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Israeli military can be swept aside by Iran: US analyst

I guess the pplz are so stupid that they have no idea about the firepower of Israel.......:lol:

and I'm scared this child harming himself with this so called fire powered ......


and this funny most of Iranian ( at lease some one like me ) never feared their nukes but they fear that we obtain even 1 nuke !!!?

by logic , we should fear west and their thousands nuke and ICBMs but this totally opposite !!

the God already put fear in their hearts .... and they can't cover their fear by lies ....

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Their cultural heritage are still very different.

Arabs are culturally different from one another, as well, depending on which group of Arabs you are talking about.


Well, you have to admit, the Israelis had Western support due to their effectiveness. America's goal was to have a solid footing in the middle east to get easy access to oil and control over trade routes. This was significant due to the Cold War.

Support to so called "Israel" had nothing to do with securing oil supplies. For that, they always had the Saudi and similar regimes.If what you say is true, would that mean the Saudi and Gulf regimes were equally as organized as the so called "Israelis" because they have been supported by the West? The real reason was that so called "Israel" was composed of so called Jews who arrived from Europe, and similar Jews controlled/still control a large chunk of political, financial, media and related industries in the West, and to some extent in the former Soviet Union too.


It wasn't just about the weapons, religion and support. The Israelis were far more organized than the Arabs. That's what made the difference between victory and defeat!

What made the Arabs victorious in 1973? The Westerners supported so called "Israel" (and still do) because of their own reasons, which as I have mentioned, include their religious inclinations, political inclinations, racial similarities etc. This support even extends to distorting history to paint so called "Israel" as an indomitable power and a victor in all wars, while reality is completely different. Arabs' lack of unity should be blamed on themselves more than any external powers, but that does not detract from the unfliinching Western support towards so called "Israel".


To be frank, I wouldn't really buy anything from that particular media source. But that, I'd make an exception.

Okay firstly, it is highly unlikely that the US will ever attack Iran.

Secondly, Israel's capacity to launch a full-fledged strike on Iran is at best limited. Believe me, if they had, they would have done so a long time ago. It is pretty obvious that they don't get everything in America's arsenal of technology and weapons. Even they have their limitations regardless of how much fanboys huff and puff over it.

However, they may try to use a proxy like what they did during the Iraq-Iran War. Most probably, the country your source mentions.


So called "Israel" has only one way of attacking Iran, and that is asking USA to do it. Likewise, despite many proclamations on internet fora to the contrary, neither Iranians, nor Turks nor Pakistanis, would be able to hold a candle to what Arabs have been able to achieve against so called "Israel" in direct conflict or warfare.

That explains why despite so many warnings, chants and threats, the most that the current Iranian regime has done against so called "Israel" is use proxies like Hezbollah (who are Arabs), while Turks meekly backtracked when many Turks were killed by so called "Israelis" (an act which was condemned by almost the whole world, and for which, almost the whole world held so called "Israel" responsible except its Western allies), and Pakistan, which bent over backwards at one warning from America of being bombed back to the stone age.

Not to insult any Muslim majority nation, but hearing some (English language) forum banter on this and many other fora, many people are under the wrongful impression that somehow Turks, Pakistanis or Iranians are the strongest Muslim countries, militarily immensely powerful and some superpower in the making, while in reality, they either kow-tow to Americans, or they dare not upset the 'balance' that Americans use force to maintain.

Without Arabs, the current Muslim world has very little to show, and of the very little to show, most of it comes from Iran, sad as it may be. I know that some of my above comments will ruffle many a feathers, and some people may start brewing a storm in a teacup here over my comments, but I have no intention of starting a measuring contest amongst Muslim countries.

If Iran, Turkey or Pakistan were capable of challenging the West or taking on so called "Israel", they would have. If Turkey or Pakistan were capable of openly challenging the dictums of the West, they would have. Only Iran has challenged Western narratives openly, yet, amongst these countries, and even they have not dared to open a front against so called "Israel".

Do not forget that Iran and Syria is bound by a mutual defense treaty, which means that if one is attacked, the other must come to its defense. What happened when so called "Israel" bombed Syria's nuclear reactor? Did the Iranian military sweep aside so called "Israeli" military?

Unless the Arabs, who form the majority in the Middle East region, and who are also mostly Muslim in one of the few regions of the world with an overwhelming majority, get their acts together, the rest of the Muslim world can not reclaim its rightful position. Until that time, one would probably come across silly non-stop online bravado claiming Iran, Turkey or Pakistan as some sort of mighty countries that could turn the tide in favour of the Muslim world. In reality, these three countries together do not have a single city where the average citizen earns more than $30,000 a year, for example, or which could be called developed. These three countries together do not possess half the MBTs owned by a single country like Russia (which has more than twice the number of tanks owned by the next country on such a list), and one could point to dozens of such facts to point out that for the Muslim world to actually take its rightful place, the Arabs should get their acts together and stop all these silly infighting, evict their puppet rulers (whether they are Western or Russian puppets) and then, the Arabs could act as a beacon for the rest of the Muslim world.

