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its funny and amazing that you are hyper obsessed with Iran, but never mind your business or focus on your country, just like i've told you before. Mind your business, may be next time Hamas wont wipe their butt with you guys next time. obviously while you were focused on Iran hamas was there deceiving you and changing the whole equation..your only tool is collctive punishment, a war crime, but it doesnt work anymore..nobody will let u bomb them till their country is destroyed and yours is not...you and US are back to square 1 - with no leverage against must crudely teched out militaries. LMAOOO
I am obsessed with Iran? I never come to Iranian forum, but Iranians come in droves to threads with Israel and shed crocodile tears for Sunni Arabs in Gaza although they supported slaughter, torture, starvation, gassing and ethnic cleansing of 13 million Sunni Arabs in Syria. Same comes to you. You guys are hypocrite to the core.

As for wiping butt, you seriously think that launching rockets at Israeli civilians while hiding behind own civilians is great victory? Well what to expect from Khamenaist who supports starving and barrel bombing millions of kids for sake of one inbred dictator.
 
LOL this crazy bastard Netanyahu isn't even surviving his next term.
 
I am obsessed with Iran? I never come to Iranian forum, but Iranians come in droves to threads with Israel and shed crocodile tears for Sunni Arabs in Gaza although they supported slaughter, torture, starvation, gassing and ethnic cleansing of 13 million Sunni Arabs in Syria. Same comes to you. You guys are hypocrite to the core.

As for wiping butt, you seriously think that launching rockets at Israeli civilians while hiding behind own civilians is great victory? Well what to expect from Khamenaist who supports starving and barrel bombing millions of kids for sake of one inbred dictator.
Yes just like bibi you are a Iran Iran Iran and let throw khumenist when actually you are like a little Hitler. Bibis little ss trooper. 1000 year reich chanter
 
Some fabrications and fallacies repeated in this thread, and a little debunking of each:

* "In 2021 they decided to use their rockets in which they invested billions of dollars" "Biillions of Iranian dollars were wasted to kill 5 Israeli Jewish civilians. Tens of millions of Iranians became poor, lost jobs, died from lack of medical services, became drug edicts and escorts for Israeli tourists in Dubai. All these sacrifices were done to kill 5 Israeli Jewish civilians"

3440 rockets were fired at Isra"el" during the latest war on Gaza. According to this user here, it cost Iran "billions of dollars". 2 billion divided by 3440 = 581.395,35 USD. So the user is claiming that each single rocket cost over half a million USD for Iran to produce and smuggle into Gaza! If this is not nonsensical, I don't know what is.

Also, notice the contrasts in the user's discourse: later on, he claims Iran "lost zero [soldiers] fighting Israel". Yet, here he openly reckons that the US sanctions imposed on Iran are due to Iran's support for the Palestinian Resistance, and that these sanctions killed Iranians because they made it impossible for Iran to import certain medicines. This is not only akin to admitting that resisting Isra"el" will cause one to be subjected to criminal sanctions which result in the deaths of civilians, but also that Iran lost citizens (soldiers or not) in the fight against the zionist regime.

* "Hezbollah started the 2006 war"

Hezbollah conducted a limited operation to capture two or three Isra"el"i troops in order to be able to exchange them against Lebanese prisoners held by the zionist regime. Hezbollah had done this in the past, and never before had it led to a full blown war. So in 2006 as well, Hezbollah could not have expected the operation to result in all out bombing of and ground invasion of Lebanon by the zionist regime.

* "Hezbollah's goal in this operation was to liberate the Sheeba Farms"

Wrong. See above. Prisoner exchange was the goal, and actual war was not aimed at by Hezbollah.

* "Israel was victorious in the 2006 war"

Multiple serious studies, and even the zionist regime's own Winograd Commission, concluded that Tel Aviv failed in reaching its objectives, which included destroying or decisively incapacitating the Lebanese Resistance, not simply "pacifying the border" as was claimed here.

* "Iran lost hundreds of thousands of men fighting Muslims"

Because Iran was attacked and invaded by a Muslim-majority country, namely Saddam's Iraq, genius. Not Iran's fault, she had to push back the aggressor. Legitimate defense. And it was a large scale war between two large armies. And Iran was under arms embargo by both eastern and western blocs. Hence the casualties.

* "Iran lost nobody fighting Israel"

Even if it was true, so what? The fact remains that Iran is fighting the regime in Tel Aviv through Lebanon's Hezbollah and the Resistance in Palestine.

Besides, the statement that Iran suffered no casualties in fighting the zionists is false. As early as 1982, four Iranian diplomats were abducted by the zionist regime's Phalangist proxies in south Lebanon and transferred into Isra"el"i captivity, never to be seen again. Among them was the heroic war veteran Ahmad Motevaselian.

Then we have the almost 14.000 Iranians killed in terrorist attacks since 1979, including at the hands of groups backed by Isra"el"'s Mossad (some of these terrorist groups were led by former opponents to the shah regime who had secretly been recruited as undercover agents by the shah's infamous SAVAK secret service - a Mossad-trained and -controlled agency; after the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the fall of the shah, a high-ranking SAVAK officer, Parviz Sabeti, took refuge in Isra"el", from where he directed some of these infiltrators against the Islamic Republic).

