What's new

Israel won't accept less than total halt of Iran's nuclear enrichment

Israel likes to be the sole nuclear power in the region. That's why it bombed both Iraq and Syria facilities.

Israel knows its an illegal state hence the fear. They should let others live peacfully and live peacfully itself.

every country has the right to have a nuclear weapon
 
Israel Fears Losing Nuclear Monopoly, Talks of War with Iran


Until recently, Israelis — leaders and citizens alike — avoided discussing in public the issue of a nuclear Iran. Such discussion was viewed as off-limits — an extension of the nation’s nuclear taboo, which holds that on nuclear matters, silence is golden. Indeed, this was the practice before Israel destroyed the Iraqi Osirak reactor in 1981 and then a quarter of a century later when Israel bombed the North Korean reactor in Syria in 2007. In both cases, no national debate preceded military action; in the Syrian case, nobody even knew what the strike was about for months.



This code of silence was shattered last June when former Mossad chief Meir Dagan decided to voice his serious concerns that the Israeli leadership — primarily Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Minister of Defense Ehud Barak — was pushing the country into a dangerous and unnecessary war with Iran.

Dagan’s claims had a deep impact. In fairness, the discussion was initially not about the pros and cons of such an attack, but about the power struggle and behind-the-scenes domestic politics of such an attack. In response, senior members of the government, especially Barak, angrily denounced Dagan’s claims as false and irresponsible. It was at that point that the Israeli military censorship — the only institution that has the legal power to control such public discussion — effectively gave up enforcing silence on the Iranian subject.

In a recent interview with New York Times Magazine, Barak shattered the remains of the old taboo. Never before has an Israeli leader in office articulated so openly the case in favor of military action against Iran, including specifying the conditions that should be satisfied in order for Israel to take such action. Never before has an Israeli leader invoked a timetable for how long Israel could wait until Iran enters an “immunity zone,” where such action becomes militarily impossible. Finally, never before has an Israel leader created such a close (if implicit) linkage between Israeli military action and an American election.

Evidently, Barak was determined to convey a powerful and dramatic message: If no other means could stop the Iranian nuclear program before it reached that “immunity zone,” Israel will have to do the job on its own. It is a national obligation that Israel cannot escape from; Jewish history will not forgive Israel if it walks away from it. As Barak put it, if Israel (or the rest of the world) waits too long, “the question will remain very important, but it will become purely theoretical...[It will] pass out of our hands — the statesmen and decision-makers — and into yours — the journalists and historians.”

Barak’s message left the interviewer (and many of his readers) under the impression that war between Israel and Iran this year is nearly inevitable. Yet the arguments that Barak invoked to support the message were far from convincing. First, he argued, there is a concern over a new wave of proliferation if Iran is allowed to become a nuclear state. Second, there is the risk that a nuclear Iran would limit Israel’s freedom of action in the region.

The trouble with these arguments is that they are speculative, abstract and ultimately lack supportive evidence. Similar nightmares about a cascade of proliferation were voiced in the past, especially in the early to mid-1960s, but never materialized. These arguments are even weaker when weighed against current Iranian nuclear policy. While Iran defies and challenges the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), it insists on remaining within the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) as a non-nuclear state, claiming that what it does is consistent with its legal obligations under the NPT. Despite four rounds of UN Security Council sanctions and countless IAEA reports that raised all sorts of questions about Iranian cooperation, Iran has not been declared in material violation of the NPT. It is doubtful that Barak’s scenarios are going to materialize under the present trajectory.

However, current Iranian nuclear policy sheds light on Barak’s real concern, a concern which he avoids uttering in public. Iran’s nuclear opacity policy — similar in some ways to Israel’s own posture — is unacceptable to Israeli leaders because it undermines, and ultimately erodes, Israel’s own regional nuclear monopoly.

It is this strategic asset, which took Israel decades to build and is now so closely associated with Israel’s image as the most powerful country in the region, that Barak and Netanyahu are loathe to compromise. Israel without a nuclear monopoly is like the biblical Samson without his hair. To shield its monopoly, Israel must demonstrate national resolve, including the willingness to risk a full-blown war with Iran. There are certain ironies here. One is that an Israeli military strike on Iran is most likely to generate the opposite results that it intends to produce. An attack will likely unify many Iranians and could transform Iran’s nuclear policy from cautious and opaque into a full formal withdrawal from the NPT and open declaration of its right to possess nuclear weapons.

Another irony is that an Israeli attack would inevitably force Iran to make a nuclear decision. As of now, most analysts believe that Iran has not yet formally decided whether to actually build weapons or only develop a credible breakup option. For the time being, it appears that the Iranian default plan is to maintain the status quo and not to be forced to make a decision. After all, by being perceived by others as so close to the bomb, Iran already gets some deterrence benefits and yet can still stay within the NPT and declare that its program is peaceful. To keep a virtual (but credible) breakout capability from within the NPT is almost as good for Iran as having actual nuclear weapons and yet gives Iran some political flexibility. An Israeli military strike on Iran, regardless of the damage, would most likely push Iran to make an explicit decision to become a full-blown open nuclear-weapons state.


