Israelli oppression of an occupied people

[fhassan]

Please stop attacking the Israeli Jews - They have been chosen by god, as he has given them this land, and god will send him to heaven. The pest probably deserved it, becasue she was walking on Jewish Land.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

^ is that a joke? Being cynical or being serious???

 

[Righteous_Fire]

You are so sad -- and you are not alone, I am so sad, sometimes I think we are all so sad. The horror, the sheer terror, and in the holy month of Ramazan when some Muslims celebrate by blowing up other Muslims, the poor woman, sorry, this poor Muslim woman, will now need psychological help - all because this vandal, sorry Jew Vandal - the horror, oye, the tehrrror - you are sad. It's Ramazan -

Muse! I am really disappointed by your reply Sir!

Of the thousand possible ways you could have replied.....You chose ...... rejection and mockery!!!

can you please elaborate the necessity for doing so? I know, there must be a good reason for it.

And as for you reply part....... Yup you are right, there are countless things going wrong in this age and time, but that has never changed any humane person's desire to cry out for the helpless!!. Surely you can see that my brother.

 

[muse]

righteous

Why thank you for asking and I'd be delighted to help you understand.

This forum has many members who are bigots, in particular they are religious bigots and in particular, their method is to highlight grievances and to present these as civilizational grievances. Take the instance of the photo presented in the lead of the thread - note that it is not a vandal and a woman, these two characters in the scene are presented primarily as two religions with one uncivil to the other.

This was therefore an attempt to generate a emotional response from people who know nothing other than what the person who posted the photo said it meant.

You will note my comment about the poster being sad, about me being sad and about all of us being sad - why? because as you note the responses you will note the emotional responses to scene, about which you know nothing other than what the poster whats you know. You may enjoy that kind of manipulation, I think it's, well.., sad.

After all, you will have realized if you do the search and I hope you will show the courage of conviction to do so, of how many masajid were attacked, how many terror attacks, how many sectarian attacks, and just in Pakistan, and just during Ramazan -- and I would then invite you to consider whether allowing someone to play with your emotions to generate even more hatred is what you want to allow to be done to you.

And just between you and me, these Pakrabs rub me the wrong way.

 

[muse]

Pakrabs need to understand that we are Pakistani, not Arabs and certainly not Islamists - Righteous ask me a great question, but let ask Pakistanis and Pakrabs a simple one why did nthis not bother you:

Christian’s death in jail sparks Pakistan unrest
PAKISTAN - 16 SEPTEMBER 2009

ISLAMABAD - Pakistani Christians clashed with security forces Wednesday at the funeral of a Christian man who police said hanged himself in jail while being held on accusations he defiled the Muslim holy book. Some Christian leaders alleged he was murdered.

The clashes — just weeks after eight Christians were burned to death by a Muslim mob — are a reminder of the tensions simmering in religious minority communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan, where a spreading Taliban movement has fueled Islamist extremism.

Fanish Masih was found dead Tuesday in his cell in Sialkot, a town in Punjab province.

Jail superintendent Farooq Lodhi said the 19-year-old hanged himself using the string that held up his pants. The National Commission for Justice and Peace, a Catholic-led advocacy group in Pakistan, called the death an "extra-judicial murder" and demanded an investigation.

Lodhi denied any crime had been committed, adding that an autopsy was being conducted.

"Those who say he was killed in the jail are in fact trying to create unrest and confrontation between Muslims and Christians," he said.

According to the National Commission for Justice and Peace, Masih was accused of throwing a chapter of the Quran down a drain last week in Jatheki village. Muslims in the village near Sialkot responded by burning a church, and Masih was arrested the following day.

About 700 people attended Masih's funeral. Dozens of younger mourners began tossing stones at nearby police, who reacted by beating the protesters with batons and firing tear gas into the crowd, an Associated Press photographer at the scene in Sialkot said.

