Italy aims to expand G8 to include China, India, Brazil

[nitesh]

Who owns all these plants and where is the ultimate profit going? What percentage of India's one billion are these projects touching?

comeon are you trying to prove that you are a fool by typing these lines?
Think before typing.

By becoming integrated into the MNC controlled and dominated world trading economy India will become an important tool which will be under the yoke of the center of gravity of these MNCs. This industrialization is very selective and not much "trickle down" is being experienced by the vast majority of Indians at all which is why India has such terrible poverty compared to China which has virtually eradicated it.

How the poverty get eradicated? By increasing the job opportunity correct. And how you create job opportunity? I think this is sufficient.

Now this control mechanism can be used to turn India into whatever these MNCs want. A new "economic caste system" can be created---endless possibilities here. I am simply reporting what I observe while you Indians are just getting high on yourself, glossing over everything and ignoring all my points.

Please say specifically "what you observed". So that we also can get enlightened.

 

[maqsad]

Sigh....will you please read my post again.

Please?

Why do you love putting your foot in your mouth so much?

It is you who is putting your foot in your mouth.

There is nothing else to read. According to you something as meaningless as a passport determines who is Indian when I know that the founder of Tata is an Irani, he looks Irani and is confirmed to be of Irani origin. He is not a native Indian by any stretch of the imagination. Can you tell the difference between an Irani and an Indian by looking at the face or do you rely on a passport? Or are you one of the people who think that Iranis and Indians look identical?

 

[Flintlock]

It is you who is putting your foot in your mouth.

There is nothing else to read. According to you something as meaningless as a passport determines who is Indian when I know that the founder of Tata is an Irani, he looks Irani and is confirmed to be of Irani origin. He is not a native Indian by any stretch of the imagination. Can you tell the difference between an Irani and an Indian by looking at the face or do you rely on a passport? Or are you one of the people who think that Iranis and Indians look identical?

Erm....not passport, but citizenship.

Yeah, something as "meaningless" as citizenship decides whether a person is Indian or not.

As far as racial origins are concerned, Indians are a diverse people having diverse origins/ ancestry. I don't see what that has to do with anything.

 

[maqsad]

Erm....not passport, but citizenship.

Yeah, something as "meaningless" as citizenship decides whether a person is Indian or not.

You think by typing nonsense such as this you can prove your pointless point? A passport can only be given to a citizen so they are one and the same thing. Tata corp is own, run and controlled by Iranis who posess Indian citizenship. What is the percentage of Iranis in India? Maybe one in 100,000. Any idiot can figure out that it was not by chance or lottery that the Tatas are Irani.

As far as racial origins are concerned, Indians are a diverse people having diverse origins/ ancestry. I don't see what that has to do with anything.

LOL and let me guess, the percentage of Iranis in India is something like 50% right?

Yeah of course it must be, since half of "diverse" India consists of Iranis that explains how Tata is owned by them.

 

[Flintlock]

You think by typing nonsense such as this you can prove your pointless point? A passport can only be given to a citizen so they are one and the same thing. Tata corp is own, run and controlled by Iranis who posess Indian citizenship. What is the percentage of Iranis in India? Maybe one in 100,000. Any idiot can figure out that it was not by chance or lottery that the Tatas are Irani.

So what's your point? Indians of Non-Iranian origins are incapable of running a corporation?

Yeah of course it must be, since half of "diverse" India consists of Iranis that explains how Tata is owned by them.

Erm...as far as I know Tata's recruitment policies are not biased towards "Iranis".

 

[Vinod2070]

Why don't we ask Tata his nationality? What do you think his answer will be?

Why is he still an Irani 1000 years after the Parasis were persecuted out of their own country by the bigots and India was the place which embraced them and made them its own?

You have no idea how pathetic the arguments are sounding! Why do you beat trumpets for China. They are doing well for themselves and that's it.

You want to bask in the reflected glory? By becoming a half Chinese, just try that. Go and live in Beijing instead of the USA and see if they have you there.

