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Israel Would Have Us Believe That These People Are Terrorists

How can YOU completely glaze over the fact that Palestinians are under harsh illegal and inhumane sanctions and that Israel is terrorizing and destroying Palestinians' lives on a daily basis? Destroying their houses, farms, olive trees. Every day stealing more Palestinian lands. Preventing medicine and basic needs from reaching Palestinian civilians is not TERRORISM and a crime against humanity to you? What did you expect Hamas to do? Is it ok to terrorize Palestinian civilians daily, but "very evil" to fire a few primitive rockets (because they are under sanctions and have no real weapons) which are more like toys that usually don't even hit anything? Don't you know that this is how Zionist and western propaganda works? Do you have a brain and heart?

If someone destroys your house, your farm, your livelihood. Would you fight back?

Why didnt Egypt and Jordan give independence to Palestine when they controlled that area from 1948 - 1967?

Egypt ruled Gaza for 18 years, why was it considered part of the Egyptian Territory?

Why didnt they create an independent Palestinian State? Same with Jordan ruling the West Bank. Its only after 1967 that Jordan relinqueshed rights over West Bank.

So in other words, if Israel had never existed, Palestine would be nothing more than Provinces under Jordan and Egypt.
 
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You can't reason with people who seem to have some sort of brain damage, absolutely amazing. Western media propaganda does that to you.

Your lands are violently stolen. As each day passes your lands become smaller and smaller. Your houses are destroyed in the process; your water stolen, your farms, your entire livelihood gets destroyed. And yet you are seen as the aggressor. I've got to admit that western and zionist propaganda has been extremely successful indeed.
 
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Why didnt Egypt and Jordan give independence to Palestine when they controlled that area from 1948 - 1967?

Egypt ruled Gaza for 18 years, why was it considered part of the Egyptian Territory?

Why didnt they create an independent Palestinian State? Same with Jordan ruling the West Bank. Its only after 1967 that Jordan relinqueshed rights over West Bank.

So in other words, if Israel had never existed, Palestine would be nothing more than Provinces under Jordan and Egypt.

History tells us Muslims never cared for who is holding the land unless they were non muslims-
 
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Why didnt Egypt and Jordan give independence to Palestine when they controlled that area from 1948 - 1967?

Egypt ruled Gaza for 18 years, why was it considered part of the Egyptian Territory?

Why didnt they create an independent Palestinian State? Same with Jordan ruling the West Bank. Its only after 1967 that Jordan relinqueshed rights over West Bank.

So in other words, if Israel had never existed, Palestine would be nothing more than Provinces under Jordan and Egypt.

What is your point?
It doesn't matter much if Palestine is independent state or belongs to Egypt and Jordan. As long as its in Arab lands and specially al-Quds.
 
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So In your opinion who is responsible for the fate of Palestinians? I guess I know what's going to be your answer but sill want to hear it from your own mouth.

Btw, I am amazed to see such a huge change in your views in a span of like few posts. Earlier you were their sympathizer calling them stone throwers in that Roman-Urdu post of yours and now you are calling them terrorists. The only thing constant in the two post is use of Zionists or Zionazis. :lol:

Sympathize with who?? I said I sympathize with the Palestinians, you should have translated my whole post. Here I will do it for you, "I said fine I will admit the bastard hamas fired rockets into Israel but Israel responds with way too much force. In America if someone punches you and you respond by shooting them in the face you will not get off with self defense that will be called excessive force. If someone came into your home you would respond with whatever weapons you had to defend yourself. The Palestinians kids throw rocks and get shot in return. Look at who is dead in those pictures, can these children harm the Zionists?
Is this justice, the rest of the world is just silent on the issue but when I point it out I am labelled a terrorist by people like ptex.

So now who is to blame?? Hamas because they were elected to serve Palestinians and have done nothing but harm them and hide in caves when the hammer drops. However the zionazis purposely respond with excessive force and only the palestinians suffer. Do you not think the Zionists know they aren't going to kill anyone substantial with this foolish aerial bombings?? They killed that one Hamas leader because Hamas did not think the hammer was going to come down but now that they know I am sure they are already well dug in. So why continue the conflict, it makes no sense.

