Italy bans halal slaughter

[Divergent]

Posters here must understand that when you start using with abandon descriptors like 'Muslim' you are actually supporting and enabling the Islamists radicals. The first step to their vision is seeing the world through just few fath categories - Christian, Muslim, Hindoo, Athiest etc

This unravels the very secular narrative you guys defend. Italy just becomes 'Christian' country like Ethopia or Congo. I would ask @Tiberius would he prefer Christian migrants from Kongo but exclude Muslim migrants from Bosnia? I know you would prefer non but if there was a binary choice which one would you go for?

The Chinese are not going after Muslims. Far from it. They are going after extremist Uighurs. Something that Turkey has and will do [examples Kurds] or others who use religion as a political tool.

@padamchen China and India will not converge. Two big lads means alpha male will try to be numero uno. Rivalry between both is inevitable. India being as large but profoundly weaker will rely on the US crutch and you can see that already panning out.

Which is why I keep saying the Jews in Europe are the ultimate shield for Pakistani's etc. Without them another SS type force would clear out the ghettos we have in UK within 48 hours.

Can you elaborate your last paragraph please. Not quite sure what you mean by that.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Can you elaborate your last paragraph please. Not quite sure what you mean by that.

If you mean this -

Which is why I keep saying the Jews in Europe are the ultimate shield for Pakistani's etc. Without them another SS type force would clear out the ghettos we have in UK within 48 hours.

Okay the ethnic minorities in UK are like algae growing on the side of building. They are entirely dependent on the majority. The most dislike group is Muslims in UK for variety of reasons as you will know already. The Pakistani community has conspiciously sold itself as the face of the 'Muslims'. Mix both and you have probably the most disliked community in UK. We are the favourite punching bag of the far right. Listen to BNP speaches or EDL.

If the far right gained traction and we have warning from history of 1930s Germany when far right did gain power the results would be disasterous for us. All the 'stans' we have in UK would be sealed off and people carted off to gas chambers to use the 1940s example. The Jews however occupy positions of power within the UK media, finance, politics and exert enormous influence. The Jews are natiral antidote to the far right and would never allow such groups to gain ground as after the far right has cleaned us out the next target would be the Jews.

That is what I mean't by shield !

 

[Englishman]

Western white people of course cuddle their animals to death whilst singing them lullabies.

You non-white non-western people will never reach our level of compassion.

 

[UKBengali]

Western white people of course cuddle their animals to death whilst singing them lullabies.

You non-white non-western people will never reach our level of compassion.

Dude, you a moron?

 

[Englishman]

Dude, you a moron?

Dude. U dense?

 

[UKBengali]

Dude. U dense?

Dude, you thick?

 

[Divergent]

If you mean this -

Okay the ethnic minorities in UK are like algae growing on the side of building. They are entirely dependent on the majority. The most dislike group is Muslims in UK for variety of reasons as you will know already. The Pakistani community has conspiciously sold itself as the face of the 'Muslims'. Mix both and you have probably the most disliked community in UK. We are the favourite punching bag of the far right. Listen to BNP speaches or EDL.

If the far right gained traction and we have warning from history of 1930s Germany when far right did gain power the results would be disasterous for us. All the 'stans' we have in UK would be sealed off and people carted off to gas chambers to use the 1940s example. The Jews however occupy positions of power within the UK media, finance, politics and exert enormous influence. The Jews are natiral antidote to the far right and would never allow such groups to gain ground as after the far right has cleaned us out the next target would be the Jews.

That is what I mean't by shield !

The Jews and the Muslims work perfectly fine based on humanity and civil grounds However, carry different political views and though they may be influential it is not ethical. For e.g. some propagandist have accused Jeremy Corbyn of anti-semitism due to his strong stance and opposition of Israel’s policy especially regarding Palestine, this is to jeopardise his movement. Yet, all his life he has stood up for diversity and equality. The problem is that despite having a body, what needs to be ensured is establishing contact with elements further up the hierarchy.

 

[Cybernetics]

This isn't about animal cruelty or money, both are negotiable in the eyes of Italian nationalists. This is about perceived control of the country and cultural identity.

