It Is The WMD Moment Once Again For The USA:---

[famoj47521]

About Hadith, we were already told what’s coming when nations of the world will gather their forces to come at Muslims as if one is coming to the dinner table. This also shows no amount of appeasement or a$$ rimming would delay the inevitable. All we can do is prepare to the best of our abilities.

Exactly.

In the war against 80 flags, they would AGAIN ask for SOME PEOPLE TO BE HANDED OVER TO THEM. Muslims would off course refuse and so they (80 flags) will start the worst wars of all wars, which muslims would win, but muslims would lose 99% of the force.

Regardless, our disagreement in this topic I still respect your position and it’s good to see alternative options you present. You know I’m in total alignment with your Feb 27th option of knocking the other IAF ACs our, we might not always agree but that’s nature.

Yeah, me too. While I do not know if/how that would change anything (not a war expert), but what I do know is.
Aik giraya to khushi se pagal hogai, dil kr rha tha bahar nikal ker jashan manain. Ager baki sarey b giradete to khushi se heart attack ajata .

Hi,

Ertugrul was on Netflix years ago---like 5 years ago---.

I didn't know, we didn't even have netflix 5 years ago. (I dont know if netflix was even available in Pakistan 5 years ago).

I Why do you not have people in the ranks of military to think like that---. The Israelis have---even the Indians have people like that in their ranks---but their tragedy is that is that their lowers ranks are incompetent---.

I don't know if our lower ranks are incompetent. But we are talking empire-toppling generals. We would have taken Kashmir many many years ago, if we had someone like that.

We have not produced any salah uddin ayubi, or Osman Gazi, Or Tipu Sultan or Mehmood Gaznavi in last 73 years.
A general that would have not only weeded out the political mafia, but also the military mafia from military itself.

A lot of the problems that we have faced till today (MQM, PMLN, PPP, etc) is because of our generals' shortsightedness. But lets see what we get in the future.

The initial US attack should have raised RED FLAGS in the pakistani GHQ---that made it obvious that the american politicians had a different agenda---.

That is why it was very important to have captured and killed Osama Bin Laden on pakistan's side of Tora Bora---.

Till Tora Bora episode Pakistan's military had a chance---. That is when George Bush Jr blew up and finally decided an out out war on afg and then on iraq when he found out the OBL had escaped---.

Sir, lets just agree to disagree here.

 

[MastanKhan]

Exactly.

In the war against 80 flags, they would AGAIN ask for SOME PEOPLE TO BE HANDED OVER TO THEM. Muslims would off course refuse and so they (80 flags) will start the worst wars of all wars, which muslims would win, but muslims would lose 99% of the force.


Yeah, me too. While I do not know if/how that would change anything (not a war expert), but what I do know is.
Aik giraya to khushi se pagal hogai, dil kr rha tha bahar nikal ker jashan manain. Ager baki sarey b giradete to khushi se heart attack ajata .



I didn't know, we didn't even have netflix 5 years ago. (I dont know if netflix was even available in Pakistan 5 years ago).


I don't know if our lower ranks are incompetent. But we are talking empire-toppling generals. We would have taken Kashmir many many years ago, if we had someone like that.

We have not produced any salah uddin ayubi, or Osman Gazi, Or Tipu Sultan or Mehmood Gaznavi in last 73 years.
A general that would have not only weeded out the political mafia, but also the military mafia from military itself.

A lot of the problems that we have faced till today (MQM, PMLN, PPP, etc) is because of our generals' shortsightedness. But lets see what we get in the future.


Sir, lets just agree to disagree here.

Hi,

This war we are talking about---there is no such thing a AGREE to DISAGREE---.

There is a VICTOR in the war---it is the USA---has destroyed 1-2-3-4 muslim nations---totally decimated them---the muslim world is in shambles---running around like a headless chicken knowing no direction and having no resource---.

Your approach and mindset has failed---.

Why would I yield to your failure mindset and accept your defeat as success---?

You will have to learn to accept that you strategy is defeated and then you will have to re-assess your game plan and change accordingly and face issues from a different perspective---.

 

[famoj47521]

Hi,

This war we are talking about---there is no such thing a AGREE to DISAGREE---.

We are talking about an strategy, that we created took 20 years ago. We cant change that. So lets just agree to disagree, its no point arguing over it.

There is a VICTOR in the war---it is the USA---has destroyed 1-2-3-4 muslim nations---totally decimated them---the muslim world is in shambles---running around like a headless chicken knowing no direction and having no resource---.

Sir, we cant control the outcome in any other nation, we do not control other muslim nations, we control Pakistan and our neighbor and we managed to come out in one piece facing a super power + plus nato + all their money and resources. Their was "no outcome" where blood would not have been spilled, because USA was going to war anyway, I dont know why you wont admit it.

Your approach and mindset has failed---.

It hasn't.

Why would I yield to your failure mindset and accept your defeat as success---?

Because its not a defeat. Its a success.

You will have to learn to accept that you strategy is defeated and then you will have to re-assess your game plan and change accordingly and face issues from a different perspective---.