Christians have suspicions
Nelson Azeem, a Christian lawmaker from Sialkot, said he did not know how Masih died but said many people in the community were suspicious.

No matter how he died, he said, "it was the responsibility of the jail staff to protect his life as he was facing a serious charge."

Minority and human rights activists staged protests Tuesday in the eastern city of Lahore after word of Masih's death, with some carrying posters calling it a murder.

Non-Muslims make up less than 5 percent of Pakistan's 175 million people. They are especially vulnerable to anti-blasphemy laws that carry the death penalty for derogatory remarks or any other action against Islam, the Quran or the Prophet Muhammad.

Anyone can make an accusation under the rules, and they often are used to settle personal scores and rivalries.

In late July-early August, rumors that a group of Christians had desecrated a Quran sparked demonstrations that turned into riots in Gojra, a small city also in Punjab in a region dotted with hard-line Islamist schools.

Protesters set ablaze house after house in a Christian neighborhood in the town, killing eight people. Pakistani officials said the attack was incited by a radical Islamist group. A police probe had already found that no Quran was defiled.

After the Gojra killings, Pakistan's prime minister pledged the government would review the blasphemy laws.

His spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday.

Minority Rights Group International, a watchdog organization, ranked Pakistan last year as the world's top country for major increases in threats to minorities from 2007 — along with Sri Lanka, which was engaged in a civil war.

The group lists Pakistan seventh on the list of 10 most dangerous countries for minorities, after Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar and Congo.

Daily terrorist attacks in which those who claim to be Muslimj attack other Muslims, during Ramazan and yet we are supposed ot be "horrified" by a pictyre of man tossing what appears to be a colored liquid at a womoian who is walking away -- Yes, our lives are too painful so we seek escape in demonizing those who are too far away to respond -- and we are a better people for doing that?? During Ramazan?? And you ask what is wrong with me? what' the frick is wrong with you for not being abloe to see what is in front of your eyes??

 

[Righteous_Fire]

Muse Sir! This reply is not for making things worse, though replying to it does that, but the need was great enough to overcome the doubt So, here it goes, I hope you don't mind, since I a want to be fair and not otherwise in any sense.

This forum has many members who are bigots, in particular they are religious bigots and in particular, their method is to highlight grievances and to present these as civilizational grievances.

I agree, people have issues, But then everybody does. Your approach to not pursue causes when there is a lack in one's own self is appreciable....... but you must understand the need these people here feel when confronted with such issues. In their way, they are trying to create some peace and balance. And on its own, I think that is commendable. Dont You think so!! provided the same feeling be felt for the other side as well Right?!!

This was therefore an attempt to generate a emotional response from people who know nothing other than what the person who posted the photo said it meant.

Yes, this is blind hate, but it did not start out in a day. There is a history of actions, decades that led to this.. And now people just follow the cause, blindly. Again, this does not make them responsible but those whose actions led to this sorry state, no matter which side.

After all, you will have realized if you do the search and I hope you will show the courage of conviction to do so, of how many masajid were attacked, how many terror attacks, how many sectarian attacks, and just in Pakistan, and just during Ramazan -- and I would then invite you to consider whether allowing someone to play with your emotions to generate even more hatred is what you want to allow to be done to you.

Probably and surely, countless, a number not even kept accurately, that many, but the people you are letting your hate out on, have not earned or deserve it. Because, they condemn those Animals as well. They hate them, you hate them, we all do. The right thing would have been to accept this evil and promote the condemnation of the one you said as well. Rejecting one does not remove the other. In this, the people here and you, both are wrong.

The right way, as I said, is condemning both. Evil is evil, this one person in the picture has earned a bad name for all of his community as has "k..........da" people for us.

And just between you and me, these Pakrabs rub me the wrong way.

I understand , but they need to do so because they feel the need to so, a need as I already said, enshrined by decades of history.

PS: Here is the search for the pic above from the original site. I will try to point out the evil you have mentioned as well. Time and patience Sir. Visit the link as I do not want to post the text. But the OP is accurate, the text there is the same.