Sorry for the somewhat long speech, but if you thought that Iran (or Pakistan or Turkey) are somehow 'above' Arabs because of internet bravado, then you are wrong. There is hardly any sector in which these three countries are above Arabs, while Arabs are ahead of all three of them combined in many sectors. One important factor, though, is that Arabs have not yet had a popular, revolutionary government that cut all ties with the West to advance themselves further, at least not yet. That's something Iran has been able to do but neither Pakistan nor Turkey.
 
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you wrote so much BS if you want to see muslim economies and how advanced they are this shows is perfectly

DS100_DinarStandard_Infographic.jpg


With 20 companies, Turkey has the highest number of companies listed in the Top 100 Companies of the Muslim World: 2010 DS100 Ranking.
DinarStandard, a research and advisory company that specializes in emerging Muslim markets, has issued the seventh annual 2010 DS100 ranking, the result of research conducted on companies in the 57 member countries of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC).

According to the latest report, Turkey leads the list in terms of having the most companies represented, with 20 companies in the DS100 ranking. The report also states that Turkish companies present the widest and most diverse sector representation of any country in the report. “This should come as no surprise, given the fact that Turkey has the largest OIC economy, as measured by gross domestic production [GDP] output,” the report stated.

With its 2009 end-of-year revenue at $28.9 billion, Koç Holding was the top Turkish company and ranked 10th on the list among 100 companies in the 57 OIC member countries. This was followed by Sabancı Holding, which ranked 16th, with $12.1 billion. Yıldız Holding (ranked 18th with 2009 revenue of $10.9 billion) and İş Bankası (19th with 2009 revenue of $10.8 billion) were other big Turkish companies who made the list.


The remaining Turkish companies in the DS100 were Ziraat Bankası (24th), Akbank (31st), Doğan Holding (35th), Turkcell (40th), Enka Holding (45th), Doğuş Holding (47th), Halkbank (48th), VakıfBank (51st), Turkish Airlines (THY) (56th), Türkiye Elektrik Üretim İletim A.Ş. (Turkey Electric Production and Communication) (64th), BİM (77th), Ereğli Demir-Çelik (Ereğli Iron-Steel) (79th), Selçuk Ecza Deposu (Selçuk Pharmaceuticals) (83rd), Eczacıbaşı Holding (88th), Vestel (90th), Ciner Grubu (98th).

The top of the list was occupied by the world’s top oil producer, Saudi Arabian Oil Co., with 2009 revenues of $182.4 billion. This was followed by other oil companies, including National Iranian Oil Company ($79.28 billion), which ranked second, and Petroliam Nasional Bhd. from Malaysia ($70.87 billion), which ranked third. The report underlined that the energy sector had continued its dominance by listing 19 companies on the list. The combined revenue of these companies in 2009 was $642 billion.

The 2010 DS100 list had 56 publicly traded companies from 11 countries, compared to the 2009 list, where 58 companies from 13 countries were listed. Turkey’s Koç Holding, a diversified electronics, automotive, energy, finance and retail giant, was the largest publicly traded company on the list, followed by Saudi Basic Industries Corporation (SABIC) and the Saudi Telecom Company, which ranked eighth and 13th, respectively.


Arabs are culturally different from one another, as well, depending on which group of Arabs you are talking about.




Support to so called "Israel" had nothing to do with securing oil supplies. For that, they always had the Saudi and similar regimes.If what you say is true, would that mean the Saudi and Gulf regimes were equally as organized as the so called "Israelis" because they have been supported by the West? The real reason was that so called "Israel" was composed of so called Jews who arrived from Europe, and similar Jews controlled/still control a large chunk of political, financial, media and related industries in the West, and to some extent in the former Soviet Union too.




What made the Arabs victorious in 1973? The Westerners supported so called "Israel" (and still do) because of their own reasons, which as I have mentioned, include their religious inclinations, political inclinations, racial similarities etc. This support even extends to distorting history to paint so called "Israel" as an indomitable power and a victor in all wars, while reality is completely different. Arabs' lack of unity should be blamed on themselves more than any external powers, but that does not detract from the unfliinching Western support towards so called "Israel".





So called "Israel" has only one way of attacking Iran, and that is asking USA to do it. Likewise, despite many proclamations on internet fora to the contrary, neither Iranians, nor Turks nor Pakistanis, would be able to hold a candle to what Arabs have been able to achieve against so called "Israel" in direct conflict or warfare.

