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Israeli air force destroys another two Pantsir SAMs in Damascus

Idiotism is making blank statements, erroneously confusing video cameras with display monitors and not fully knowing what happened.
You idiot think that monitor can show video without cameras.

http://www.worldinwar.eu/pantsir-s1/

Modernized system for the Armed Forces and for export. Incorporates news tracking radar, 2 faced radars with enhanced features and range. In service with Russia and Algeria.

Unbelievable how you lie.....new Pantsirs have a new missile with more then double the range as well as increased detection range. Nice try.




The Pantsir-SM variant incorporates a multi-functional targeting station, increasing target detection range from 40 to 75 km (25 to 47 mi) and engagement range from 20 to 40 km (12 to 25 mi). The system also uses a new high-speed extended range missile.
Pantsir SM is not ready yet. Also increased range is pure nonsense. Because radio guided missiles are simply not effective at such ranges. In fact even 20 km is too big for radio guided missiles. In physics law. Thats why everyone use seekers today and only Russian propagandists are trying to sell WW2 radio guidance like some magic.

Also if you increase range to 40 km u need twise bigger booster. Means u increase twice a minimum range for Pantsir.


No you don't, 20,000-30,000 feet is plenty of altitude to drop glide bombs which would would take around 30 seconds or less for an F-16 to reach that altitude. Once they are dropped they would take a minutes to reach their intended targets, in the mean time Israel would give their advanced "warning" of a strike at that time F-16s would already be landing, well out of Pantsir reach and not enough time or altitude for S-200 be much of a threat.
Israel gives warning before releasing weapons.

Here is video screen grab from one Israeli bomb aimed at an empty Pantsir. From the other side another Israel missile impacts the Pantsir, so even from Israeli footage they use multiple missiles to attack a single Pantsir which indicates low first hit probability but continue to make absurdities about how it's normal to use countless missiles to strike a single air defense battery.
This video shows that Pantsir is successfully hit with two missiles. Pantsir failed to shot down both.

There is ZERO evidence that Pantsir managed to shoot down something EVER. Out of over 1000 missiles and bobs dropped on Assadists.


Apart from wreckage of Israeli missile I will just show this:

A missile exploded in the air and then you see an explosion on the ground which is 99% probably the Israeli warhead that failed to detonate when it was hit. Let me guess though, it's Assadist missile, Pantsir warhead magically explodes like 500lbs warhead. Other then that there is wreckage of Israeli bombs and F-16, but Syrian air defenses don't work and Israeli aircraft blitz Pantsirs with barrages of missiles for fun.
So we see two pics here:
1) SAM exploding in the air.
2) Explosion on the ground.

You really believe that it proof something? Explosion on the ground can be either Assad SAM hitting ground (which happens all the time), or Israeli missiles successfully hitting its target.

Out of over 1000 missiles and bombs dropped on Assadists fo far they managed to show only 1 shot down glide bomb. Thats fact.


No you are ignorant and can't read appearently. Learn the difference between a display monitor and a camera.

"There is no such thing as Pantsir cam. I doubt anyone would place video stands and camera equipment inside a crowded air defense batteries during when its under attack."



You mentioned a camera, and nothing about display monitors (don't put words in my mouth or try to wiggle your way out now) I then questioned as to why Syrians would place video cameras and equipment in a crowded air defense battery. If you read between the lines I was hinting as to why they would film their display monitors. I never denied Pantsir has display monitors, in fact I questioned why they would film them but it's amazing how poor of an argument you make and how you confuse simple terminology and then try to pin blame on me.
You idiot seriously believe that display can show video without camera? Even rebels with ancient OSA showed video of how they shoot down Assadist helicopter. But Assadists with newest super duper Pantsirs never could show a video shooting down anything.

This devide on top of Pantsir has 3 cameras actually:

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Narrow FOV CCD camera.
Wide FOV CCD camera.
Thermal image camera.

These cameras are tracking the target together with the radar.

Again stop with the embarrassing claims. No one attacks a SAM battery with 2 or 3 missiles simultaneously if 1 will do the job. Bombing a hill side is completely different from hitting a Pantsir. On a hill side there could be groups of enemy fighters hundreds of yards apart, its necessary to use multiple strikes in those situations---not nessesary to use a million missiles on a single air battery if you are 100% confident on a first hit.
Pantsir was destroyed by two missiles without being able to hit any of them. You consider it as big success and try to prove that it means that Pantsir is great. LOL.

Here one target in Gaza was attacked by two Spike missiles:


So wut?

You are again quoting Israeli figures, which have been known to make grand lies during war time. Also even if we take Israeli claims at face value, Israel destroyed hundreds of Arab aircraft on the ground. Nothing to do with technology but rather planning and training. Ask some Pakistani pilots about superior Israeli technology and pilots.
In Yom Kippur war Israel lost 102 jets, Arab loses are between 340-500 jets. Thats your biggest success ever that makes u wet in the pants.
 
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And also remember that even if we agree that ISrael has been succesfully attacking Syrian and Iranian targets, the real question is- What have these strikes achieved? In the short term, there's been material damage, but in the long term, there will be no effect.
Past 12 years our North border is calmest ever .