What will be the fate of the Palestinians?? Well I do not know, all I do know is that there will be no two state solution.

Do not be amazed I have always called out both Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists who do no good. Ptex thinks anyone who supports Palestinians is a terrorist. You can support the Palestinians without supporting Hamas, he sees them as one and the same.
 
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The same thing happened with the Turkish ship incident. The UN report stated the Zionazis acted in self defense but used excessive force. That makes no fu*king sense you cannot have both it is either one or the other. They basically said the Zionists murdered the civilians but played with the wording to try and justify it.
 
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What is your point?
It doesn't matter much if Palestine is independent state or belongs to Egypt and Jordan. As long as its in Arab lands and specially al-Quds.

Of course it matters.

It boils down the question whether the Palestinian are a distinct and unique people.

If they are not, then shouldn't Egypt consider Gaza part of Egypt and the Gazans as egyptians?

Same with the Arabs living in West Bank, Jordan should consider then as Jordanians.
 
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Of course it matters.

It boils down the question whether the Palestinian are a distinct and unique people.

If they are not, then shouldn't Egypt consider Gaza part of Egypt and the Gazans as egyptians?

Same with the Arabs living in West Bank, Jordan should consider then as Jordanians.

That is the three state solution. This has already been suggested and shot down by Jordanians.
The Jordanians do not want to take on the burden of all those citizens. Especially their King, last time his father murdered Palestinians because he felt they threatened his authority.
 
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Excuse Me While I Vomit

By Alan Hart

November 15, 2012 "Information Clearing House" - I imagine I am not the only one who feels the need to vomit (dictionary definition - “to throw up the contents of the stomach through the mouth”) when Israel’s Goebbels justifies the Zionist state’s ferocious and monstrously disproportionate attacks by air and sea on the Israeli-blockaded Gaza Strip, the prison camp which is home to 1.5 million besieged and mainly impoverished Palestinians. The Israeli to whom I am referring is, of course, Australian-born Mark Regev, the prime minister’s spokesman, for which read spin doctor. The more I see and hear him in action, the more it seems to me that he makes Nazi Germany’s propaganda chief look like an amateur.

In a piece for The Observer on 6 June 2010, Ruth Sutherland wrote the following. “If the men from Mars ever wanted to manufacture a PR man, they would model their robot on Regev. No matter how formidable the interviewer, or how aggressive the questioning, he never buckles under pressure. His disarming Aussie accent and unfailing politeness - he calls interviewers ‘Sir’ and uses phrases like ‘I beg to disagree’ - almost lulls listeners into overlooking his aggression. He is always regretful about death and horror - he regrets that the non-Israeli victims brought their fate on themselves. Viewers are reduced to a trance of slack-jawed amazement at what he is prepared to say with a straight face. He is unlikely to win sceptics to Israel’s cause, but as a PR performer he is horribly compelling.”

Compelling he certainly is but, as Sutherland indicated (I will be more explicit), only to Westerners and Americans in particular who have been conditioned for decades by Zionist propaganda and, as a consequence, know nothing or little worth knowing about the truth of history as it relates to the making and sustaining of the conflict in and over Palestine that became Israel.

In the immediate aftermath of Israel’s targeted assassination of Hamas’s military commander, Ahmed al-Jabari, Regev was at his best. Via the BBC and many other networks his main message to the Western nations was that Israel is just like them - democratic and civilized. “I would ask them all,” he said, “how would you act?” (respond to rocket fire from “terrorists”). By obvious implication he was saying something very like, “You would take all necessary action against the terrorists to defend and protect your people, and that’s why I am sure you will understand and support what we are doing.”

The flaw in that presentation is that Israel is NOT like the Western nations. It is a brutal occupying power, and the cause of the incoming rockets is its occupation and on-going colonization and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and its blockade of the Gaza Strip. That plus the fact that Israel’s leaders have no interest in peace on terms the Palestinians could accept.

Regev also appealed for Western understanding and support on the grounds that “they” (Hamas) say my country should be wiped off the map.”

That’s one of the many big, fat Zionist propaganda lies. The truth is that Hamas is firmly on the record with the statement that while it will never recognize Israel’s right to exist, it is prepared to live in peace with an Israel inside its 1967 borders.

