ITALY APPROVED $762 M IN ARMS SALES TO PAKISTAN IN 2018

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

any news about when it is going to operational?

Specifications
Year: 2023
Status: In-Development
Manufacturer(s): Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) - Turkey / Sierra Nevada Corportation (SNC) - USA
Production: 0
Capabilities: Close-Air Support (CAS); Training;

Crew: 2
Length: 43.96 ft (13.4 m)
Width: 36.09 ft (11 m)

Power: 1 x Williams International FJ44-4M turbofan engines developing between 2,000 and 3,500lb of thrust each.

Speed: 920 mph (1,480 kph; 799 kts)

 

[farok84]

Expensive, more expensive in regard to new setup, new induction training, familiarity, infrastructure to support and above all, when there are couple of more countries involved in a project like EFT, one should expect lot of opposition in regard to sale of weapons to Pakistan. I don't French agreeing to release any offensive weapon with EFT to Pakistan especially since they are all in to please India and that's for money in fact.

EFT minus Meteor is not so plausible.

Question:
Does French have any bearing on Meteors or EFT sales? The parent companies (Airbus, BAE, & Leonardo) of both (MBDA and Eurofighter GmBH) are independent of French.The opposition most likely will be from Germans (with or without India's whining).

 

[ziaulislam]

Question:
Does French have any bearing on Meteors or EFT sales? The parent companies (Airbus, BAE, & Leonardo) of both (MBDA and Eurofighter GmBH) are independent of French.The opposition most likely will be from Germans (with or without India's whining).

i feel they will approve the sale with or without india whining..the biggest opposition will be from france but they dont have much say

 

[khanasifm]

Probably more choppers, maybe even AW139s for Navy as we will need a European helicopter to go with the MILGEM Frigates.

Agree more likely

 

[The Eagle]

Question:
Does French have any bearing on Meteors or EFT sales? The parent companies (Airbus, BAE, & Leonardo) of both (MBDA and Eurofighter GmBH) are independent of French.The opposition most likely will be from Germans (with or without India's whining).

There is a saying that not every party apparently is in agreement to sell offensive weapons to us. The percentage share of the programme allocated to each partner nation has changed several times over the years. Germany's decision to reduce its intended acquisition resulted in the UK taking 5% of the programme from Germany, giving the UK 39.6% and Germany 16%. France is funding 12.4%, Italy 12%, and Sweden and Spain 10% each.

 

[cabatli_53]

Hurjet with a Russian engine and all the Turkish gadgets (AESA, EW suits, sensors infused composite body, BVR/WVR missiles etc.) may come handy...

More powerful European engine is selected for HürJet aircraft bro. EJ-200 with 20,000lb thrust will make Hürjet one of the most powerful aircraft in its league. Turkish Aerospace Industry is converting Hürjet into a multi-role light fighter which is going to be a more/less competitor of SAAB Gripen. I believe The advanced trainer character of Hürjet will be secondary role of this fighter when Armed variant is fully inducted into Air Forces.

 

[farok84]

There is a saying that not every party apparently is in agreement to sell offensive weapons to us. The percentage share of the programme allocated to each partner nation has changed several times over the years. Germany's decision to reduce its intended acquisition resulted in the UK taking 5% of the programme from Germany, giving the UK 39.6% and Germany 16%. France is funding 12.4%, Italy 12%, and Sweden and Spain 10% each.

Thanks for the reply.

So simply put any European offensive system or subsystem having French influence is off tables for Pakistan. How much of Meteor sub systems are French made, and can't be sourced from other partners?

 

[Vapnope]

So simply put any European offensive system or subsystem having French influence is off tables for Pakistan. How much of Meteor sub systems are French made, and can't be sourced from other partners?

I think European or American A2A missiles are off the table now. We will have to look at Turkey, China and South Africa only.

 

[denel]

If am not wrong, it was considered but no future talks .
https://quwa.org/2018/01/15/why-pakistan-is-unlikely-to-procure-a-lead-in-fighter-trainer-lift/

Italy has a lot more surplus artillery up for sale, time to buy more.

I concur.
I would just stay away from italian vehicles; just nothing but problems on the field.

 

[waz]

Expensive, more expensive in regard to new setup, new induction training, familiarity, infrastructure to support and above all, when there are couple of more countries involved in a project like EFT, one should expect lot of opposition in regard to sale of weapons to Pakistan. I don't French agreeing to release any offensive weapon with EFT to Pakistan especially since they are all in to please India and that's for money in fact.

EFT minus Meteor is not so plausible.

