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Israeli Attack on Iran: Easier Said Than Done

Despite renewed media speculation regarding possible Israeli attacks against Iran’s nuclear facilities as early as this spring, skepticism that such a campaign could actually be successfully carried out remains relatively high, raising the question of whether there is more bark than bite to Israeli threats.

It cannot expect a repeat of 1981 when the Israeli air force destroyed the Osirak reactor at Al-Tuwaythah, just south of Baghdad.

The Iranians are aware of both Israeli capabilities and the U.S.-made precision-guided penetrating munitions in the Israeli inventory. The Iranian program has been dispersed all over the country — estimates range between 12 and more than 20 locations — and the facilities have been built with U.S. and Israeli capabilities in mind and are protected by modern Russian air-defense systems.

The single most critical element of the Iranian program is thought to be the Natanz facility. The heart of the facility is the centrifuge area, located in an underground, hardened structure.

But even if Israel tries to limits the target set, it would still have to attack other facilities besides Natanz. For example, the newer Fordow fuel-enrichment plant near Qom, where Iran has already moved 3.5% enriched uranium from Natanz, is built into the side of a mountain and is heavily fortified. There is a uranium conversion plant at Isfahan, a heavy-water facility being constructed at Arak, and centrifuge factories outside Tehran.

The straight-line distance between Israel and Natanz is almost 1,000 miles. Since the countries do not share a common border, Israeli aircraft or missiles must fly through foreign — and hostile — airspace to get to the target.

The least risky method of striking Natanz is with Israel’s medium-range ballistic missiles, the Jericho II or III. It is believed that the Israeli missiles can reach Natanz. However, to travel that far the missiles will have a limited warhead weight, and it is doubtful that these warheads will be able to penetrate far enough underground to achieve the desired level of destruction.

Thus, an attack by the Israeli air force’s U.S.-made fighter-bomber aircraft is the most likely option. The Israelis have 25 F-15I and about 100 F-16I jets.

The F-15I is capable of carrying four metric tons of fuel in its internal tanks, conformal fuel tanks (CFT), and detachable tanks. This enables it to fly about 2,800 miles. With midair refueling, the range can be extended further.

The F-15I can carry a very wide range of weapons such as various guided missiles and bombs, as well as iron bombs. All in all, the plane can carry about 10 metric tons of munitions.

The F-16I has an extended flight range that reportedly allows Israeli forces to attack targets well within Iran without having to refuel. Use of could CFT extends its effective mission range up to 50 percent. The baseline model has a combat radius of 850 miles with two 2,000-pound bombs and two air-to-air missiles, with 1,040-gallon external tanks.

Assuming an air attack, the question is how will the aircraft fly from their bases in Israel to a target located 200 miles inside Iran?

They could go either through Saudi Arabia or Iraq, possibly even using Jordanian airspace as well. Either route is a one-way trip of about 860 miles.

To overfly Saudi Arabia the strike aircraft depart southern Israel, enter Saudi airspace from the Gulf of Aqaba or Jordan, fly 800 miles of Saudi airspace to the Gulf and then 300 miles into Iran.

Since the Israeli air force does not operate stealth aircraft, there is a reasonable expectation that at some point the aircraft will be detected over Saudi Arabia. Whether Saudi defenses could — or would — be able to stop the Israelis is uncertain. Given Saudi fears over Iran’s nuclear program, perhaps they would turn a blind eye and claim ignorance.

If they chose to traverse Iranian airspace, the strike aircraft depart southern Israel, cross 300 to 400 miles of Saudi airspace or a combination of Jordanian and Saudi airspace, and enter Iraqi airspace as soon as possible, continue across 500 miles of Iraq to the Persian Gulf and then on to the target.

Entering Iran from Iraqi airspace would be politically delicate. Although U.S. troops are no longer there, traversing Iraqi airspace would not be possible without the knowledge, and most likely the permission, of the United States.

The key question is whether Israel’s fighter-bombers can conduct this mission without refueling. Combat radius — the distance an aircraft can fly and return without refueling — is difficult to calculate and depends on weapons payload, external fuel tanks, mission profile, etc.

The best “guesstimate” of the combat radius of the F-15I and F-16I, outfitted with conformal fuel tanks, two external wing tanks and a decent weapons load, is almost 1,000 miles. Either of the two possible flight routes above is about 200 miles further than that. To make up for the shortfall, the aircraft could be fitted with an additional external fuel tank, but this will require a reduction in the weapons load. Given the accuracy of the weapons in the Israeli inventory, that might not be problematic.

However, if the aircraft are detected and intercepted, the pilots will have to jettison the tanks in order to engage their attackers. Dropping the tanks will prevent the aircraft from reaching their target.

Air refueling is a limitation for the Israelis. In recent years Israel has acquired five C-130 and four to seven Boeing 707 tanker aircraft. However, the tankers would have to refuel the fighters in hostile airspace. The 707 is a large unarmed aircraft and would be very vulnerable to air defenses.