Talk of animal cruelty is just a soft power approach to apply anesthesia to the masses. It soothes and guides the conversation and doesn't get to the core of the issue. As @Tiberius previously voiced, he is willing to take a 50% hit to the economy to achieve his political aims, so a hit to the pockets is tolerable to a certain extent.

Italy and Greece are ancient European civilizations, they have pride in that and it manifests in their world view. Halal concept is seen by Italian nationalists as non-Italian and representing a foreign and hostile civilization (there can be a historical lens to this). Concurrently, Italy is facing economic and migrant issues. This converges into creating an "us vs them" mentality and creates a more singular "them" category. All these issues makes some Italians feel they are losing control of their nation and cultural identity that they are so proud of, thus fueling the current right wing political movements as a political push back.

I think this is not so much about the way animals are killed in itself but the perceived branding behind it.

 

[HannibalBarca]

This isn't about animal cruelty or money, both are negotiable in the eyes of Italian nationalists. This is about perceived control of the country and cultural identity.

Talk of animal cruelty is just a soft power approach to apply anesthesia to the masses. It soothes and guides the conversation and doesn't get to the core of the issue. As @Tiberius previously voiced, he is willing to take a 50% hit to the economy to achieve his political aims, so a hit to the pockets is tolerable to a certain extent.

Italy and Greece are ancient European civilizations, they have pride in that and it manifests in their world view. Halal concept is seen by Italian nationalists as non-Italian and representing a foreign and hostile civilization (there can be a historical lens to this). Concurrently, Italy is facing economic and migrant issues. This converges into creating an "us vs them" mentality and creates a more singular "them" category. All these issues makes some Italians feel they are losing control of their nation and cultural identity that they are so proud of, thus fueling the current right wing political movements as a political push back.

I don't think this is not so much about the way animals are killed in itself but the perceived branding behind it.

With those (anti-Halal) I spoke with on this subject clearly understand the meaning behind it... They always answer that it has nothing to do with the animal "feeling"... but the signification that hold behind it. Me vs You.

We are in a time where everyone try to search for a way to exist in an Identity... in a never ending moving society... And one of the consequences is to fight/push whatever doesn't fit your own belief...whatever the cost behind it, in the worse selfish manner for those around you and the community...

"Let me exist at all cost"...

 

[nahtanbob]

Their country, their choice. But don't claim to be secular, inclusive, and liberal.

inclusive does not mean tolerating everything under the sun

 

[Hassan Guy]

When you should be backing your brothers in this discriminatory act against our people, but you know you already eat non-halal meat a lot

 

[Tiberius]

Italy's GDP is 1.85 trillion and has been in decline since 2008 where it has shaved off half a trillion from the GDP since then.

Italy is a G7 nation and one of the richest nations on this planet.

Simple fact. I find it funny when people who come from countries that are absolute 3rd world bring up economic problems of a 1st world nation.

Sorry buddy but it has reached it's limit and can't move further. It's economic growth rate shows it. This situation will lead it to decline against dynamic and growing economies. Next couple decades we will be discussing totally different things from today. Enjoy today, you have no tomorrow.

And? growth must be limited. We only have one planet. What do you want? Unlimited growth? Thats the ideology of the cancer cell.

Also funny coming from a guy who has no tomorrow and no today. Your country is a gargantuan recession, its economy crumbling and falling apart with inflation rates of 25% ad a mad dictator who makes things worse each day.

In next decades we will indeed tlk about different things. Globalisation ends at the moment and we will see a decline in all countries and a focos on inside.

What is the probability that this proposal would in fact become a law?

Since we are the government, the probability is 100%. They will sign it at 15th November.

You stupid dude?

Milan has just 2 million people whole Turkey's GDP is around 800 billion US dollars - more than 2 trillion US dollars at PPP which is a better measure of living standards.

Need to study Maths a bit more.

Wrong again, but what do i expect.