In addition to ordinary Iranians, a democratically elected president, shahid Raja'i, as well as dozens of leading figures of the Revolution including shahid ayatollah Beheshti and shahid ayatollah Qoddusi were assassinated by such infiltrated saboteurs, who most probably were being handled by the Mossad.

And more recently, Iran lost several nuclear scientists to zionist state terrorism.

* "Khamenaists"

There is no such thing as a "Khamenaist". In order to have "-ism" attached to one's name, one ought to have founded a new political ideology. However, Supreme Leader Khamenei did not institute an ideology of his own, rather is he following the revolutionary ideology of Imam Khomeini. Therefore, the correct term would be Khomeinist, since Imam Khamenei himself is a Khomeinist.

Nevertheless, most of those whom this person calls "Khamenaist", aren't actually Khomeinists. The user is simply throwing this around as an ad hominem epithet.

* User claiming he is not obsessed with Iran, and citing the fact that he (practically) never posts in the Iranian section as evidence. A lame argument, when some 80% (educated guess) of his 16.000+ posts on this forum are dedicated to demonizing Iran. So yes, there is an obvious maniacal focus on Iran by this user. However, it is not so much personal obsession than fulfillment of an agenda or mission.

* "Iran committed genocide in Syria"

Bollocks. First of all, Iran had perhaps at most 5000 forces in Syria at any given time, and that's certainly not enough to commit any sort of a "genocide" on nearly 15 million people.

Secondly, as for the Syrian government, if its goal was to conduct "genocide" against Syrian citizens of Sunni Muslim faith, then president Assad would have started by having his own wife, a Sunni Muslim, killed. He would have started with the 20% of generals in the SAA who are Sunni Muslims. He would first have gone after the approximately 50% of SAA troops who are Sunni Muslims.

He would have begun with the millions of Sunni Muslims who to this day are living peacefully in government-controlled areas. He would have started with the tens of thousands of Sunni Muslim refugees who settled in Latakia province, and ended up changing the demographic majority of that province. These would certainly have been easier and more immediate targets. So any talk of "genocide" done by the Syrian government is outlandish.

Which is why the UN Commission on Human Rights never uses the term "genocide" when commenting on the actions of the Syrian government. Which is why nobody filed a lawsuit for "genocide" against Damascus in any court of law anywhere. Which is why none of the major human rights groups, namely Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, thinks that the Syrian government committed a "genocide".

The only persons who claim Syria is guilty of "genocide", are user "500" on PDF as well as some mindless extremists. The difference being that the former knows he is spreading disinformation, while the latter may be naive enough to actually believe in this falsehood.

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Muslims reading this: see how this user is manipulating the facts on Palestine? I can guarantee you his comments on Iran are not any more accurate. Do not let yourselves be misled.
 
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nothin' the yahoo up to his old shinanigans again. :lol:
 
Some fabrications and fallacies repeated in this thread, and a nice little debunking of each:

* "In 2021 they decided to use their rockets in which they invested billions of dollars" "Biillions of Iranian dollars were wasted to kill 5 Israeli Jewish civilians. Tens of millions of Iranians became poor, lost jobs, died from lack of medical services, became drug edicts and escorts for Israeli tourists in Dubai. All these sacrifices were done to kill 5 Israeli Jewish civilians"

3440 rockets were fired at Isra"el" during the latest war on Gaza. According to this user here, it cost Iran "billions of dollars". 2 billion divided by 3440 = 581.395,35 USD. So the user is claiming that each single rocket cost over half a million USD for Iran to produce and smuggle into Gaza! If this is not nonsensical, i don't know what is.

Also, notice the contrasts in the user's discourse: later on, he claims Iran "lost zero [soldiers] fighting Israel". Yet, here he openly reckons that the US sanctions imposed on Iran are due to Iran's support for the Palestinian Resistance, and that these sanctions killed Iranians because they made it impossible for Iran to import certain medicines. This is not only akin to admitting that resisting Isra"el" will cause one to be subjected to criminal sanctions which result in the deaths of civilians, but also that Iran lost citizens (soldiers or not) in the fight against the zionist regime.

* "Hezbollah started the 2006 war"

Hezbollah conducted a limited operation to capture two or three Isra"el"i troops in order to be able to exchange them against Lebanese prisoners held by the zionist regime. Hezbollah had done this in the past, and never before had it led to a full blown war. So in 2006 as well, Hezbollah could not have expected the operation to result in all out bombing of and ground invasion of Lebanon by the zionist regime.

* "Hezbollah's goal in this operation was to liberate the Sheeba Farms"

Wrong. See above. Prisoner exchange was the goal, and actual war was not aimed at by Hezbollah.

* "Israel was victorious in the 2006 war"

Multiple serious studies, and even the zionist regime's own Winograd Commission, concluded that Tel Aviv failed in reaching its objectives, which included destroying or decisively incapacitating the Lebanese Resistance, not simply "pacifying the border" as was claimed here.

