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Israeli Attack on Iran: Easier Said Than Done

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Nice article pity the rest of the thread degenerated into a slanging match.

One thing the article ignores is that Israel may not need to make an unrefuled return trip. Just a thought but perhaps a scenario likethis might work.

Israel waits till Saudi arabia is running an exercise, during the 5 day "bombing camels 2013" Israel sends its airforce through Saudi, hooks over southern Iraq, heck they can always appologise later, besides if the Turks can fly into Iraq to bomb camps Iraq isnt going to be able to stop Israel either.

They hit Natanz and head south once out of Irans airspace they start screaming bingo fuel, the US can now let 20 Israeli F15s and 16s splash, risk that they cant find all the pilots and face the screams back home or refuel them for the return flight.

Iran will still scream bule murder and claim the US was in on it, the US can claim they only assisted the Israeli after they were no longer armed and were in distress.
 
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so getting back to the topic well in the artical which IMO is very realistic still there is a detail missing there is no account of iranian defences. in the situation defined in the topic it close to impossible to attack without any confrontation, or fear of no return due to range and fuel alone u add defences pilot fatigue and opposition fighter in large numbers(lo tech) u have a lot on your plat this kind of situation makes even lowly AA a huge problem.
 
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Nice article pity the rest of the thread degenerated into a slanging match.

One thing the article ignores is that Israel may not need to make an unrefuled return trip. Just a thought but perhaps a scenario likethis might work.

Israel waits till Saudi arabia is running an exercise, during the 5 day "bombing camels 2013" Israel sends its airforce through Saudi, hooks over southern Iraq, heck they can always appologise later, besides if the Turks can fly into Iraq to bomb camps Iraq isnt going to be able to stop Israel either.

They hit Natanz and head south once out of Irans airspace they start screaming bingo fuel, the US can now let 20 Israeli F15s and 16s splash, risk that they cant find all the pilots and face the screams back home or refuel them for the return flight.

Iran will still scream bule murder and claim the US was in on it, the US can claim they only assisted the Israeli after they were no longer armed and were in distress.

yes but this articas states only israel attack on iran where US is not involved .if we add USA in this attack the entire senario changes we not only see aircraft carrier group in this equation but also coilation support .this artical states if israel attacks without all that that its very hard
 
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We continued the war because Khomeini believed that Saddam Hussein's regime should be toppled
And he miserably failed.

You can ask every member here,Iraq of 1980 was stronger or Egypt of 1973?Iraq never started a full scale war against Israel in 1973 ,however you can't even compare Iraq of 1973 with 1980
Egypt in 1973 was much stronger than Iraq in 1973.

If we had Chieftains, TOWs and F-14s in 1973 we would win war in one day not in 24.

Hizbullah defeated Israel in 2006 so there is no comparison. They had also defeated you back in 2000. So that is two defeats in a decade by an informal army without even an air force. IDF is good for nothing.
Nothing new here. Arabs always say they are victorius. Nasser claimed victory in 1956, Saddat and Assad claimed victory in 1973, Saddam claimed victory in 1991. Even in 2003 Arabs claimed victory one hour before tanks entered Baghdad. Now Hezbollah hide like rats in bukers and claim victory. Wish more victories like that to all Israel's enemies.
 
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Nice article pity the rest of the thread degenerated into a slanging match.

One thing the article ignores is that Israel may not need to make an unrefuled return trip. Just a thought but perhaps a scenario likethis might work.

Israel waits till Saudi arabia is running an exercise, during the 5 day "bombing camels 2013" Israel sends its airforce through Saudi, hooks over southern Iraq, heck they can always appologise later, besides if the Turks can fly into Iraq to bomb camps Iraq isnt going to be able to stop Israel either.

They hit Natanz and head south once out of Irans airspace they start screaming bingo fuel, the US can now let 20 Israeli F15s and 16s splash, risk that they cant find all the pilots and face the screams back home or refuel them for the return flight.