Regev’s master, Netanyahu, was also up to his old tricks - diverting attention. He played the Iranian nuclear threat card to get Palestine off the international community’s agenda. With Israel’s next election less than 70 days away, one of his reasons for authorizing Operation Pillar of Defense was, as a report in The Times of Israel put it, “to divert public discourse from social justice to security issues and silence the government’s critics.”

The Mossad’s motto is “By way of deception, thou shall do war.”

Netanyahu obviously believes that by way of deception he can not only retain power but emerge from Israel’s next election with more power than ever. (Enough to tell Obama to go to hell if that ever becomes necessary).

The support (by default if not design) of Western governments for Israel’s latest ferocious and monstrously disproportionate attacks also makes me want to vomit.

Excuse me while I vomit
 
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That is the three state solution. This has already been suggested and shot down by all parties concerned.

In 1967, thats how the geographies was aligned.

Any chance of peace to work, things need to go back to what they were in 1967.

Israel is committing suicide by trying to retain control over the occupied territories.

In 10 years, Arabs wll be the majority and you will have the minority Jews over-ruling majority Arab population. Not even the most ardent defenders of Israel can then fail to stop the comprisons to Apartheid South Africa.

For Israel to surivive, it has to get the hell out of West Bank, dismantle its settlements, and share Jersualaem.

Palestinians on the other hand have to stop dreaming of their right of return as it will never happen.
 
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In 1967, thats how the geographies was aligned.

Any chance of peace to work, things need to go back to what they were in 1967.

Israel is committing suicide by trying to retain control over the occupied territories.

In 10 years, Arabs wll be the majority and you will have the minority Jews over-ruling majority Arab population. Not even the most ardent defenders of Israel can then fail to stop the comprisons to Apartheid South Africa.

For Israel to surivive, it has to get the hell out of West Bank, dismantle its settlements, and share Jersualaem.

Palestinians on the other hand have to stop dreaming of their right of return as it will never happen.

The Zionists have already declared Jerusalem as their capital, they do not want to go back to pre 1967 borders.
 
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Again for the braindead:

"The cause of the incoming rockets is its occupation and on-going colonization and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and its blockade of the Gaza Strip. That plus the fact that Israel’s leaders have no interest in peace on terms the Palestinians could accept."


1) Ongoing occupation = terror

2) Expanding the occupied lands by stealing even more land daily = more terror

3) Destroying Palestinian homes, farms, trees, electricity, stealing drinking water = more terror

3) Blockade of the Gaza strip = pure terror

4) Israel does not and has never wanted peace = terror state



In response to all of this, Hamas fires a few primitive rockets? Oh my God, how evil!!! Poor Israelis!!!
 
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Isn't it clever this way: Say the Shahadah, and boom - you're in. Forever. If you try to leave, you will be killed.

What better word to convey the near-instantaneous nature of conversion by saying the Shahadah?

keep all these propaganda to yourself, do you have facts to back it up?

I do not understand why they are so scared, it is an anonymous forum yet these guys act like Muslims. Just admit it, VCheng ain't nobody going to kill you.

Someone brought up Judaism, and VCheng bashed Islam to which you thanked him and responded. If I ever did proselytize the mods would have banned me by now, I only respond to foolish posts by idiots like you. However you have already revealed yourself just admit you are not Muslim and we can put this to bed.

Please note that nowhere have I bashed Islam or any other religion.

My post is factually correct.

All is takes to convert to Islam is to say the Shahadah, and the prescribed punishment for a murtad is death.

from: Shahada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A single honest recitation of the shihādah in Arabic is all that is required for a person to become a Muslim.

from: Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The majority of Muslim scholars hold to the traditional view that apostasy is punishable by death or imprisonment until repentance, at least for adult men of sound mind.
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Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 or Qur'an 4:89 [44] states that "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they (Apostate) turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them". This command to kill or slay is in all mainstream translations.[45] Furthermore it is Qur'an 4:89 that is often quoted in Sharia courts as justification for the execution of an Apostate.[46]

PS: I am a Muslim.
 
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