* "Iran lost hundreds of thousands of men fighting Muslims"

Because Iran was attacked and invaded by a Muslim-majority country, namely Saddam's Iraq, genius. Not Iran's fault, she had to fight back the aggressor. Legitimate defense. And it was a large scale war between two large armies. And Iran was under arms embargo by both eastern and western blocs. Hence the casualties.

* "Iran lost nobody fighting Israel"

Even if it was true, so what? The fact remains that Iran is fighting the regime in Tel Aviv through Lebanon's Hezbollah and the Resistance in Palestine.

Besides, the statement that Iran suffered no casualties in fighting the zionists is false. As early as 1982, four Iranian diplomats were abducted by the zionist regime's Phalangist proxies in south Lebanon and transferred into Isra"el"i captivity, never to be seen again. Among them was the heroic war veteran Ahmad Motevaselian.

Then we have the almost 14.000 Iranians killed in terrorist attacks since 1979, including at the hands of groups backed by Isra"el"'s Mossad (some of these terrorist groups were led by former opponents to the shah regime who had secretly been recruited as undercover agents by the shah's infamous SAVAK secret service - a Mossad-trained and -controlled agency; after the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the fall of the shah, a high-ranking SAVAK officer, Parviz Sabeti, took refuge in Isra"el", from where he directed some of these infiltrators against the Islamic Republic).

In addition to ordinary Iranians, a democratically elected president, shahid Raja'i, as well as dozens of leading figures of the Revolution including shahid ayatollah Beheshti and shahid ayatollah Qoddusi were assassinated by such infiltrated saboteurs, who most probably were being handled by the Mossad.

And more recently, Iran lost several nuclear scientists to zionist state terrorism.

* "Khamenaists"

There is no such thing as a "Khamenaist". In order to have "-ism" attached to one's name, one ought to have founded a new political ideology. However, Supreme Leader Khamenei did not institute an ideology of his own, rather is he following the revolutionary ideology of Imam Khomeini. Therefore, the correct term would be Khomeinist, since Imam Khamenei himself is a Khomeinist.

Nevertheless, most users labelled "Khamenaist" by the poster in question, aren't actually Khomeinists.

* User claiming he is not obsessed with Iran, and citing the fact that he (practically) never posts in the Iranian section as evidence. A lame argument, when some 80% (educated guess) of his 16.000+ posts on this forum are dedicated to demonizing Iran. So yes, there is an obvious maniacal focus on Iran by this user. However, it is not so much personal obsession than fulfillment of an agenda or mission goals.

* "Iran committed genocide in Syria"

Bollocks. First of all, Iran had perhaps at most 5000 forces in Syria at any given time, and that's certainly not enough to commit any sort of a "genocide" on nearly 15 million people.

Secondly, as for the Syrian government, if its goal was to conduct "genocide" against Syrian citizens of Sunni Muslim faith, then president Assad would have started by having his own wife, a Sunni Muslim, killed. He would have started with the 20% of generals in the SAA who are Sunni Muslims. He would first have gone after the approximately 50% of SAA troops who are Sunni Muslims.

He would have begun with the millions of Sunni Muslims who to this day are living peacefully in government-controlled areas. He would have started with the tens of thousands of Sunni Muslim refugees who settled in Latakia province, and ended up changing the demographic majority of that province. These would certainly have been easier and more immediate targets. So any talk of "genocide" done by the Syrian government is outlandish.

Which is why the UN Commission on Human Rights never uses the term "genocide" when commenting on the actions of the Syrian government. Which is why nobody filed a lawsuit for "genocide" against Damascus in any court of law anywhere. Which is why the major human rights groups, namely Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, don't think that the Syrian government committed a "genocide".

The only persons who claim Syria is guilty of "genocide", are user "500" on PDF as well as some mindless extremists. The difference being that the former knows he is spreading disinformation, the latter may be naive enough to actually believe it.

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Muslims reading this: see how this user is manipulating the facts on Palestine? I can guarantee you his comments on Iran are not any more accurate. Do not let yourselves be misled.

This guy is most likely a paid HasbaRAT troll. If by chance he is doing it all for free than he is a "Shmuck" because Israel will literally pay money for the propaganda work that he is doing against Iran!
 
Some fabrications and fallacies repeated in this thread, and a nice little debunking of each
I am glad some Khamenaist dared to answer me finally.