That explains why despite so many warnings, chants and threats, the most that the current Iranian regime has done against so called "Israel" is use proxies like Hezbollah (who are Arabs), while Turks meekly backtracked when many Turks were killed by so called "Israelis" (an act which was condemned by almost the whole world, and for which, almost the whole world held so called "Israel" responsible except its Western allies), and Pakistan, which bent over backwards at one warning from America of being bombed back to the stone age.

Not to insult any Muslim majority nation, but hearing some (English language) forum banter on this and many other fora, many people are under the wrongful impression that somehow Turks, Pakistanis or Iranians are the strongest Muslim countries, militarily immensely powerful and some superpower in the making, while in reality, they either kow-tow to Americans, or they dare not upset the 'balance' that Americans use force to maintain.

Without Arabs, the current Muslim world has very little to show, and of the very little to show, most of it comes from Iran, sad as it may be. I know that some of my above comments will ruffle many a feathers, and some people may start brewing a storm in a teacup here over my comments, but I have no intention of starting a measuring contest amongst Muslim countries.

If Iran, Turkey or Pakistan were capable of challenging the West or taking on so called "Israel", they would have. If Turkey or Pakistan were capable of openly challenging the dictums of the West, they would have. Only Iran has challenged Western narratives openly, yet, amongst these countries, and even they have not dared to open a front against so called "Israel".

Do not forget that Iran and Syria is bound by a mutual defense treaty, which means that if one is attacked, the other must come to its defense. What happened when so called "Israel" bombed Syria's nuclear reactor? Did the Iranian military sweep aside so called "Israeli" military?

Unless the Arabs, who form the majority in the Middle East region, and who are also mostly Muslim in one of the few regions of the world with an overwhelming majority, get their acts together, the rest of the Muslim world can not reclaim its rightful position. Until that time, one would probably come across silly non-stop online bravado claiming Iran, Turkey or Pakistan as some sort of mighty countries that could turn the tide in favour of the Muslim world. In reality, these three countries together do not have a single city where the average citizen earns more than $30,000 a year, for example, or which could be called developed. These three countries together do not possess half the MBTs owned by a single country like Russia (which has more than twice the number of tanks owned by the next country on such a list), and one could point to dozens of such facts to point out that for the Muslim world to actually take its rightful place, the Arabs should get their acts together and stop all these silly infighting, evict their puppet rulers (whether they are Western or Russian puppets) and then, the Arabs could act as a beacon for the rest of the Muslim world.

Sorry for the somewhat long speech, but if you thought that Iran (or Pakistan or Turkey) are somehow 'above' Arabs because of internet bravado, then you are wrong. There is hardly any sector in which these three countries are above Arabs, while Arabs are ahead of all three of them combined in many sectors. One important factor, though, is that Arabs have not yet had a popular, revolutionary government that cut all ties with the West to advance themselves further, at least not yet. That's something Iran has been able to do but neither Pakistan nor Turkey.
 
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you wrote so much BS if you want to see muslim economies and how advanced they are this shows is perfectly

I expected such an immature response from Turks.

1. Your source is BS.
2. Your response is BS as well, because it does not address or counter any of the facts that I mentioned.

If you want to know why DinarStandard is BS, let's start a new thread, then I can clearly and easily show you why DinarStandard's pro-Turkish 'bent' lends it no credibility, why all its 'rankings' are fake, and after I'm done, I expect other members to acknowledge that you are the product of a nation that has yet to produce a single Nobel prize winner in science despite 80+ years of begging at Europe's doorstep for mercy and forgiveness.

If you want to know why your source is BS, start a new thread. Don't spoil this one.
 
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hahaha its bullshit? its not even turk theres a video on it and the guy looks arab so how can it be pro turk? and its not a point of opinion its fact anyone can get .

where are you from ? bangladesh? hmmm
 
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and I'm scared this child harming himself with this so called fire powered ......


and this funny most of Iranian ( at lease some one like me ) never feared their nukes but they fear that we obtain even 1 nuke !!!?

by logic , we should fear west and their thousands nuke and ICBMs but this totally opposite !!

the God already put fear in their hearts .... and they can't cover their fear by lies ....

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I guess U guyz are just so much scared of the West, I don't know why. The ones who believes that there is Almighty God watching to save us then no need to fear from anybody,neither West or Israel. They won't be able to hurt you. no matter what. We don't even need no so many weapons to safeguard us from them........:smokin:
 
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hahaha its bullshit? its not even turk theres a video on it and the guy looks arab so how can it be pro turk? and its not a point of opinion its fact anyone can get .



where are you from ? bangladesh? hmmm

Even if I were from Mars or Venus, if I had said that 13+24=37, and if you had said that 13+24=98, no matter whether you were from Turkey, or Argentina, or so called "Israel", or Vanuatu, or anywhere else, it would be you that would be wrong and it would be me that is correct based on simple logical deductions.