********.com - A settler tosses wine at a Palestinian woman

"Dont play it, Click the title headline to go to the link!!"

 

[muse]

Now it's my turn to be disappointed - whereas i thought you were misinformed, you suggested you are a sympathizer of the bigots - well each to their own.

Lets see if you will be tempted to post the pictures of Pakistani Christians, Hindus, and Ahmadi facing the kind of petty discriminations which you say, you understand the need to engage.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

And just between you and me, these Pakrabs rub me the wrong way.

:Mod Edit:
Refrain from personal attack & demeaning words if you want people to respect you or debate you.

 

[muse]

Non-arab or wanna be arab Islamist bigots are distinguished by a need to please - Chuza, please explain this need you feel to imagine that you are a arbi or Balestinian?

How come you are not concerned about the bigotry faced by Pakistani Christains and Hindu and Muslims (nonTakfiri) ?

 

[xebex]

This is really sad.................Esp. during the month of Ramadan.

That looks like a teen, what else u expect from a dumbfak teen. That doesnt mean i support teens, these assh0les need to get beaten up real bad, seriously. Ofcourse he've done so with religion in mentality, but generalizing every men and women in that particular religion is pathetic and continuing a thread and discussing that is even more pathetic. There are places outthere in world where jews and muslims live peacefully and no one seem to discussing it here. maybe thatz not worth discussing eh?

There are evil peoples outthere in every religious groups and that include Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Hinduism.etc. Just bcoz u belong to religion-x doesnt mean u r a saint and the entire relgion represent you, u need to act what the religion says, only then u really belong to religion-x and represent it.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Non-arab or wanna be arab Islamist bigots are distinguished by a need to please - Chuza, please explain this need you feel to imagine that you are a arbi or Balestinian?

How come you are not concerned about the bigotry faced by Pakistani Christains and Hindu and Muslims (nonTakfiri) ?

Actually, my forefathers were arab !!!!!
Its is not about nationality in any case.

And WTF is Balestinian?
Even if i am (or not) is not you bee's wax!
Are you a someone pretending to be a Pakistani? And that is my biz to ask of you since you display the flag.

Pls prove your case that "How come you are not concerned about the bigotry faced by Pakistani Christains and Hindu and Muslims (nonTakfiri)"? If you cant prove that, you should be banned for having accused someone of something that you cannot prove. That is fair & mods should agree.........

 

[muse]

well thats fair - you please demonstrate that you are concerned about the discrimination of christains and Hindus and non-takfiri Muslims in in Pakistan -- and while you are at it prove your ethnic connection - you say you are an arbi (sounds really desperate if you ask me) -- but you do you feel this need to be other than pakistani, I mean why arbi in particular, is it the headgear? or is there a lot of ignorance associated with that? is it some cool under ground thing or what?

Arabzada? by way of bhawalpur?

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

well thats fair - you please demonstrate that you are concerned about the discrimination of christains and Hindus and non-takfiri Muslims in in Pakistan -- and while you are at it prove your ethnic connection - you say you are an arbi (sounds really desperate if you ask me) -- but you do you feel this need to be other than pakistani, I mean why arbi in particular, is it the headgear? or is there a lot of ignorance associated with that? is it some cool under ground thing or what?

I dont need to prove anything to you!
My heritage is my business !
Stop your talibani tactics! How bout that?

:Mod Edit:

 

[dabong1]

Nobody is stopping you muse from posting pics of hindus-christians being attacked......or do we first have to show pics of every other group first before we post about muslims?


Where do you get you silly soundbites from "Pakrab".....

 

[alirulesall123]

I dont need to prove anything to you! The onu sis on you or GTFO!
My heritage is my business !
Stop you talibani tactics! How bout that?

You're the one that sounds like the talibani one right now, you condemn all jews for this single actions, when muslims are blowing each other to pieces and minorities are being oppressed in Pakistan.