* "In 2021 they decided to use their rockets in which they invested billions of dollars" "Biillions of Iranian dollars were wasted to kill 5 Israeli Jewish civilians. Tens of millions of Iranians became poor, lost jobs, died from lack of medical services, became drug edicts and escorts for Israeli tourists in Dubai. All these sacrifices were done to kill 5 Israeli Jewish civilians"

3440 rockets were fired at Isra"el" during the latest war on Gaza. According to this user here, it cost Iran "billions of dollars". 2 billion divided by 3440 = 581.395,35 USD. So the user is claiming that each single rocket cost over half a million USD for Iran to produce and smuggle into Gaza! If this is not nonsensical, i don't know what is.
You seriously think that Hamas has no other spends beside rockets per se? You need to finance and train tens of thousands corrupt babbons. You need smuggle weapons (not just rocket to gaza paying bribes to everyone around),

Also, notice the contrasts in the user's discourse: later on, he claims Iran "lost zero [soldiers] fighting Israel". Yet, here he openly reckons that the US sanctions imposed on Iran are due to Iran's support for the Palestinian Resistance, and that these sanctions killed Iranians because they made it impossible for Iran to import certain medicines. This is not only akin to admitting that resisting Isra"el" will cause one to be subjected to criminal sanctions which result in the deaths of civilians, but also that Iran lost citizens (soldiers or not) in the fight against the zionist regime.
Sanctions are result of ur terrorist behavior. You spend billions to kill kids in Syria instead to save your own people.

* "Hezbollah started the 2006 war"

Hezbollah conducted a limited operation to capture two or three Isra"el"i troops in order to be able to exchange them against Lebanese prisoners held by the zionist regime. Hezbollah had done this in the past, and never before had it led to a full blown war. So in 2006 as well, Hezbollah could not have expected the operation to result in all out bombing of and ground invasion of Lebanon by the zionist regime.
During this "limited" operation. 12 soldiers were killed + hundreds of rockets were launched at Israeli territory. Israel wrongly torelated small Hezbie attacks. But this time they crossed all the lines.

* "Hezbollah's goal in this operation was to liberate the Sheeba Farms"

Wrong. See above. Prisoner exchange was the goal, and actual war was not aimed at by Hezbollah.
* "Israel was victorious in the 2006 war"

Multiple serious studies, and even the zionist regime's own Winograd Commission, concluded that Tel Aviv failed in reaching its objectives, which included destroying or decisively incapacitating the Lebanese Resistance, not simply "pacifying the border" as was claimed here.
Its very simple to determine a victor. All you need is check what sides gained and lost in the war.

1) Hezbalshaitan lost free hand in South Lebanon (they did not allow even Lebanese army to come there),
2) Hezbalshaitan lost ability to make regular small attacks against Israel.
3) Israel gained calm border.

So Israel is clearest victor.

* "Iran lost hundreds of thousands of men fighting Muslims"

Because Iran was attacked and invaded by a Muslim-majority country, namely Saddam's Iraq, genius. Not Iran's fault, she had to fight back the aggressor. Legitimate defense. And it was a large scale war between two large armies. And Iran was under arms embargo by both eastern and western blocs. Hence the casualties.
First of all the war started largely because you started creating sectarian thugs in Iraq.
Secondly you refused all peace propositions for many years (and these years were actually the bloodiest),
Thirdly you sent your baboons in Iraq much later too.
Fourthly you sent your baboons in Syria.

But never dared to send against Israel.

* "Iran lost nobody fighting Israel"

Even if it was true, so what? The fact remains that Iran is fighting the regime in Tel Aviv through Lebanon's Hezbollah and the Resistance in Palestine.

Besides, the statement that Iran suffered no casualties in fighting the zionists is false. As early as 1982, four Iranian diplomats were abducted by the zionist regime's Phalangist proxies in south Lebanon and transferred into Isra"el"i captivity, never to be seen again. Among them was the heroic war veteran Ahmad Motevaselian.

Then we have the almost 14.000 Iranians killed in terrorist attacks since 1979, including at the hands of groups backed by Isra"el"'s Mossad (some of these terrorist groups were led by former opponents to the shah regime who had secretly been recruited as undercover agents by the shah's infamous SAVAK secret service - a Mossad-trained and -controlled agency; after the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the fall of the shah, a high-ranking SAVAK officer, Parviz Sabeti, took refuge in Isra"el", from where he directed some of these infiltrators against the Islamic Republic).

In addition to ordinary Iranians, a democratically elected president, shahid Raja'i, as well as dozens of leading figures of the Revolution including shahid ayatollah Beheshti and shahid ayatollah Qoddusi were assassinated by such infiltrated saboteurs, who most probably were being handled by the Mossad.

And more recently, Iran lost several nuclear scientists to zionist state terrorism.
Nonsense stories. But you admit that no single soldier ever dared to fight Israel.

* "Khamenaists"

There is no such thing as a "Khamenaist". In order to have "-ism" attached to one's name, one ought to have founded a new political ideology. However, Supreme Leader Khamenei did not institute an ideology of his own, rather is he following the revolutionary ideology of Imam Khomeini. Therefore, the correct term would be Khomeinist, since Imam Khamenei himself is a Khomeinist.

Nevertheless, most users labelled "Khamenaist" by the poster in question, aren't actually Khomeinists.
There is Leninism and Stalinism and Maoism. Anyway all are bloody criminals and genocidal maniacs.

* User claiming he is not obsessed with Iran, and citing the fact that he (practically) never posts in the Iranian section as evidence. A lame argument, when some 80% (educated guess) of his 16.000+ posts on this forum are dedicated to demonizing Iran. So yes, there is an obvious maniacal focus on Iran by this user. However, it is not so much personal obsession than fulfillment of an agenda or mission goals.
Stop murdering my neighbors and my own people and I wont post anything. If you want to murder people murder them in your own country.

