG-29M/M2. So it's relatively close to the MiG-35 and they probably discussed future purchases like we're seeing now with the Su-35SE as well as I'm sure the sun will rise tomorrow, they ex[pressed to the Russians that they will be interested in the Su-57 when it's ready.

So the Russians with the sanctions put on them after they ordered the two Mistrals helicopter carriers from France and paid for them, France couldn't deliver them because of those sanction. So the EGY forces figured if they were going to buy 46 KA-52 attack helicopters from Russia, they might as well end up with the naval version as well and if they take the Mistrals off the Russian/French's hands, the Russians promised great deals on the aircraft including the financing. And so that is basically why we bought the 24 Rafaes and all associated equipment and armament and simulators, the FREMM which the Egyptian Navy was going to test and see if they liked it in Egyptian waters AND, we were very interested in some type of transfer of technology to make the deal work on the 4 Gowind corvettes we bought 4 of which 3 I believe were built in Alexandria. I hope that answers your question?

Now they've clearly expressed super content with the Rafales that we wanted to exercise that option for 12 more to create 3 squadrons and there were published rumors that Egypt asked for 24-36 more on top of those 12 but I do believe the Israelis are putting a lot of pressure on the French (which I don't understand how they can leverage that kind of pressure) and so the French have made the additional Ralale deal very difficult to reach and are pushing the scorpenes which the EN is in fact interested in them. But I believe that if and when this Italian mega deal does get signed, the Rafales will be secondary to the Typhoon as we mover forward especially if the Meteor missiles are included which I;m sure the Israelis are not happy about at all. But they have a slew of other things to worry about lol like the two major 1,1000 km range radars Egypt bought and set up and of course the Su-35SE.
 
Not being serious, but if Egyptian generals run businesses like Pakistani generals, then why don't Pakistani generals sign deals like this? Is it because FATF stops us from getting 3rd party banks to guarantee our deals?
 
just checked Eygpt financial position
Bare facts
100 million population
Gdp per capita over $3000 dollars
GDP over $300 billion
Forex $42billion
Military budget $11.5 billion a year

To be signing a $12 billion deal with france is a massive deal for country with fairly modest resouces

But well done both the Euro fighter and french frigates are world class

The Israelis just paid Egypt $15 billion to liquify their gas extractions since we are the only country in the eastern Mediterranean Sea which has not on one plant for gas liquefication, but 2. Our gas export will shoot through the roof in short time and the Italians actually discovered a significant oil reserve in Egypt's western desert. Also, keep in mind, a figure of a military budget is just a standard pulled from many years of averages and is in no way indicative of what is actually really being spent. Also the terms of these contracts are extended trough many years to facilitate the payments. If there was any issue whatsoever, the IMF would immediately refuse to provide the requested loans. Once the world found out that Egypt has the largest gas field in the Mediterranean and the speed at which it was able to drill and extract and become completely self sufficient bought the country a lot of collateral. Doesn't mean the numbers you posted don't figure into the equation, they become part of the negotiations.
Not being serious, but if Egyptian generals run businesses like Pakistani generals, then why don't Pakistani generals sign deals like this? Is it because FATF stops us from getting 3rd party banks to guarantee our deals?

The problem is quite obvious. Let's face it, Turkey is the one causing all this rift between our great nations that can you only imagine how powerful a Pakistani/Egyptian alliance would be?

I say let's get together and figure out what resources Paksitan can bargain with but I do not think you have things worth the value of the immense gas fields we have to use as collateral, just being honest not trying to degrade or insult. But your COS was in Egypt I think twice in that last year or so. Maybe we'll see improvements but that Turkey is very sneaking publishing untruths about rapprochements with Egypt and in reality, tha will only worsen the situation.
 
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Hilarious revisionist nonsense

Why do you allow this colonial entity to exist if its so weak....

Whose interest is served by the occupation of arab land?


Why would they bother threatening arab countries... every one has been pacified...its leaders bar none exist only with the zionist entities permission. If it wanted to anex cairo, dubai or Riyadh....they would facilitate it without hesitation....

I knew you were gonna say this but this only proves my point. You don't know what you are talking about and you don't understand how all of this in this world hang together.

Why can't China take Taiwan ask yourself this question? It can certainly take it militarily but it will be a miscalculation perhaps other entitiies and many of them could engage China hence why China is waiting for the opportunity where it knows nothing of these who stand behind Taiwan can take on it hence Taiwan will fall in that manner.

