Israelli oppression of an occupied people

[EyelessInGaza]

righteous

Why thank you for asking and I'd be delighted to help you understand.

This forum has many members who are bigots, in particular they are religious bigots and in particular, their method is to highlight grievances and to present these as civilizational grievances. Take the instance of the photo presented in the lead of the thread - note that it is not a vandal and a woman, these two characters in the scene are presented primarily as two religions with one uncivil to the other.

This was therefore an attempt to generate a emotional response from people who know nothing other than what the person who posted the photo said it meant.

You will note my comment about the poster being sad, about me being sad and about all of us being sad - why? because as you note the responses you will note the emotional responses to scene, about which you know nothing other than what the poster whats you know. You may enjoy that kind of manipulation, I think it's, well.., sad.

After all, you will have realized if you do the search and I hope you will show the courage of conviction to do so, of how many masajid were attacked, how many terror attacks, how many sectarian attacks, and just in Pakistan, and just during Ramazan -- and I would then invite you to consider whether allowing someone to play with your emotions to generate even more hatred is what you want to allow to be done to you.

And just between you and me, these Pakrabs rub me the wrong way.

Brilliant response. This is probably the best post I have read on here.

Outstanding.

Even so the wine throwing picture is irritating, and I'm Hindu (well sort of, anyway). That vandal should be given a swift kick in the pants.

 

[rizhussain44]

Brilliant response. This is probably the best post I have read on here.

Outstanding.

Even so the wine throwing picture is irritating, and I'm Hindu (well sort of, anyway). That vandal should be given a swift kick in the pants.

Don't know how Brilliant it was but it was off topic and irrelevant for sure

 

[EyelessInGaza]

Wow, Mr clean hands! ........................

I do have clean hands bro, because no one has thrown wine at me so far.

Although I'd probably snatch it out of their hands and drink it before they could do that.

But chill, I am not insulting you; I am attacking your argument. There's a difference.

The argument is one of equivalence. For every picture you show, someone else can show a counter, and so on and so forth.

You cannot use a particular (One Jewish man doing wrong) to generalize (All Jews bad, etc).

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

I do have clean hands bro, because no one has thrown wine at me so far.

Although I'd probably snatch it out of their hands and drink it before they could do that.

But chill, I am not insulting you; I am attacking your argument. There's a difference.

The argument is one of equivalence. For every picture you show, someone else can show a counter, and so on and so forth.

You cannot use a particular (One Jewish man doing wrong) to generalize (All Jews bad, etc).

Got it! I dont generalize but a muslim was attacked by a jew.
It is only is Islam people have label like moderate, islamists etc.
Yes, any one can show a pi. But supposedly, these people are civilized, educated & democratic. yet, most of their own support them. is that supposed to mean one just simply sit there and not expose what they find offensive, racist & intentional?
When you take a higher moral ground, accountability is also "higher".
I do appreciate your reply & have no problem with what you said, hence I toned down!

 

[muse]

What is your malfunction? You hoped to sow seeds of hate in this month of Ramazan (that's right Ramazan by trying evoke a emotional response by a single idiot and identified the idiot not as a delinquent, an idiot but as a Jew - Now why would you do that unless what you want to do is spread a little ramazan hate?? Why would you do that?

Now you are upset because you were busted and you show how kamzarf you are by going to the sister and mother route - you have zero standing. Your not a bigot, well I don't know what else you are given what you have done and said.

Listen here, just because we want a variety of points of views doesnot mean we entertain hate threads against any religion.

You said you would not say anything more and would move on - do just that move on..

 

[SecularHumanist]

The muslim world will always point outwards and look at people of other faiths with suspicion. Tolerance of other religions really hasn't been the strength of Islam and the muslim world. Self-righteousness is considered a quality in the Islamist world.

Btw it is easy to post such images to get an emotional reaction:

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

What is your malfunction? You hoped to sow seeds of hate in this month of Ramazan (that's right Ramazan by trying evoke a emotional response by a single idiot and identified the idiot not as a delinquent, an idiot but as a Jew - Now why would you do that unless what you want to do is spread a little ramazan hate?? Why would you do that?