* "Iran committed genocide in Syria"

Bollocks. First of all, Iran had perhaps at most 5000 forces in Syria at any given time, and that's certainly not enough to commit any sort of a "genocide" on nearly 15 million people.
In addition to Iranians you sent there swarms of sectarian thugs from all over the world.

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But also you armed, supplied oil and financed Assad with billions of $$. Without all this Assad would simply run away in 2011 like Ben Ali. And all bloodshed would be spared.

Secondly, as for the Syrian government, if its goal was to conduct "genocide" against Syrian citizens of Sunni Muslim faith, then president Assad would have started by having his own wife, a Sunni Muslim, killed. He would have started with the 20% of generals in the SAA who are Sunni Muslims. He would first have gone after the approximately 50% of SAA troops who are Sunni Muslims.
If you use some collaborators that does not change anything at all.

The only persons who claim Syria is guilty of "genocide", are user "500" on PDF as well as some mindless extremists. The difference being that the former knows he is spreading disinformation, the latter may be naive enough to actually believe it.
For 9 years you were barrel bombing, starving, gassing Sunni Arab towns and villages on daily basis. As result of these policies 13 million people were slaughtered or fled their homes (out of 16 mln total Sunni Arab population of Syria).

These actions perfectly fit the definition of genocide: systematic mudrer of some ethnic/religious group.
 
I am obsessed with Iran
Yes you are, and you know it.(also fixed it for you, LOL)

I never come to Iranian forum,
You dont have to - But every post of yours mentions Iran, KHameneist, etc..so wtf are you talking about? you're still hyper obsessed.
but Iranians come in droves to threads with Israel and shed crocodile tears for Sunni Arabs in Gaza
Why would they need to shed tears when it was Jews in bunkers in Israel who were shedding tears? I mean your logic makes no sense here - a small ant beat you guys up and Yahya Sinwar is walking around Gaza without any assasination attemptb y the ALMIGHTY FAILURE MOSSAD, so which crocodile tears? this sounds like a warped fantasy in your mind, or you're working for cyber inteligence there in ISrael, tasked with pumping out bad info on forums to stir up religious divides, arguments, distractions, distortions of the truth, aka genocide of Palestinians.
although they supported slaughter, torture, starvation, gassing and ethnic cleansing of 13 million Sunni Arabs in Syria.
Bring us the facts here in public on PDF, OR SHUT UP.
Same comes to you. You guys are hypocrite to the core.
are we in an ethics competition? how is this relevant to anything. you got your azz beat by small gaza, had your whole country just hopeless, even US wouldnt touch u guys or sell you weapons...your arrow system is also fake. 250K attendees to Gaza victory parade in London- what do u think of that? pls explain this event's occurence. if u ignore it, i'll assume u couldnt answer it.
As for wiping butt, you seriously think that launching rockets at Israeli civilians while hiding behind own civilians is great victory?
Well you really think 70% of ISrael being in bunkers for 11 days AND ALl of Israel's major infrastructure cripped for 11 days was a great victory for ISrael? i mean you ask dumb questions that usually apply to you funny enough, so you're projecting.

Well what to expect from Khamenaist who supports starving and barrel bombing millions of kids for sake of one inbred dictator.
ha ha ....Khamenei is chillin in Tehran, probably so happy and impressed with Gaza's spanking OF THAT AZZ. pls dont start another war because you will lose that also. Keep stitching your wounds that havent healed yet boy.
 
I am glad some Khamenaist dared to answer me finally.

Not the first time I do so. And, there is no ideology called "Khameneist". Seyyed Khamenei follows Khomeinist ideology. He did not found his own separate political school of thought.

You seriously think that Hamas has no other spends beside rockets per se? You need to finance and train tens of thousands corrupt babbons. You need smuggle weapons (not just rocket to gaza paying bribes to everyone around),

As a matter of fact:

1) You made a claim that those 3440 rockets cost Iran several billion dollars. I showed it to be false.

2) Your numbers remain purely speculative in any case. But more importantly, even if accurate, such numbers would weigh very little on Iran's budget. What are two or three billion dollars spent over ten years? Iran has mastered asymmetric warfare, i.e. a low cost form of warfare by its very essence.

As opposed to the zionist- and Haifan Bahai-dominated shah regime, which used to spend up to a third or so of its budget on completely overpriced weapons systems it imported from the west, and was not even allowed to upgrade or modify autonomously (which is why some 30.000 American military advisers had to be stationed in Iran), while being treated as nothing more than a "milking cow" not unlike Saudi Arabia is today.

3) Qualifying the average young Palestinian male fighting for his homeland as a "baboon" is demeaning and contemptuous to the extreme.

Sanctions are result of ur terrorist behavior. You spend billions to kill kids in Syria instead to save your own people.,

1) Iran has been a major victim of zionist- and western-backed terrorism for more than 40 years (from MKO to assorted separatist terrorists etc). Her allies even more.