Theoretically, the Israelis could do this, but at great risk of failure. If they decide to attack Natanz, they will have to inflict sufficient damage the first time — they probably will not be able to mount follow-on strikes at other facilities.

The ultimate question, of course, is once Israeli planes have flown back, won’t Iran be able to repair the damage and accelerate the nuclear program? Or do the Israelis assume that the U.S. will pick up where they left and start a long-term war with Iran?
 
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Who said that it will be an easy task? that is why it is the last resort only
 
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Who said that it will be an easy task? that is why it is the last resort only
Don't get it wrong.The only thing you are capable of is destroying a half-destroyed nuclear plant in a war torn country like Iraq in the middle of a bloody war.Also add attacking unarmed civilians with air force to the list.
 
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Don't get it wrong.The only thing you are capable of is destroying a half-destroyed nuclear plant in a war torn country like Iraq in the middle of a bloody war.Also add attacking unarmed civilians with air force to the list.

No. That is not their only capability. They can also bomb unarmed women and children by their F-16's and F-15's. That is what they are best at.
 
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Israel is a mixed country
Yes, thats beautiful.

with no real identity.
Our identity is simple: to be a free nation in our land.

regarding to Iran, that happened thousands of years ago and has nothing to do with today an we have again a powerful government and a INDEPENDENT one ;)
Your current government consists of Arab wannabees. They afraid from own people more than anything else. One day you will have a real independent government, which cares about Iran, not the Arabs.

Are F*** kiddin me?You bring an example of 1200 years ago?Are you on drugs?
You want more recent example? No problem: Israel defeated 3 Arab armies in 6 days. Iran failed to defeat 1 Arab army in 8 long years, despite losing half million people.
 
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Considering Israel couldnt beat a couple of thousands from Hezbollah's in their neighborhood, how could Israel attack country which is millions times stronger than Hezbollah, and is thousands of miles away? Its rhetorical question, answer is too obvious :azn:

P.S. Saudis wont give permission to use their airspace either, nor will Iraqis.
 
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Our identity is simple: to be a free nation in our land.
such as bombing palestinians and massacring 1000's of lebanese with american f16's ?

Your current government consists of Arab wannabees. They afraid from own people more than anything else. One day you will have a real independent government, which cares about Iran, not the Arabs.
your BS is repeated like a parrot only by those monarchist,communist Iranians on the internet. that feeling is not shared by the middle class Iranians inside Iran. Leaders of Iran come from all over the society, including the poor. Ahmadinejad is one of them.



You want more recent example? No problem: Israel defeated 3 Arab armies in 6 days. Iran failed to defeat 1 Arab army in 8 long years, despite losing half million people.
Israel didnt defeat anything, all your wars were fought by american taxpayers ;)

begin 80's started chaotic for Iran as we were in middle of a revolution and got caught by a surprise attack. We did quite well defending our land against the Arabs
 
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Considering Israel couldnt beat a couple of thousands from Hezbollah's in their neighborhood, how could Israel attack country which is millions times stronger than Hezbollah, and is thousands of miles away? Its rhetorical question, answer is too obvious :azn:

P.S. Saudis wont give permission to use their airspace either, nor will Iraqis.
Hezbollah was miserably beaten in 2006. They dont dare to fire a bullet towards Israel since then. Their leader hides like rat in bunker and their men are busy slaughtering civilians in Syria.

such as bombing palestinians and massacring 1000's of lebanese with american f16's ?
The rule is very simple: dont bomb us and we wont bomb u.

your BS is repeated like a parrot only by those monarchist,communist Iranians on the internet. that feeling is not shared by the middle class Iranians inside Iran. Leaders of Iran come from all over the society, including the poor. Ahmadinejad is one of them.
Why there is no free elections in Iran? Why no free press? Because your government afraids of people. Ahmadinejad is one of wannabe Arabs who cares about Arabs more than Iranians.

Israel didnt defeat anything, all your wars were fought by american taxpayers ;)
Israel started to recieve serrious Amerian aid only in 70-es. Yet we still defeated Arabs in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968-1970. On the other hand hundreeds of billions of oil money did not help you to defeat one Iraq.

begin 80's started chaotic for Iran as we were in middle of a revolution and got caught by a surprise attack. We did quite well defending our land against the Arabs
Excuses. In 1948 Israel was attacked when it had not regular army at all, not a single tank, cannon or fighter.
 
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Yes, thats beautiful.


Our identity is simple: to be a free nation in our land.


Your current government consists of Arab wannabees. They afraid from own people more than anything else. One day you will have a real independent government, which cares about Iran, not the Arabs.


You want more recent example? No problem: Israel defeated 3 Arab armies in 6 days. Iran failed to defeat 1 Arab army in 8 long years, despite losing half million people.