Since you have been banned temporarily, it may seem unwise and unfair to reply to you, but I believe you will be unbanned soon as well, and other members are probably ignorant as to why DinarStandard (an American paid agent's publication) is BS as well. It may be a good opportunity to expose DinarStandard for what it actually is.


Let's take a look at the first list, which they term "Top 100 Companies in the Muslim World". I think most ppl around the world would agree that if there is a single mistake in the list, then you can no longer claim that the list is that of the "Top 100 Companies in the Muslim World". If you had bothered to visit the comments section below the list, or you had the knowledge to analyze lists for what they are, you would have learned that Rafi ud din Shikoh is a Pakistani who has taken up USA's citizenship despite USA being the greatest enemy of Muslims and Islam in the world today, and it is he who tries his utmost to portray a Muslim world that is 'advanced, prosperous and powerful' or even 'important' only if it includes American puppets (like secular Turkey) or it happens to include Pakistan because that is his ancestral homeland. Why does he not include Iranian achievements or companies in the list as much as he should? That is because Iran is regularly depicted as "backward" or "evil" or "terrorist" in Jewish Western media. That person does not have the mettle to stand against that narrative simply because he is a paid agent of USA who tries to produce false statistics to portray the idea that secularism and American puppetry is the only way forward for Muslims. To support his thesis, he invents statistics of the number of Turkish firms by using his artificial ranking criteria, by conveniently excluding all those firms that he wants to so that he can try to portray Turkey and Malaysia as two non Arab, and American aligned powerhouse economies.

Nevertheless, is there any logical and sound economic basis to the argument that the number of companies on a list based on revenues from a certain country is a measure of its economic vitality and strength without taking into account the exchange rate regime in place, the size of the domestic market, diplomatic relations with the rest of the world or sanctions and embargo enforced against countries like Iran?


I quote one of the comments.
You may check the following financial statements/annual reports:

1. IPIC (UAE): http://www.ipic.ae/En/pdf/IPIC 2009 FS.pdf
9b USD+ Revenues

2. Borealis (majority owned by UAE): Key Figures and Market Position
4.714 b EUR Revenues (5b+ USD Revenues)

3. Majid Al Futtaim Group (UAE): http://www.majidalfuttaim.com/FinancialHighlights2009.pdf
15.972 b AED Revenues (4b USD+ Revenues)

4. Sinar Mas Group (Indonesia): Revenues of 6b+ USD



You may also take a look at GPCA from the UAE, that's also missing from the list, and then a whole host of banks and other companies from Indonesia, Iran, Kazakhstan and elsewhere are also ignored conveniently. The reason for that 'convenience', of course, is that DinarStandard has a pro-Turkish bias. :tdown: That bias has its origins in the founder's pro-American stance on the true way of life.


It is also very convenient for the author that they do not compile the list every year because Turkish representation was much lower in other years before and after, which is why they do not publish reports and lists for those years.


To compare the top 100, 200 or 500 companies from certain Muslim majority countries, I have attached those lists from these three countries. Compare on your own whether the compilation by American paid agent at DinarStandard deserves any credence.

Fortune 500 Trkiye - Trkiye'nin En Byk 500 irketi
Observe that the largest company from Turkey, according to Fortune 500 Turkey, is a Petroleum firm and many firms from the same industry dominate the list of top Turkish companies in reality.







Do not forget that 1 TL = 0.6436 USD, on average, for the calendar year 2009.

Historical Exchange Rates | OANDA




Let's take a look at some of the largest PRIVATE groups of companies operating in Indonesia for your education.
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/pages/downloads/GlobeAsiaList.pdf




The above list has been compiled for GlobeAsia, a business publication arm of The Jakarta Globe. Notice that this list only compiled information for PRIVATELY OWNED groups of companies and deliberately excluded Indonesian State Owned Entreprises, data for which can be gleaned from the relevant ministry's website. You can see the full list of State Owned Entreprises (SOEs) in Indonesia here. A good first estimate is that about 8 to 10 of these companies would rank higher than the lowest ranked company in the fake list produced by American paid agents at DinarStandard.


Looking at Iran's top companies, we stumble into the following list.
IMI100*-

Pay attention to the fact that NIOC, Iran's National Oil Company is ignored in this list, and that the amounts expressed are in billions of Iranian Rials. The following is the list for the Iranian year 1389 (2010-2011).




The next one is the list for the Iranian year 1388 (2009-2010).





Only three countries have been compared above, but if we include all OIC Member states, time consuming as the effort may be, many more flaws in the FAKE list produced by American paid agents at DinarStandard could also be discovered

In conclusion, DINAR STANDARD = BS



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I must add that the English language list at IMI.IR website probably uses some online translation service to translate the list. This results in oddities like "Bank Mellat" being translated as "National Bank" and "Bank Tejarat" being translated as "Commerce Bank", among others.
 
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