Iran will still scream bule murder and claim the US was in on it, the US can claim they only assisted the Israeli after they were no longer armed and were in distress.
I think you wrote this after watching a Hollywood movie.It's not transformers man.It's the real world and Iran's airspace is not a museum which people come take a visit and go back safe.Iran will hit the airports Israeli jets have took off while they haven't even left Iran's air space (if they can).So they should land in Saudi deserts.
 
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Yes, thats beautiful.


Our identity is simple: to be a free nation in our land.


Your current government consists of Arab wannabees. They afraid from own people more than anything else. One day you will have a real independent government, which cares about Iran, not the Arabs.


You want more recent example? No problem: Israel defeated 3 Arab armies in 6 days. Iran failed to defeat 1 Arab army in 8 long years, despite losing half million people.



Im not picking sides...but lets be truthful....Israel had the assistance of at least 3 developed nations ranging from ammunitions, tanks, jets, bombs, satelittes, intel, etc.....its n ot hard to see why you were so successful
 
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Im not picking sides...but lets be truthful....Israel had the assistance of at least 3 developed nations ranging from ammunitions, tanks, jets, bombs, satelittes, intel, etc.....its n ot hard to see why you were so successful
As I said Israel recieved almost no aid before 1973. On the other hand Arabs recieved massive aid from USSR since 1955. Iran got hundreds of billions of dollars from oil.
 
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I was having heartburn last night so i went to the local pharmacy and got some omeprazole,
I took one 20 mg pill with a full glass of water. 30 minutes later, my acid reflux/heartburn got soo severe that i was having a hard time breathing. I checked the label to verify that it was the right thing that i got and it said
"Made in Israel"

and then i flipped it again and on the other side it said

"Made for Muslims"
 
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I think you wrote this after watching a Hollywood movie.It's not transformers man.It's the real world and Iran's airspace is not a museum which people come take a visit and go back safe.Iran will hit the airports Israeli jets have took off while they haven't even left Iran's air space (if they can).So they should land in Saudi deserts.

Irans airspace might not be a museum bit half its air force belongs in one. You will hit the base they took off from, what all of them, plenty of places to land perhaps they can even use Tabriz it was on offer last time Israel bombed a reactor.

Air defence would be more of a problem than your airforce but no ones airspace is inpenatrable, no one thought you could get a Phantom through the russian air space or bomb the conference centre in Baghdad either.
 
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As I said Israel recieved almost no aid before 1973. On the other hand Arabs recieved massive aid from USSR since 1955. Iran got hundreds of billions of dollars from oil.


I just don;t understand why are you so against Iran? Is the open declaration that calls for the destruction of Israel? I know the trheat exists but when you look at it from the Sunni/Shia context, the Sunni's represents a bigger threat to humanity, I think.
 
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I just don;t understand why are you so against Iran? Is the open declaration that calls for the destruction of Israel? I know the trheat exists but when you look at it from the Sunni/Shia context, the Sunni's represents a bigger threat to humanity, I think.
I think you should read a little more regarding the issue. Iran is the sworn enemy of Israel. Hizbolla and hamas are funded and armed by Iran .
 
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February 13, 2012

Racism shapes Israel's view of Iran's nuclear programme

If Tehran develops the bomb, it would deter Tel Aviv from attacking it, thus changing balance of power in the region

As tensions rose in the crisis that pits Iran against Israel and the US, the American and Israeli press reported last week that Iranian leaders have threatened Israel and the US with swift retaliation should they attack Iran. Obama administration officials also cranked up the pressure on the Iranians.

On February 2, the Washington Post described US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta as believing that there was a ‘strong likelihood' that Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June. At the same time, the Israeli press quoted Panetta as saying that "Iran is only one year away from producing a nuclear weapon."

Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak explained the urgency of striking Iran, before Iranian development of a nuclear bomb entered a ‘zone of immunity' and no air strike, however sophisticated, can stop it. A nuclear Iran may not be the worst thing to happen to the Middle East. Yet it is useful to ask, given the approaching drums of war, how dangerous a nuclear Iran is likely to be.