As Muse posted in another thread on this forum, the Chinese are not very favorably inclined towards Islam.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...ghlight=Approval+rating+of+Muslims#post195102

Negative views of Muslims were also strong in several Asian countries: Half or more of the Japanese, Indians, Chinese and South Koreans surveyed said they had negative impressions of Muslims.

So it will be good for you to come to your senses.

I had no intention of pointing this obvious fact but your useless rantings and slavery left no other option. They are using you as you are using them.

I know you used to be on WAB and remember what OOE (A Chinese) says about the relationship: China will fight India to the last Pakistani.

 

[Neo]

I know you used to be on WAB and remember what OOE (A Chinese) says about the relationship: China will fight India to the last Pakistani.

Vinod,

Thats quite a pathetic attempt on your part to derail the thread. OoE is a respected and well informed defence expert but unlike Stuart he's not an authority....His quote referred to a Chinese General describing a Chinese design to counter India in the eighties which was never utilised and became outdated due changing geo-political climate in the region. Somehow Indians love to flood every international forum with it, but not this one.

India too is becoming more and more a proxy for US to counter China, you don't know what kind of worked our strategies and scenario's exists in Pentagon to use India as a forwarding base against China.

"USA will fight China to the last Indian" - Neo
Sep 29th, 2008

How about that?

 

[nitesh]

Vinod,
"USA will fight China to the last Indian" - Neo
Sep 29th, 2008

How about that?

He he he. Guys let us get back to topic.

 

[Vinod2070]

Vinod,

Thats quite a pathetic attempt on your part to derail the thread. OoE is a respected and well informed defence expert but unlike Stuart he's not an authority....His quote referred to a Chinese General describing a Chinese design to counter India in the eighties which was never utilised and became outdated due changing geo-political climate in the region. Somehow Indians love to flood every international forum with it, but not this one.

India too is becoming more and more a proxy for US to counter China, you don't know what kind of worked our strategies and scenario's exists in Pentagon to use India as a forwarding base against China.

"USA will fight China to the last Indian" - Neo
Sep 29th, 2008

How about that?

Neo, you would be justified to say that if I had compared Pakistan to USA and tried to find faults with Pakistani society, economy and what not.

May be what you are saying is correct. USA may want to have India as a bulwark against the domination of Asia by any one country and if our interests align on that, there is nothing wrong. As long as India keeps its interests supreme, working together on shared interests is not a problem.

What would be amusing is if Indians start to beat the trumpets of USA at every place forgetting our own identity and our own challenges. If I try to demean China by comparing it to USA, it would be as pathetic.

I am not saying that all Pakistanis do that but quite a lot do. Its good to be happy about the successes of your ally, but to trumpet them forgetting our own challenges seems a bit too much.

The reference to India's HDI, IQ, malnutrition et al and repeatedly comparing that to China was nothing short of pathetic. Both our countries are low on HDI. It gives me no pleasure to say that Pakistan is lower. China has done well but its still not where it could be and I am sure would be in the coming years. You know that takes away nothing from the country's other achievements.

P.S. This thread was never about India Vs. China. It was derailed repeatedly by getting that into the picture. Lets get back to the topic please.

 

[maqsad]

So what's your point? Indians of Non-Iranian origins are incapable of running a corporation?

Why are you typing such nonsense and ignoring the issue? Iranis represent about 1 in 100,000 Indians. Now anyone with some common sense will realize that since that when a 1 in 100,000 chance turns into reality something is incredibly wrong. This Irani had access to a control mechanism, a system of powerbroking and the advantage of favoritism along with many other factors that

Erm...as far as I know Tata's recruitment policies are not biased towards "Iranis".

How did Tata's recruitment policies become part of the debate. What's next, are you going to bring in Tata's dress code to derail the topic? The point is that Tata the billionaire is an Irani in India and he OWNS the largest industrial conglomerate in India.

People of British origin represented something like 1 in 100,000 of India's population until the 1940s. Their recruitment policies were not biased towards "Britishers" either because the overwhelming majority of all the assetts in India at the time. This started long long before the British military set foot in India too.

Do you need me to make a graph and a pie chart to illustrate this for you, do you still insist that everything is normal and as it should be?

 

[maqsad]

Why don't we ask Tata his nationality? What do you think his answer will be?