Off course. We are doing it and will continue to do that.

Hi,
The Israelis have---even the Indians have people like that in their ranks---

I think you are talking about strategists, Off course we have strategists, but we dont have someone like the Utrugul or Osman gazi in our ranks. Neither do israelis. But Americans definitely do, they have toppled soviet union after all.

And indians, well.

 

[MastanKhan]

We are talking about an strategy, that we created took 20 years ago. We cant change that. So lets just agree to disagree, its no point arguing over it.



Sir, we cant control the outcome in any other nation, we do not control other muslim nations, we control Pakistan and our neighbor and we managed to come out in one piece facing a super power + plus nato + all their money and resources. Their was "no outcome" where blood would not have been spilled, because USA was going to war anyway, I dont know why you wont admit it.


It hasn't.


Because its not a defeat. Its a success.


Off course. We are doing it and will continue to do that.


I think you are talking about strategists, Off course we have strategists, but we dont have someone like the Utrugul or Osman gazi in our ranks. Neither do israelis. But Americans definitely do, they have toppled soviet union after all.

And indians, well.
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Hi,

Please don't make fun of enemy soldier's ( general ) attire---.

What success are you talking about and whose success---?

It is not me who is arguing about it---. I do not argue with anyone---. It is you who is justifying the failure to success---.

If it is a success---share with me the success---. Where and when---?

 

[famoj47521]

Hi,

Please don't make fun of enemy soldier's ( general ) attire---.

Okay.

What success are you talking about and whose success---?

It is not me who is arguing about it---. I do not argue with anyone---. It is you who is justifying the failure to success---.

If it is a success---share with me the success---. Where and when---?

Consider this. A super power has landed their forces along with the forces of about 40 other countries, they have eyes on your nuclear capability, so they attempt to destroy your neighbor, install "their" government in your neighbor country and torment your country with proxies in pretty much all your provinces (MQM, TTP, BLA, PMLN, PPP) so that they can balkanize your country.

You not only manage to save your own nuclear capability, you also manage to defeat almost all of the proxies (except PPP). You also make sure that they never get stable in your neighboring country, you make their government non-functional and useless and you also ensure that you and your neighbor comes out in one piece.

I would term that as a victory.

Sir, you have to compare the military, technological and financial difference between us and them. We are not as powerful as them, so managing to not let them succeed would be classified as a victory for us.

We understand that massive blood has spilled in both countries, it would have been great if it could have been avoided, but it did spill. But that has not changed our stance, or our will, this victory will only be the stepping stone into more success. It has only taught us and made us smarter. We will go towards our east (to take down you know who) and we will go towards west (to take down you know who).

Sir, you are thinking Kaiser or Qisra, think Badar and Uhud.

Have a good day sir.

 

[MastanKhan]

Okay.



Consider this. A super power has landed their forces along with the forces of about 40 other countries, they have eyes on your nuclear capability, so they attempt to destroy your neighbor, install "their" government in your neighbor country and torment your country with proxies in pretty much all your provinces (MQM, TTP, BLA, PMLN, PPP) so that they can balkanize your country.

You not only manage to save your own nuclear capability, you also manage to defeat almost all of the proxies (except PPP). You also make sure that they never get stable in your neighboring country, you make their government non-functional and useless and you also ensure that you and your neighbor comes out in one piece.

I would term that as a victory.

Sir, you have to compare the military, technological and financial difference between us and them. We are not as powerful as them, so managing to not let them succeed would be classified as a victory for us.

We understand that massive blood has spilled in both countries, it would have been great if it could have been avoided, but it did spill. But that has not changed our stance, or our will, this victory will only be the stepping stone into more success. It has only taught us and made us smarter. We will go towards our east (to take down you know who) and we will go towards west (to take down you know who).

Sir, you are thinking Kaiser or Qisra, think Badar and Uhud.

Have a good day sir.

Hi,

The super does not have " Their Eye " on our nuclear capability in the manner you state---even though they do---.

If the american want to destroy our nuc capability---they will do it even before we knew about it---.

Their 'sniffer dogs' already know what we have and where we have it---.

But if you has killed Osama Bin Laden in 2001 and handed over his dead body to the american military and then gone ahead and marketed yourself to the american public on the media channels---you would have been the darling of the amercian public---.

You were clueless in what to do---. You were trying to please the american govt---you should have gone ahead and tried to please what the american public wanted to hear---a dead Osama Bin Laden---.

This mindset of Afsar to Afsar talk has ruined pakistan---.

Learn from Israel---learn from India---but why would---you are a pakistani---learning something different to what you believe in in impossible---.

Israel and India never have to convince the US govt---they let the american public do that when needed the most---. Israel is totally successful---india has suffered somewhat due to their internet and phone scams and taking american jobs and toilet habbits and rape---but still there is home---.

What pakistan sacrificed for the afg war---we should have been the power brokers---an economically very well off nation---but how was that possible for a nation
that sets lowest of the lowest standards of success and then dances and prances over its UNDER ACHIEVEMENTS.