GDP of Turkey is 851 billion $

https://tradingeconomics.com/turkey/gdp

GDP of the city of Milano alone is 650 billion €. Which means the city of Milano has 2/3 of the turkish GDP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Milan

The City of Milan is the capital of the Lombardy Region in Northern Italy. Milan and Lombardy have a 2017 GDP of €400 billion ($493 billion) and €650 billion ($801 billion) respectively. On these accounts, the City of Milan is richer than the U.S. state of Massachusetts and Milan's Lombardy region is slightly wealthier than the world's 19th biggest economy, Switzerland.[1] It was Europe's most expensive city in 2015 and 2016.[2] Milan is the world's 11th most expensive city for expatriate employees[3] and its influence in fashion, commerce, business, banking, design, trade and industry makes it an Alpha world city[4] .Milan has surpassed Berlin in economy in 2014, which since then has made it the richest city among the Four Motors for Europe. It is a member of the Blue Banana, the economic leaders of Europe. The city's hinterland is Italy's largest industrial area and the FieraMilano fair is also considered the largest in Europe. Milan also has Italy's highest GDP (per capita), about €40,137 (US$69,130), which is Europe's 2nd highest after Zurich, Switzerland.[5]


So what now @UKBengali shocked that the city of Milano pushs entire Turkey down the cliff? Next time you should check facts before insult someone.


But would like to hear your opinion, how you explain that a 2 million people city has an GDP similar to a nation of Turkey?

 

[vostok]

Okay the ethnic minorities in UK are like algae growing on the side of building. They are entirely dependent on the majority. The most dislike group is Muslims in UK for variety of reasons as you will know already. The Pakistani community has conspiciously sold itself as the face of the 'Muslims'. Mix both and you have probably the most disliked community in UK. We are the favourite punching bag of the far right. Listen to BNP speaches or EDL.

If the far right gained traction and we have warning from history of 1930s Germany when far right did gain power the results would be disasterous for us. All the 'stans' we have in UK would be sealed off and people carted off to gas chambers to use the 1940s example. The Jews however occupy positions of power within the UK media, finance, politics and exert enormous influence. The Jews are natiral antidote to the far right and would never allow such groups to gain ground as after the far right has cleaned us out the next target would be the Jews.

That is what I mean't by shield !

There was an anecdote. Old wise Armenian dying. All his relatives stand near bedrooom. Wiseman say:
- Armenians, take care of Jews.
- But why?
- Because when they destroy Jews they will come for us.

 

[Tiberius]

If you mean this -

Okay the ethnic minorities in UK are like algae growing on the side of building. They are entirely dependent on the majority. The most dislike group is Muslims in UK for variety of reasons as you will know already. The Pakistani community has conspiciously sold itself as the face of the 'Muslims'. Mix both and you have probably the most disliked community in UK. We are the favourite punching bag of the far right. Listen to BNP speaches or EDL.

If the far right gained traction and we have warning from history of 1930s Germany when far right did gain power the results would be disasterous for us. All the 'stans' we have in UK would be sealed off and people carted off to gas chambers to use the 1940s example. The Jews however occupy positions of power within the UK media, finance, politics and exert enormous influence. The Jews are natiral antidote to the far right and would never allow such groups to gain ground as after the far right has cleaned us out the next target would be the Jews.

That is what I mean't by shield !

This ended years ago. Media have no power anymore. People dont take it serious. Call it fake news. Jews could not prevent Trump. Could not prevent Orban, Salvini.

In Italy the jews switched sides and go far right as well. Same in Germany where Jews now even join far right AfD party.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There was an anecdote. Old wise Armenian dying. All his relatives stand near bedrooom. Wiseman say:
- Armenians, take care of Jews.
- But why?
- Because when they destroy Jews they will come for us.

Yes, very true. That is a spin on -

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" ~ Edmund Burke

In Italy the jews switched sides and go far right as well. Same in Germany where Jews now even join far right AfD party.

I have seen Indians join EDL. A few trees does not make the forest.

The reality is we have something larger, far larger then any state that has metamorphosed over time into a supra-national entity and this is the western capitalist order primarily hinged on two poles - New York and London. It has a very international outlook. No country can afford to go against it without suffering massively. Iran and Russia are two examples that refuse to comply and you see the result. Trump is merely a figurehead of this entity. I saw this today in the morning - is the model of the far right. Cavorting with a rapper in White House?

And frankly if you really wanted to protect Italy you should look at your history. The Roman Empire's southern boundary was provided by Marocco, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia and Egypt and not the Mediteranean Sea. The Sahara was the divider. The Mediteranean was a connection to the region. I think you should know the etymology of Mediteranean. It means the middle and not the boundary. The more North Africa has been destablised the more trouble there has been.