What you says about shooting down six jets of world best airforce in 1973 by Pakistani Pilots and what about saif ul azam ? Do you know his name ! If not go to some israeli war history museum;)
 
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You want more recent example? No problem: Israel defeated 3 Arab armies in 6 days. Iran failed to defeat 1 Arab army in 8 long years, despite losing half million people.
The Iraq that Iran fought with was ten times more powerful than all of Arab countries you fought together.At the beginning of the war,Iraq had 500 airplanes which Iran destroyed almost all of them,and at the end of war,Iraq had 1000 jet fighters with 1,000,000 additional soldiers and whole new military stuff.If Persian Gulf Arab countries hadn't give Iraq about $100 billions of aids,they would have lost after 2 years of the war.Iraq in 1980 and also 1990 had the most powerful army in the western Asia,even much more powerful than Israel.All of the western and eastern powers helped Iraq while Iran didn't even receive spare parts for it's jet fighters.If Israel had fought and won the war that Iran fought with Iraq,then you could claim something here.
Educate yourself.Iran actually won the war,because winning a war means you reach your goal and Iran's goal was to kick Iraqi Army out of Iranian territory and we did it in 2 years after beginning of the war.
 
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What you says about shooting down six jets of world best airforce in 1973 by Pakistani Pilots and what about saif ul azam ? Do you know his name ! If not go to some israeli war history museum;)
Israel lost 104 jets in 1973, all of them shot by Arabs not Pakistanis. It did not help them.

The Iraq that Iran fought with was ten times more powerful than all of Arab countries you fought together.
Nonsense. Egypt was always stronger than Iraq. In 1973 Iraqis sent their elite armor division to fight Israel. We destropyed it in half day virtually without loses.

Iran actually won the war,because winning a war means you reach your goal and Iran's goal was to kick Iraqi Army out of Iranian territory and we did it in 2 years after beginning of the war.
If you completed ur goal in first 2 years then why you kept fighting another 6 years? :lol:
 
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Israel lost 104 jets in 1973, all of them shot by Arabs not Pakistanis. It did not help them.


Nonsense. Egypt was always stronger than Iraq. In 1973 Iraqis sent their elite armor division to fight Israel. We destropyed it in half day virtually without loses.

If you completed ur goal in first 2 years then why you kept fighting another 6 years? :lol:

We continued the war because Khomeini believed that Saddam Hussein's regime should be toppled and Arab countries should be punished and after that Saddam refused to end the war.Saddam didn't fell but Arabs was taught a good lesson by spending a very very huge money for war and they didn't gain anything.This money caused Iraq to invade Kuwait because of huge debt that Iraq owed Kuwait for the aides they gave them during the war with Iran.You better know what Iraq did to Kuwait.

You can ask every member here,Iraq of 1980 was stronger or Egypt of 1973?Iraq never started a full scale war against Israel in 1973 ,however you can't even compare Iraq of 1973 with 1980.
 
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We continued the war because Khomeini believed that Saddam Hussein's regime should be toppled and Arab countries should be punished and after that Saddam refused to end the war.Saddam didn't fell but Arabs was taught a good lesson by spending a very very huge money for war and they didn't gain anything.This money caused Iraq to invade Kuwait because of huge debt that Iraq owed Kuwait for the aides they gave them during the war with Iran.You better know what Iraq did to Kuwait.

You can ask every member here,Iraq of 1980 was stronger or Egypt of 1973?Iraq never started a full scale war against Israel in 1973 ,however you can't even compare Iraq of 1973 with 1980.

The truth is Iran bankrupted Saddam by continuing the war and it only became evident when Saddam had to attack Kuwait in order to avoid his bankruptcy. If Iran had not continued the war, and had accepted the truce which called for Iran and Iraq to stop fighting without pointing out the aggressor party (Iraq) and call for reparations, then Iran would be greatly disadvantaged. First, Iraq would benefit from help from both USSR and USA while Iran would remain under sanctions. Saddam would become more powerful and in time attack Iran again. So the best option at the time was to continue it. Those who object to the continuation of the war should also remember that Allies never stopped the war even when they had thrown all Hitler's forces out of France. They did not stop when Hitler had sent his most senior General to Britain for negotiation of peace, where this General was imprisoned. So expecting Iran to give breathing space to Saddam is an idiocy.

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Israel lost 104 jets in 1973, all of them shot by Arabs not Pakistanis. It did not help them.


Nonsense. Egypt was always stronger than Iraq. In 1973 Iraqis sent their elite armor division to fight Israel. We destropyed it in half day virtually without loses.


If you completed ur goal in first 2 years then why you kept fighting another 6 years? :lol:

Hizbullah defeated Israel in 2006 so there is no comparison. They had also defeated you back in 2000. So that is two defeats in a decade by an informal army without even an air force. IDF is good for nothing.
 
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