2) Iran spends money to prevent zio-American "regime change" and to undercut their strategy which consists in trying to balkanize the entire region. Also, Iran spends money on eliminating terrorist abominations created and fed by NATO and its regional client regimes at the behest of Tel Aviv.

3) Iran is doing so on a shoestring budget. Meaning that simultaneously, Iran has experienced unparalleled development in every area. Iran's HDI (Human Development Index) for example, more or less equals Turkey's, and is among the top ten or fifteen in the world as far as its average annual growth rate since the 1979 Islamic Revolution is concerned.

4) Sanctions are a consequence of the Iranian nation gaining back its independence and sovereignty after kicking out zio-American imperialists who were sucking its resources dry and humiliating its people like colonized subjects, using devices such as the capitulation treaty (by virtue of which US citizens could not be prosecuted by Iranian authorities for any crime committed against Iranian citizens on Iranian soil, including rape and murder).

Sanctions are a consequence of the Islamic Republic assisting other oppressed nations, Muslim and non-Muslim, in breaking the shackles of zio-American imperialism. Sanctions - as well as the massive demonizing propaganda and disinformation campaign Iran is being subjected to, which is historically unprecedented in scope, are a consequence of the Islamic Revolution offering an alternative governing system, something that makes western imperialists fear for their global hegemony.

During this "limited" operation. 12 soldiers were killed + hundreds of rockets were launched at Israeli territory. Israel wrongly torelated small Hezbie attacks. But this time they crossed all the lines.

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During the operation which the zionist regime took as a pretext to bomb Lebanon, taking the lives of about 5 times as many civilians as fighters, only one soldier was killed. And unintentionally, too.

Its very simple to determine a victor. All you need is check what sides gained and lost in the war.

1) Hezbalshaitan lost free hand in South Lebanon (they did not allow even Lebanese army to come there),
2) Hezbalshaitan lost ability to make regular small attacks against Israel.
3) Israel gained calm border.

So Israel is clearest victor.

That isn't how it's normally done. The decisive criterion is whether a party achieves its previously defined political objectives or not. And Isra"el" failed at doing so. As I said, a "calm" border (Hezbollah can still come to the border whenever they want, and have in effect shown themselves there publicly on several occasions just to drive the point home) wasn't Tel Aviv's predefined objective, zionist leaders are on the record for announcing considerably more extensive goals.


First of all the war started largely because you started creating sectarian thugs in Iraq.

Plain false. Islamic Iran does not pursue any "sectarian" policy, nor is its ideology "sectarian".

Sunni Muslims militarily aided by Iran:

* Palestinian Resistance since 1979.
* Afghan Mujahedin against Soviet occupiers.
* Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina during the 1992-1995 civil war.
* Kurdish Sunni Muslims against Saddam's regime and then against ISIS (for which their leaders publicly thanked Iran).
* Sunni Iraqi PMU units in Anbar province, also against ISIS, as well as against US occupiers.

I won't even get into Iran's political support for Sunni Islamic parties and movements across the world, from Tunisia's En-Nahda (Rached Ghannouchi was another admirer of Imam Khomeini) to formations in regions as far removed as the Philippines. Nor into the Islamic Unity conferences organized on a yearly basis by Iran, where activists and respected alims from Ahl al-Sunna wal Jama'a gather side by side with their Shia brothers in Islam to mark their common aspirations.

Also, all political discourse and education in Islamic Iran is pan-Islamic and has always promoted Shia-Sunni unity. So do fatwas by Iran's Leaders, like the one issued by seyyed Khamenei which prohibits cursing figures revered by Sunni Muslims.


Then, Iran organized no "thugs" in Iraq. Apart from the fact that having allies in another country does not provide the latter with a valid and legal casus belli.

Moreover, Iraq had been cultivating pan-Arab separatist grouplets in Iran's Khuzestan province since before the Islamic Revolution, and increased its efforts after 1979, directly threatening Iran's territorial integrity.

The reason for the war, as every serious historian confirms, is that Saddam thought he could profit from the early revolutionary turmoil in Iran in order to illegally grab and annex Iran's oil-rich Khuzestan province, hence the massive invasion force (several fully equipped armored divisions) he sent to occupy Iranian territory.

The UN Security Council also designated Iraq as the party guilty of starting the war (belatedly, but nonetheless). End of story.

Secondly you refused all peace propositions for many years (and these years were actually the bloodiest),

Mostly because the terms of these proposals were unacceptable, and then because Saddam was likely to have attacked again after regrouping and recovering (and in effect, he invaded Kuwait next).

Thirdly you sent your baboons in Iraq much later too.
Fourthly you sent your baboons in Syria.

To defend against zio-American engineered "regime change", balkanization, and endless terrorist destabilization plans, whose ultimate target had always been Iran herself.

But never dared to send against Israel.

But you admit that no single soldier ever dared to fight Israel.

Has nothing to do with "daring". But with the fact that it has not been needed so far. Lebanese and Palestinian Resistance are potent enough by themselves and do not requite Iranian boots on the ground.