Read more: Israel Fears Losing Nuclear Monopoly, Talks of War with Iran - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
 
1.It seems like Jews and extremist Saudi Sunni are again writing lies about the "12th Imam" mythology to try to scare people. Like I said before it seems like these people make a lot of $$ writing this nonsense.

2.Saudi Arabia wont get the bomb, because it would be too costly for them, they will not survive under sanctions.
No, Saudis wont, cause their masters wont risk it for a dictator who in any minute may end up fallen. and without U.S help, they wont be able to produce even a screw.
 
Do you want a nuclear powered neighbor added to the roster? Lets be honest..even IF your neighbor has the disposition of a milk fed newly born you do not want them going nuclear. Why? Becuase geo-politics works that way, just because there are no rivalries at present doesn't mean that there are no causative agents for said tensions..it just means that there is not enough incentive and not enough capability/scope to afford such tensions. Add nukes to that mix and EVERYTHING can change. And IF Iran goes nuclear so will KSA..think along those lines..their rivalry will definitely go up a notch..will they settle said rivalry in their own lands or somewhere else....

Remind me , Dillinger , how many times have we gone to war after becoming nuclear powers ? Never , right ? Despite the fact that we engaged in a single low intensity conflict and still support fight proxy ways or fuel insurgency in each other countries but we never have the courage to go to a conventional full blown war , because we know what it may lead to . You know very well the stability-instability paradox and the ' supposed rationality ' of nuclear powers . The deterrence is powerful and the stakes just too high . Now , Iran has the ' capability ' to build a nuclear bomb , we all know that . Sooner or later , the hostile neighborhood will force them to make it , if not already . Is anything that can be done to stop the nuclear race that will start soon in Middle East . Most likely , the Kingdom will make or get one and provide the GCC with an umbrella . Do you think that they will go to war after this ? Let the rivalry go up a notch , if it hasn't already and not caused enough bloodshed throughout the history . What exact place will be left to settle scores ? But think of the rationality the doomsday weapons brought to the mix .

The geopolitics is complicated , let there be no doubt and for now , both Iran and Kingdom aren't the enemies , that has the potential to change in future , there being nothing permanent in International politics . But , for now , we have no concerns since when they become a nuclear power , they will learn to act like one .
 
Remind me , Dillinger , how many times have we gone to war after becoming nuclear powers ? Never , right ? Despite the fact that we engaged in a single low intensity conflict and still support fight proxy ways or fuel insurgency in each other countries but we never have the courage to go to a conventional full blown war , because we know what it may lead to . You know very well the stability-instability paradox and the ' supposed rationality ' of nuclear powers . The deterrence is powerful and the stakes just too high . Now , Iran has the ' capability ' to build a nuclear bomb , we all know that . Sooner or later , the hostile neighborhood will force them to make it , if not already . Is anything that can be done to stop the nuclear race that will start soon in Middle East . Most likely , the Kingdom will make or get one and provide the GCC with an umbrella . Do you think that they will go to war after this ? Let the rivalry go up a notch , if it hasn't already and not caused enough bloodshed throughout the history . What exact place will be left to settle scores ? But think of the rationality the doomsday weapons brought to the mix .

The geopolitics is complicated , let there be no doubt and for now , both Iran and Kingdom aren't the enemies , that has the potential to change in future , there being nothing permanent in International politics . But , for now , we have no concerns since when they become a nuclear power , they will learn to act like one .

Iran would have never fought a war with you anyway. Enter the nukes and escalated proxy warfare becomes very tempting...who is more vulnerable..them? They have been duking it out with the full might of the KSA for a VERY long time..or you..BOTH nations have already played their games in your nation..a move which will obviously embolden Iran will not be very good for you..but ya its not some sort of a casus belli for Pakistan either..it that's what someone might think I am asserting.
 
yeah Iran take that to a bank, you thought Israel will accept partial halt of your nuclear program didnt you...not the case, total halt mean zero electrons flying in Iranian air space...now hurry before Israel gets more upset and ask you to double halt
 
As I see the situation, it's out of Israel control which frustrates the strongman Netanyahu of course. What could Israel do that it hasn't done already, except for gambling on an attack which according to some is not within their capacity anymore.
 
Yes, I think that we have to accept that the Iranian regime believes that it must have nuclear weapons to protect itself, i.e. its theocratic revolution, from us (the USA). Now, of course if they finally have them, then the Sunni powers will have to match them. So, the unintended consequence of Iran getting nuclear weapons may be that a Shite-Sunni nuclear conflict occurs.

I think we should accept Iranian nuclear weapons and trust that the internal contradictions of their theocratic state will eventually lead to "regime" change within the next two generations.

To be honest , I see no power in them , They're just Puppets .
 
As I see the situation, it's out of Israel control which frustrates the strongman Netanyahu of course. What could Israel do that it hasn't done already, except for gambling on an attack which according to some is not within their capacity anymore.

This is why they are crying and running to uncle Sam, begging them to do something...
 
This is why they are crying and running to uncle Sam, begging them to do something...

That's right. Using an atomic missile like Solomon2 suggests is one however, but at the highest cost. Which in the end can end up as a self fulfilling prophecy. Although Netanyahu can seem insane I don't think he would do that.
 
suunis have one... let shias have one now ! That might reduce the slaughtewring of Shias in pakistan and Syria and other ME countries !
 
Back
Top Bottom