For the Israelis, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Barak seem to have convinced themselves that a nuclear Iran poses an existential threat to Israel. They must therefore, so they argue, act to pre-empt that threat before it is too late.

Netanyahu and Barak astutely framed the danger of a nuclear Iran as an urgent issue of concern not only to Israel but also to the Americans — fighting a war on terror, and concerned about ‘rogue states' acquiring nuclear weapons and sponsoring ‘suitcase terrorism.'

Consider the following expression of alarm from one Israeli analyst who may have spoken for much of the Israeli right on the subject. The international community, he warned, must prevent "the mad mullahs [clerics] from acquiring doomsday weapons and dramatically changing the global balance of power." How can the clerics, mad or not, change the global balance of power is not clear. But what is clear is that the war party in Israel, led by none other than Netanyahu, wants the world to see the crisis in apocalyptic terms because "the fate of modern civilisation as we know it is now at stake." In an article provocatively entitled Time to Attack Iran in the latest issue of Foreign Affairs, Matthew Kroenig justifies his bellicose endorsement of war against Iran saying "Tehran has threatened nuclear war in response to any US initiative in the Middle East."

First of all, why would Iran threaten nuclear war in response to "any" US initiative in the region? And why would the US have to believe this preposterous threat? And what would Iran do if the US ignored the threat? Attack the US and bring certain destruction upon itself?

Nuclear weapons are not weapons of threat; they are weapons of deterrence. It is obvious that the argument is based on basic misunderstanding of the strategic revolution that nuclear weapons brought to warfare. In the pre-nuclear age war used to be, as the great Prussian military historian Karl von Clausewitz famously put it, "the continuation of politics by other means." Conventional strategic calculations equated war with the acquisition of territories, bounty, or simply the subjugation of another people. In the nuclear age, war lost its role as a continuation of politics by other means.

Logic of deterrence

That is because no one country, not even the US or Russia, could guarantee the pre-emptive destruction of all nuclear weapons possessed by the enemy. Therefore, a first strike, let's say, by the US, no matter how massive, would inevitably bring about a devastating retaliation from Russia. Washington knows it and Moscow knows it. And it is this certainty of mutually assured destruction (MAD) that justified the logic of nuclear deterrence and kept the peace during the Cold War.

If the logic of nuclear deterrence kept the peace between major rivals during the Cold War, why can the same logic not apply to the Middle East? Unless one subscribes to the racist assumption that Iranian leaders are inherently incapable of rational calculations, one must accept that the logic of nuclear deterrence would apply here too.

And thus, if Iran becomes a nuclear power, its first achievement would not be to destroy Israel; this would bring about a devastating response from the Israelis that would completely erase Iran from the map. Its first achievement would be to deter Israel from attacking Iran.

If Barak recognises that a slightly more advanced stage of nuclear weapon development would bring Tehran's nuclear programme into a ‘zone of immunity,' then it makes all the more sense that a fully developed nuclear weapon programme would turn Iran into a fully developed ‘zone of immunity.' In other words, the logic of deterrence would prevail. What would change if Iran became a nuclear power? The balance of power in the region would change; Israel's hegemony in the region would no longer go unchallenged. The practically unrestricted freedom the Israelis enjoyed in carrying out attacks against Gaza, Lebanon and Hezbollah would be viewed through the new balance of power.

In fact, Barak himself recognised that much in the course of an interview with an Israeli journalist Ronen Bergman, of the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth): A nuclear Iran, he said, "would definitely restrict our range of operations."


Adel Safty is Distinguished Professor Adjunct at the Russian Academy of Public Administration. Novosibirsk. His new book, Might Over Right, is endorsed by Noam Chomsky and published in England.

gulfnews : Racism shapes Israel's view of Iran's nuclear programme
 
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Who said that it will be an easy task? that is why it is the last resort only



Israel has been committing act of terrorism by murdering Iranian Scientist.

Now that act has come back to bite them in the rear end and there is nothing Israel can do about it.

What goes around comes around, Buddy.
 
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