And it also has to do with the fact that zionists are not very apt at locating Iranian advisers. During the entire 2006 war of aggression on Lebanon for example, Hajj Qasem was in Beirut assisting Hezbollah.

Also, when one equates pro-Iranian groups from Iraq with Iran herself, claiming that it makes no difference since they are Iranian-backed, then one will have to apply the same logic to the Lebanese and Palestinian Resistance - since they are Iranian-sponsored, it shouldn't make a difference either as to whether Iranian troops are present there or not.

Last but not least, it is evident that Iran's generous support for the Lebanese and Palestinian Resistance has been more than enough to enrage the zionist regime. And one proof of this is that the user who I'm replying to himself reckoned how this Iranian support for the anti-zionist Resistance has led to a mass of US sanctions being imposed on Iran, meaning it came at a price for Iran (price which the same user claims has been considerable). In light of all this, whether or not Iran sent troops to Lebanon and Palestine is irrelevant. So when it comes to "daring", the user I am replying to has already contradicted himself.

Nonsense stories.

Nope, factual elements. All of them.

From the murder of several Iranian scientists by the zionist regime, to the abduction and incarceration of Iranian diplomats (!), to the 17.000 Iranian citizens martyred by terrorist grouplets (a comprehensive, detailed list of which was published) and elected Iranian officials assassinated by saboteurs, as well as the links that exist between said grouplets / saboteurs and the Parviz Sabeti-handled, Tel Aviv-based SAVAK-Mossad stay behind network.

About Hajj Ahmad Motevaselian, the Iranian military attaché incarcerated by the zionists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Motevaselian

And here's the list of 17.000 Iranian victims of terrorism:

There is Leninism and Stalinism and Maoism.

Maybe, but there is no such thing as "Khameneism".

And both zionism and western-style liberalism have a long record of "ethnic cleansing" and/or genocide.

Stop murdering my neighbors and my own people and I wont post anything. If you want to murder people murder them in your own country.

Unconvincing rhetoric with hostile ulterior motives from someone who is cheering for a regime built on "ethnic cleansing" - namely, the 1948 Nakba, which even Isra"el"i historians acknowledge. A regime which has been using its American vassals to destabilize one country after another in its neighborhood. A regime whose strategists and lobbyists have openly published policy documents advocating just as much, and whose affiliated international networks (international zionism / globalism) are involved in uprooting about every nation on earth.

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In addition to Iranians you sent there swarms of sectarian thugs from all over the world.

What this illustration will not reveal though, is that many of theses are small ad hoc units consisting of no more than a few hundred troops.

And I count exactly five countries named in there, apart from Iran. That's his definition of "all over the world"? Especially when compared to the terrorist international thrown at Syria by NATO and its regional clients, comprising fighters from literally dozens upon dozens of countries!

But also you armed, supplied oil and financed Assad with billions of $$. Without all this Assad would simply run away in 2011 like Ben Ali. And all bloodshed would be spared.

Not everyone bows to zio-American blackmail.

Also, let us fix the above statement: had the NATO regimes and their regional clients not engineered and supported a massive armed insurgency by terrorist formations against the Syrian government and society mostly at the behest of Isra"el", namely by arming said groups with tons of weapons, by facilitating the arrival of tens of thousands of criminals and other terrorist volunteers in Syria, by covering all the expenses of these opposition fighters, by launching an immense propaganda campaign, by using their secret services to cause rifts within the Syrian population and entice SAA officers into defecting, then practically no bloodshed would have occurred.

And Syrian of all confessions and ethnic backgrounds would have kept enjoying the stability and peace they enjoyed prior to 2011 under president Bashar al-Assad.

If you use some collaborators that does not change anything at all.

Those aren't "some collaborators" but millions of citizens. What this then proves, is that there was not any sort of a "genocidal" intention. A "genocide" looks very different than that.

Pretending that president al-Assad's government committed "genocide" is like saying that Adolf Hitler:

* Did no target Jews even once in word or in writing.
* On the contrary, insisted on the secular character of his regime and would actually welcome any Jew refusing to rebel against his rule and willing to reside in his Reich.
* Had therefore millions of Jews living freely and without fear of persecution on territory under his control.
* Had a Jewish wife.
* Accepted tens of thousands of Jewish refugees into his home province in Austria.
* Had a Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS which consisted to some 50% or more of Jewish soldiers.
* Had a general staff consisting of up to 20% or more of Jews.
* Was best friends with the grand rabbi of Berlin whom he authorized to keep practicing freely.
* Had a history of creating a chain of Ha'Torah schools where young Jews were educated in the most radical and fundamentalist strains of Talmudism (equivalent to the famous Hafez al-Assad Islamic schools, with branches in every corner of Syria, where salafism and wahhabism were taught).

It couldn't get more ridiculous, really.

For 9 years you were barrel bombing, starving, gassing Sunni Arab towns and villages on daily basis. As result of these policies 13 million people were slaughtered or fled their homes (out of 16 mln total Sunni Arab population of Syria).