Hahahaha. Do you expect Tata to admit that he is Irani who comes from a family line that has refused to mix with any Indians for the last 1000 years while he exploits them to the full to hoard his billions? Well actually of course he does not have to admit it since everyone knows this is a fact but do you expect him to even want to answer a question like that?

Why is he still an Irani 1000 years after the Parasis were persecuted out of their own country by the bigots and India was the place which embraced them and made them its own?

You have no idea how pathetic the arguments are sounding!

The point is that Iranis are 1 in 100,000 Indians yet they are less than 1 in 10 billionaires in India and we know that statistically speaking that is a screaming oddity.

Either he won the billionaire lottery which we know doesn't exist or everything he ever did in his life and the last dozen generations has a lot to do with why he is ruling over an industrial empire unchallenged. Who can deny that he had access to social mechanisms, business contacts, commercial partnerships and of course megadoses of favoritism from many over the decades and generations. Who can deny that forces outside his own family had a hand in bringing him to sit on the perch he now occupies?

Your have no idea how pathetic your defence is sounding.

 

[Vinod2070]

Your have no idea how pathetic your defence is sounding.

I am not sitting here trying to defend anything. If some people want to behave like Ostriches with their heads in the sand, there is nothing one can do.

All the pathetic attempts to define what the G8 is, what it should do, why it is a conspiracy to include India in the group, China Vs. India comparison, Tata being an Irani (not a Parasi)!

What next? Even a child can tell where all this is coming from.

Why this compulsive need to try to obfuscate the resons for why the G-8 is doing what it is doing? Why not think of what positive you can do in the world instead of always hating and trying to denigrate something. Not that it matters to anyone. The world will move on with or without the haters....

I always wonder why many people who call themselves the true followers of God carry so much hatred in their hearts. Just look at that idiot Zaid Hamid, he can't speak two sentences without abusing someone. He actually calls people to make "Bad-dua" for others. Can he be a person of God? Just think about it.

 

[nitesh]

x posting from Zaheer's post:
France backs India's inclusion in G-8

 

[nitesh]

x posting from zaheer's post

France backs India's inclusion in G-8

 

[maqsad]

I am not sitting here trying to defend anything. If some people want to behave like Ostriches with their heads in the sand, there is nothing one can do.

All the pathetic attempts to define what the G8 is, what it should do, why it is a conspiracy to include India in the group, China Vs. India comparison, Tata being an Irani (not a Parasi)!

What next? Even a child can tell where all this is coming from.

Why this compulsive need to try to obfuscate the resons for why the G-8 is doing what it is doing? Why not think of what positive you can do in the world instead of always hating and trying to denigrate something. Not that it matters to anyone. The world will move on with or without the haters....

First of all there is little if any difference between a Parsi and an Irani. The word Parsi means Persian, even a kid knows that. You were the one that brought Tata up in a vain attempt to make it look like ordinary, regular Indians were actually in control of their economy. I proved they are not.

Then I brought in the topic of neo-colonialism again which is what my suspicion was right from the start about the G8 but neither you nor the other Bharatis could accept it. I provided proof after proof and historical examples but you just don't accept that as a possibility and then what's funny is you turn around and call me an Ostritch???

I always wonder why many people who call themselves the true followers of God carry so much hatred in their hearts. Just look at that idiot Zaid Hamid, he can't speak two sentences without abusing someone. He actually calls people to make "Bad-dua" for others. Can he be a person of God? Just think about it.

What on earth does Zaid Hamid have to do with any of this? See this is what I mean. You don't stick to the topic which is the behind the scenes maneuvaring and manipulation associated with the G8 and all of it's future implications but you go off on ridiculous tangents like Zaid Hamid. What does this thread have to do with God or Zaid Hamid?

I hope some pakistanis reading this thread get an idea of the dangers of globalization on third world economies. I hope Pakistanis reading this thread realize how easily economic sovereignty can be breached by people like Tata who take over and monopolize vast sectors of the economy in countries that they refuse to integrate into but just want to exploit.

Look at the denial in these Indians--I bet they had the same kind of Ostrich like mentality when the British East India company started taking them over!