Italy delivering surplus self-propelled howitzers to Pakistan Army

[Signalian]

Why not? Isn't it in the light weight category as m777?

PA requirements keep changing. Once there was a requirement of hundreds of wheeled SPGs. Some were evaluated but PA has inducted M-109 only

 

[Signalian]

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For the period of 2019-2021, Italy has put further 123 surplus M-109L on offer (source: official report page-25)

Tell this to Gryphon [emoji1]

He will be so happy and start updating records straightaway [emoji41]

 

[Suff Shikan]

in which city and and in which area .... ???

Karachi, Drig Road... I cropped the image to hide further details. I just found out they are gone now.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

PA requirements keep changing. Once there was a requirement of hundreds of wheeled SPGs. Some were evaluated but PA has inducted M-109 only

Well that maybe fine, but do you think it is comparable to m777 in terms of performance (specs, quality, reliability etc.)?
How do you rate various chinese artillery pieces? In my opinion no one can beat the chinese favorable financial assistance packages and prospects of local production in case of Pakistan - so if they are even barely as good as other American/western options then I don't understand why PA is shying from ordering them in mass? In times of war as well the reliable logistic supply from China is another plus.

 

[MystryMan]

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For the period of 2019-2021, Italy has put further 123 surplus M-109L on offer (source: official report page-25)

I see 400 M113 and PUMA also

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

in which city and and in which area .... ???

They were loaded on a train. If they were freshly imported then they must be going to some workshop for inspection.

 

[HRK]

They were loaded on a train. If they were freshly imported then they must be going to some workshop for inspection.

or may be getting transferred from COD Karachi to some other part in the country ....

If they were freshly imported

last import was reported in January this year

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I see 400 M113 and PUMA also

Pakistan Army might not go for both these as Viper is under consideration. Its supposed to be better than M-113. PUMA 4x4 and 6x6 are not in use with PA hence highly unlikely they would be purchased.

 

[Signalian]

Well that maybe fine, but do you think it is comparable to m777 in terms of performance (specs, quality, reliability etc.)?
How do you rate various chinese artillery pieces? In my opinion no one can beat the chinese favorable financial assistance packages and prospects of local production in case of Pakistan - so if they are even barely as good as other American/western options then I don't understand why PA is shying from ordering them in mass? In times of war as well the reliable logistic supply from China is another plus.

Many years back, PA wanted to modernise all artillery to 155 mm standard.Then PA drifted towards wheeled artillery. PA wanted to go for TOT of Panter 155mm but stalled again.
PA should have started from an in-house production of 105mm, but never happened. Now there are 105mm, 122mm, 130mm,155mm, 203mm. First a standard has to be chosen and PA needs to stick to it.

Infact in case of artillery, PA started acquiring MLRS and HATF series missiles. All these projects cannot go side by side. 155mm packs a punch which 105mm does not, so any type of 155mm should be locally produced. But in reality due to M-109's making their way into PA, the towed gun regiments are shifted to Infantry formations. So in either case (towed or SP) the number of overall artillery guns are increasing.

M-777 is an excellent weapon, can be lifted by heli. Which Heli in PA will lift M-777 or AH-4. IA has such helis (Mi-26 and CH-47).

 

[Inception-06]

Pakistan Army might not go for both these as Viper is under consideration. Its supposed to be better than M-113. PUMA 4x4 and 6x6 are not in use with PA hence highly unlikely they would be purchased.

Pakistan is buying all M-113 stocks from around the world, for spare parts, continuesly mechanisation of current mechanised Divisions. LAT and HAT, replacement for atrittion and may be mass conversation to VIPER. I think we have ca. 2500-3000 M-113 in service.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

approximately 500 Leopard 1A2 tanks that can be upgraded and Bell 412 and 212 are interesting.
PA might be interested in the Bell 412 and 212.

 

[Inception-06]

approximately 500 Leopard 1A2 tanks that can be upgraded and Bell 412 and 212 are interesting.
PA might be interested in the Bell 412 and 212.

Leopard 1is a excellent Tank, would suit perfect to replace all T-59 Tanks and shift the Type-59 to the eastern Border (FC).

 

[Signalian]

approximately 500 Leopard 1A2 tanks that can be upgraded and Bell 412 and 212 are interesting.
PA might be interested in the Bell 412 and 212.

Leopard 1is a excellent Tank, would suit perfect to replace all T-59 Tanks and shift the Type-59 to the eastern Border (FC).

I can't believe you guys just said that.

 

[Inception-06]

I can't believe you guys just said that.

Haha why ? It's just a wish.

 

[MystryMan]

Pakistan Army might not go for both these as Viper is under consideration. Its supposed to be better than M-113. PUMA 4x4 and 6x6 are not in use with PA hence highly unlikely they would be purchased.

some PUMAS were bought last year may be for FC.