Israel has no real war endurance. If 100K soldiers from Hezbollah, SAA and IRGC engage ISrael, the first thing ISrael will do is call US. i can bet every last $ on that. ISrael fought HEzbollah for 30 days and was asking US for resupply of smart bombs, so no doubt, even 50K islamic soldiers fighting ISrael wil mean Netanyahu flying to DC for "weapons stimulus". Iran knows this, and this is why ISraeli military technology only goes so far- when your enemy has a serious quantitative edge over you, your qualitative edge is eroded. WIthout US support, Iran will start war of attrition to wear Israel down yesterday.
1) There are no any 100 K not even close.
2) Hezbollah has around 12 K. They are quite well trained and equipped with modern ATGMs, MANPADS and so on. But their offensive capability is very very limited. When they attacked Quseir village in Syria they were literally slaughtered by local peasants armed with rusty AK. Then they retreated and leveled Quseir with artillery and air force to the ground.
3) There are also around 20 K Shia mercenaries from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan etc. They are very low quality trash who are only good in robing and stealing.

Overall the situation is very bad for Iran and Hezbollah. They have huge economic problems which are going to grow.
 
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There will no Jews at end times.
Its written in holy books.

In holy Quran [17:1-17:7 ,17:76], bible and Torah.

In year 2022 there will be zero Jews remained in Palestine.

What Holy Quran says about Jews (the worst enemies of beilevers will be finished in 2022):

http://www.alargam.com/english/10/2.htm

Hadith of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) about Jews (people of Khorasan (Khorasan = Iran) will finish Jews in Quds):

http://www.discoveringislam.org/end_of_israel.htm

https://www.al-islam.org/an-overview-of-mahdi-s-government-najimuddin-tabasi/soldiers-imam-al-mahdi

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israel has completely destroyed all iranian infrastructure in syria.russia urged iran to send back it's commanders to iran from syria but they aren't understanding.now iranian interference is causing destruction of both iranian and syrian military assets.i don't know what iran wants? what is the point? war in syria is over.iran backed assad wins.now leave the territory.israel will not allow anyone closer to its border.israel is small but it can do anything to attack iran.iran should go back.
 
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israel has completely destroyed all iranian infrastructure in syria.russia urged iran to send back it's commanders to iran from syria but they aren't understanding.now iranian interference is causing destruction of both iranian and syrian military assets.i don't know what iran wants? what is the point? war in syria is over.iran backed assad wins.now leave the territory.israel will not allow anyone closer to its border.israel is small but it can do anything to attack iran.iran should go back.



For 40+ years Iran has never retreated against it's enemies. If Iran retreat(it will be impossible) there will be many more civil wars in Syria and israel and the US will try to destroy entire resistance axis and make a heaven for security of greater israel from Egypt to Iraq. They will simply squish Arabs for security of israel.
 
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Past 12 years our North border is calmest ever .
Yes its calm,......before the storm.

1) There are no any 100 K not even close.
It is EASILY 100K. PMU in Iraq is already 30-50K easy. so wtf are you talking about?

2) Hezbollah has around 12 K. They are quite well trained and equipped with modern ATGMs, MANPADS and so on. But their offensive capability is very very limited. When they attacked Quseir village in Syria they were literally slaughtered by local peasants armed with rusty AK. Then they retreated and leveled Quseir with artillery and air force to the ground.
12K is probably active regular troops. Hezbollah used ~4K in the 2006 war, BOGGED DOWN THE IDF with that , and didnt even call in reservists. your troops cant mash them. accept it.

3) There are also around 20 K Shia mercenaries from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan etc. They are very low quality trash who are only good in robing and stealing.
20K? ha ha ...why are you using alternative facts, and unconventional statistics to deceive PDF members? Iran easily can field 50-100K soldiers from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan etc. have you forgotten NDF from syria that Iran trained up and has 100K members? They are powerful because they are : 1) trained very well, by the most effective asymmetrical warfare master in the world- Iran(fact!). 2) act under 1 unified command and 3) highly motivated and ideological. 5K hezbollah makes your army request more PGMs from US and reservists. u cant fight.

Overall the situation is very bad for Iran and Hezbollah. They have huge economic problems which are going to grow.
The situation for IRan and Hezbollah LOOKs bad, but its not really bad. Long term wise, Iran is growing in regional and military strength, US sanctions have not been a death knell for IRan(that was instigate because no military plan would work in the first place).

Why do you LIE so much?
 
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It is EASILY 100K. PMU in Iraq is already 30-50K easy. so wtf are you talking about?
Who cares what is in Iraq?

12K is probably active regular troops. Hezbollah used ~4K in the 2006 war, BOGGED DOWN THE IDF with that , and didnt even call in reservists. your troops cant mash them. accept it.
1) 12 K is with reservists.
2) In 2006 war they did not make a single offensive operation (besides attacking border patrol which started the war). Al they did is sitting in villages and firing rockets.
3) Still ratio of killed was 1/4 in favor of Israel.

Great victory.

20K? ha ha ...why are you using alternative facts, and unconventional statistics to deceive PDF members? Iran easily can field 50-100K soldiers from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan etc. have you forgotten NDF from syria that Iran trained up and has 100K members? They are powerful because they are : 1) trained very well, by the most effective asymmetrical warfare master in the world- Iran(fact!). 2) act under 1 unified command and 3) highly motivated and ideological. 5K hezbollah makes your army request more PGMs from US and reservists. u cant fight.
No they can't bring 100 K. Even supporting 20K is expensive for Iran. They economics is cracked. And even if they brought 100 K of low qualitty trash they will became only a cannon fodder. Literally.

The situation for IRan and Hezbollah LOOKs bad, but its not really bad. Long term wise, Iran is growing in regional and military strength, US sanctions have not been a death knell for IRan(that was instigate because no military plan would work in the first place).
Iran's economic problems are growing. Oil will be never 120$ again. They need to spend billions each year just to prolong Assad regime agony.

Assad army will never be as strong as in 2011. Never ever.
 
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