Israel situation is even worse then Taiwan. Anyone who wants Israel has to be able to go thru NATO and Israel was never the deterence. Why do you think the allies pulled out in only 6 days back then in the 70s? Because they got some serious threats coming from the west because the war had just began nobody pulls out of a war that quick.

Someone who has a functioning brain would know where the main deterence lays would work to fix that instaed which is build coalition and strengthen yourself enough to take out NATO then they won't be a deterence Israel won't stand a day after that. Have you heard of Armegeddon it sounds like someone had already figured it out in the future and actully completed it. You hear about large armies coming to it's rescue and they will definitely do that you gotta count on them from day 1 if you don't you have miscalculated here.

The main thing here is to make a much large coalition obsolote and fruitless against you with your own coalition. Then Israel is Completely yours on a silver plate. Israel didn't appear there by itself it was the crusaders who planted them there and guarded them ever since and you gotta take it back from the crusaders. Israel itself is a distraction and a formalitiy but you gotta look at what lays beyond it that is the main root that needs to be fixed it was never Israel herself which is only a distraction.
 
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I knew you were gonna say this but this only proves. There is not much home up there in your head.

Why can't China take Taiwan ask yourself this question? It can certainly take it militarily but it will be a miscalculation perhaps other entitiies and many of them could engage China hence why China is waiting for the opportunity where it knows nothing of these who stand behind Taiwan can take on it hence Taiwan will fall in that manner.

Israel situation is even worse then Taiwan. Anyone who wants Israel has to be able to go thru NATO and Israel was never the deterence. Why do you think the allies pulled out in only 6 days back then in the 70s? Because they got some serious threats coming from the west because the war had just began nobody pulls out of a war that quick.

Someone who has a functioning brain would know where the main deterence lays would work to fix that instaed which is build coalition and strengthen yourself enough to take out NATO then they won't be a deterence Israel won't stand a day after that. Have you heard of Armegeddon it sounds like someone had already figured it out in the future and actully completed it. You hear about large armies coming to it's rescue and they will definitely do that you gotta count on them from day 1 if you don't you have miscalculated here.

The main thing here is to make a much large coalition obsolote and fruitless against you with your own coalition. Then Israel is Completely yours on a silver plate. Israel didn't appear there by itself it was the crusaders who planted them there and guarded them ever since and you gotta take it back from the crusaders. Israel itself is a distraction and a formalitiy but you gotta look at what lays beyond it that is the main root that needs to be fixed it was never Israel herself which is only a distraction.

LOL... :girl_wacko:

You gonna defeat the crusaders by buying weapons from them.....cool story bro....

Israel is not taiwan, its a nuclear power that controls the arabs.....

Your imagination is certainly impressive if you equate yourself to China.
 
LOL... :girl_wacko:

You gonna defeat the crusaders by buying weapons from them.....cool story bro....

I never said that.. That is your assumption. But I told you only where the root of the problem lays and it will eventually be fixed from there. No their is no use for their weapons. It doesn't seem like such an event would happen anyways now but 20-30 years done the line someone will eventually take it. The crusaders won't be that invincible against an equally large coalition enforcing a prophecy to come about.

It controls nothing more then a tiny strip it is limited there and doens't even control all of it's claimed territory like East Jerusalem, Gaza etc etc. Can't project itself otuside of it. Israel is the least someone should be worried about.

Israel herself alone is an obsolote entity nukes won't be a deterence here due to the nearness and how close the battle would be fought.
 
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I never said that.. That is your assumption. But I told you only where the root of the problem lays and it will eventually be fixed from there. No their is no use for their weapons. It doesn't seem like such an event would happen anyways now but 20-30 years done the line someone will eventually take it. The crusaders won't be that invincible against an equally large coalition enforcing a prophecy to come about.

It controls nothing more then a tiny strip it is limited there and doens't even control all of it's claimed territory like East Jerusalem, Gaza etc etc. Can't project itself otuside of it. Israel is the least someone should be worried about.

Israel herself alone is an obsolote entity nukes won't be a deterence here due to the nearness and how close the battle would be fought.

You are smoking some powerful stuff.... please share your dealers details.
 
You are smoking some powerful stuff.... please share your dealers details.

You are actully the one on something strong...

8 million tiny strip
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The world doesn't function like a comicbook story.. I have also seen some other misplaced thoughts and super random mentioning of them
 
This is all KSA and UAE funding - they are completely bankrupt. Just window shopping spree because some gulf player is supporting someone's purse.

I don't think this is all KSA or UAE funding but Egypt's economy is doing great. It magically just boosted
 

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