Now you are upset because you were busted and you show how kamzarf you are by going to the sister and mother route - you have zero standing. Your not a bigot, well I don't know what else you are given what you have done and said.

Listen here, just because we want a variety of points of views doesnot mean we entertain hate threads against any religion.

You said you would not say anything more and would move on - do just that move on..

You and what army busted me?
Make me move on then if you can......................................
I am sure you dont have much support in this thread from
anyone!
In subsequent posts I have comment as I deem fit.
i did tell you I ll take your comments as compliments so
I am not going to say anything demeaning to you anymore but you did ask for it.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

The muslim world will always point outwards and look at people of other faiths with suspicion. Tolerance of other religions really hasn't been the strength of Islam and the muslim world. Self-righteousness is considered a quality in the Islamist world.

Btw it is easy to post such images to get an emotional reaction:

SH you should know better. I dont remember anyone on this forum supporting the ideas that you speak against. Do let me know if I am wrong, perhaps I dont spend a lot of time on the forum to know what everyone supports.

 

[ambersjay]

some retard threw wine on a muslim woman.....then a muslim should throw.....sh*t on a jewish woman.tit for tat. no need to blow it out of proportion and go on and on how the world is mistreating muslims.these sort of victimization generates unnecessary hatred towards others and fuells extremist ideals.after all it was just wine,not a plane being rammed into a building full of people.

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

in islam if some one hurt you then its up to you what you want to reply him forgive or hurt in same sense and i never compromise on islamic rulse and specialy to jewish becaus they are enemys of islam in all conditions

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

some retard threw wine on a muslim woman.....then a muslim should throw.....sh*t on a jewish woman.tit for tat. no need to blow it out of proportion and go on and on how the world is mistreating muslims.these sort of victimization generates unnecessary hatred towards others and fuells extremist ideals.after all it was just wine,not a plane being rammed into a building full of people.

The tread was about the plight of Palestininas.........
And what is wrong with posting proof? No one was advocating a killing or revenge spree.

I see looking at the last sentence of your post. you sure have a way with implications. Anyway, ( its all good) alcohol is haraam ( forbidden) and practicing muslims would surely be offended if someone threw it on them.

These people are getting humiliated( millions of them) for past 6 decades. You have to remember that as well.
There are plenty of inflaming topic/threads on this forum.; Unless you just joined, everyone should know that.

In any case I am free to post what i want & none has to agree with it. I can live with that!

 

[muse]

You and what army busted me?
Make me move on then if you can......................................
I am sure you dont have much support in this thread from
anyone!

Chuze - look at my posts, look at the threads I create, I don't need anyone to support me - my idea are their own weapon, they are their own support -- Why? Because they are not about hate.

See, :Mod Edit:, it's not about who suuports you or how much support -- these people, all these people on the forum, they aspire to be decent people, they don't need any more hate in their lives, do you under stand this? Are you one of these people? do you aspire to be decent, if yes, why then promote hate? why then invite emotions of rage and hurt and pain and anger and revenge???? What were you thinking??

:Mod Edit:

 

[insight-out]

Hi everyone, I am new to this forum. I stumbled upon pakdef a few days ago and was immediately impressed by the quality of the discussions. I have to say though that this thread has been a thorough disappointment. There are some people who epitomize everything that is wrong with our society. They are cynical, sarcastic and downright rude. In return they expect respect. I am not referring to atmi chuza. I would like to stick around, learn and contribute. I just hope we don't have to see such threads very often.

 

[Patriot]

Hi everyone, I am new to this forum. I stumbled upon pakdef a few days ago and was immediately impressed by the quality of the discussions. I have to say though that this thread has been a thorough disappointment. There are some people who epitomize everything that is wrong with our society. They are cynical, sarcastic and downright rude. In return they expect respect. I am not referring to atmi chuza. I would like to stick around, learn and contribute. I just hope we don't have to see such threads very often.

Well, normally the religious debates end like this..

 

[alirulesall123]

in islam if some one hurt you then its up to you what you want to reply him forgive or hurt in same sense and i never compromise on islamic rulse and specialy to jewish becaus they are enemys of islam in all conditions

How are Jews "enemies" of Islam? You could say that Israelies are enemies of Arabs, but not all jews are israeli!