The British are the ones who offered the Typhoon to Pakistan and still WOULD if the funds permit bro. The jet isn't much different to top of the line jets flown by the PAF e.g. Block 52. The UK has the main say in the project and the other countries wouldn't give a hoot Italy and Spain have great defence relations with Pakistan, and you have Germany, and they won't say much either, remember they offered the U-214, but funds didn't permit.
The French will bite the bullet when it comes to offensive weapons to Pakistan as both the SCALP and Meteor are cross European initiatives, it is not a French weapon and with BAE being so essential to the process that any fallout will mean the end of these projects. All firms within MBDA have intellectual property and right over weapons designed, and can sell without consent from partners on platforms they also have on the world market e.g. Typhoon. Otherwise the French would have objected the Typhoon and Rafale having the same weapons as they are direct rivals.
The jet has been evaluated by the PAF and flown by several air chief marshals and would be the perfect step had funds been there. However it is an expensive plan, the funds are not there. There are credit facilities available but again it's just a pipe dream.

 

[The Eagle]

Thanks for the reply.

So simply put any European offensive system or subsystem having French influence is off tables for Pakistan. How much of Meteor sub systems are French made, and can't be sourced from other partners?

France has investment into Meteor Program and on other side, India is currently their main customer buying the same with Rafale so one can easily guess as per history & Indian track record as well as the norms of French saving customer that, we shouldn't be expecting that weapon to be released until & unless, EU/other partners in program putting extra efforts. However, before going into such weaponry release/diplomatic success discussion; EFT itself will cost a lot & I don't know if funds can be spared as such except for out of the box idea for finance loan/credit.

The British are the ones who offered the Typhoon to Pakistan and still WOULD if the funds permit bro. The jet isn't much different to top of the line jets flown by the PAF e.g. Block 52. The UK has the main say in the project and the other countries wouldn't give a hoot Italy and Spain have great defence relations with Pakistan, and you have Germany, and they won't say much either, remember they offered the U-214, but funds didn't permit.
The French will bite the bullet when it comes to offensive weapons to Pakistan as both the SCALP and Meteor are cross European initiatives, it is not a French weapon and with BAE being so essential to the process that any fallout will mean the end of these projects. All firms within MBDA have intellectual property and right over weapons designed, and can sell without consent from partners on platforms they also have on the world market e.g. Typhoon. Otherwise the French would have objected the Typhoon and Rafale having the same weapons as they are direct rivals.
The jet has been evaluated by the PAF and flown by several air chief marshals and would be the perfect step had funds been there. However it is an expensive plan, the funds are not there. There are credit facilities available but again it's just a pipe dream.

Yes there was an offer and I can recall some interest lately though, can't pen down a lot on this. Finance is first hurdle and then the French (for the sake of argument) subject may come next to discuss or resolve. However, most of consortium such as MBDA etc can indeed somehow influence parties involved and I do agree that not just UK but we too have good relations with Italy in this regard along with Spain having no objection while Germany may hesitate a bit and France can be expected on top...... things may work once we have the pocket however, necessity is there as well as requirement per threat assessment. . . . Speaking of EFT class in Tranche-III, the jet has its own swag to deliver the punch but in the end Bro, finances are that we don't have much.

 

[waz]

Yes there was an offer and I can recall some interest lately though, can't pen down a lot on this. Finance is first hurdle and then the French (for the sake of argument) subject may come next to discuss or resolve. However, most of consortium such as MBDA etc can indeed somehow influence parties involved and I do agree that not just UK but we too have good relations with Italy in this regard along with Spain having no objection while Germany may hesitate a bit and France can be expected on top...... things may work once we have the pocket however, necessity is there as well as requirement per threat assessment. . . . Speaking of EFT class in Tranche-III, the jet has its own swag to deliver the punch but in the end Bro, finances are that we don't have much.

Still is bro IF the PAF were to have the finances it would be done quickly. God I wish the PAF have the finances now or somewhat soon to place an order. I'd love to see a Typhoon over the Arabian Sea, pun firmly attended.

 

[The Eagle]

Still is bro IF the PAF were to have the finances it would be done quickly. God I wish the PAF have the finances now or somewhat soon to place an order. I'd love to see a Typhoon over the Arabian Sea, pun firmly attended.

The much anticipated Thunder Block-III is all expected to serve in this domain of countering IAF new offensive but having said that, an addition of a bird having establishment psychological impact over adversary is indeed a sight awaited. However, be it EFT or Viper, I can see purpose being served and needful done accordingly.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

IMHO ... ASR has put a high bar on Project Azm, so it stands to reason what money they might have spent every year on buying and supporting a twin-engine fighter is now going into developing the FGFA. I really can't see how we'd develop a fighter (let alone FGFA) for anything less than $300-400 m a year.

 

[khanasifm]

Paa also picked up quite a few vcc-1 ie m-113 from Italy may be now vcc-2