These actions perfectly fit the definition of genocide: systematic mudrer of some ethnic/religious group.

1) Upwards of a certain population threshold, all towns and cities in Syria, as well as their constitutive neighborhoods, had and have confesionally mixed populations. So fighting occurred in places that were mostly mixed.

2) No systematic targeting of any given religious denomination took place. Systematicity would have implied that the millions of Sunni Muslims either living under government controlled areas, or even working for the government in one capacity or another, be targeted as well. However, none of them were harmed. In other words, there was no systematic action against a given community.

3) It is not enough for villages, towns, and cities with a certain majority population to be subjected to daily bombings for there to be genocide.

Allied forces during WW2 bombed Germany every day in the later phase of the conflict. They deliberately mass murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a matter of minutes / hours only by indiscriminately bombarding said cities. Yet even these are classified as crimes against humanity rather than genocide. For those murdered, weren't killed simply owing to their nationality or religion, but in pursuit of other goals.

Now, even if we assume that the Syrian army deliberately targeted civilians on a large scale - which I disagree with, the criterion for whether a location would be targeted or not wasn't the confession or religion of its inhabitants, but presence or absence of rebel activity in that location. And therefore there can be no talk of a "genocide".

As said, had Damascus been even remotely guilty of such a thing, then the UNHRC, many high level jurists as well as rights groups such as Amnesty and HRW, who are quick to point fingers especially when the (supposed) culprit is blacklisted by the west, would definitely have made it known. Yet, none of these institutions ever accused the Syrian government of "genocide".

In short, the inaccurate and misleading term is only used here to feed sectarianist strife between Muslims and to incite against Islamic Iran and the anti-zionist Resistance Axis.
 
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As a matter of fact:

1) You made a claim that those 3440 rockets cost Iran several billion dollars. Which I showed to be false.
Yous simplest brain does not understand that in order to fire these rockets Iran had to fund swarms of Hamas baboons for 7 years.


As opposed to the zionist- and Bahai-dominated shah regime, which used to spend up to a third or so of its budget on completely overpriced weapons systems it imported from the west, and was not even allowed to upgrade or modify autonomously (which is why some 30.000 American military advisers had to be stationed in Iran) while being treated as nothing more than a "milking cow" not unlike Saudi Arabia is today.
In less than 20 years of Shah white revolution Iran grew from totally Middle age country to country with GDP per capita higher than in South Korea and Turkey.

Today Iran has GDP per capita lower than in Shah times in constant dollars! Despite trillions of petrodollars.

3) Qualifying the average young Palestinian male fighting for his homeland as a "baboon" is demeaning and contemptuous to the extreme.
Hamas who blow up school buses and fire indicriminate rockets at civilians are much worse than baboons.

1) Iran has been a major victim of zionist- and western-backed terrorism for more than 40 years (from MKO to assorted separatist terrorists etc). Her allies even more.
MKO have nothing to do with Israel.

2) Iran spends money to prevent zio-American "regime change" and to compromise their strategy which consists in trying to balkanize the entire region. Also, Iran spends money to eliminate terrorist abominations created and fed by NATO and its regional client regimes at the behest of Tel Aviv.
Funny thing that Khamenaist Iran was a great supporter of Arab revolt in Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia. But when revolt came to Syria, the most sick and corrupt Arab dictatorship out of all, they suddenly started to claim that it is zio american funded regime change. Thats another great proof that Khamenaists are sickest hypocrite in human history.

During the operation which the zionist regime took as a pretext to bomb Lebanon, murdering about 5 times more civilians than fighters, only one soldier was killed. And unintentionally, too.
These are propaganda numbers.

Well, that isn't how it should be done. The decisive criterion is whether a party achieves its previously defined political objectives or not. And Isra"el" failed at doing so. As I said, a "calm" border (Hezbollah can still come to the border whenever they want, and have in effect shown themselves there publicly on several occasions just to drive the point home) wasn't Tel Aviv's predefined objective, zionist leaders are on the record for announcing considerably more far reaching goals.
Israel main objective is always calm. All we want is a calm border and live in our small country. While you are dreaming of Khamenaistic empire.

Plain false. Islamic Iran does not pursue any "sectarian" policy, nor is its ideology "sectarian".
Thats why you create sectarian thug militias in every country u control.

Mostly because the terms of these proposals were unacceptable, and then because Saddam was likely to have attacked again after regrouping and recovering(and in effect, he invaded Kuwait next).
Terms were similar which were achieved in the end. But Khomeini saw the war as opportunity to capture Iraqi lands and send human wave after human wave on Basra.

Has nothing to do with "daring". But with the fact that it has not been needed so far. Lebanese and Palestinian Resistance are potent enough by themselves and do not requite Iranian boots on the ground.
They failed to do anything even tiny Shama Farms. But you are screaming you want to liberate Jerusalem for 43 years. So why you afraid to send at least one platoon against Israel? You dont afraid to send them to starve kids in Syria. Thats proof that Khamenaists are most coward regime in human history.

Yeah, but there is no such thing as "Khameneism".
Whats the difference? OK if u insist i can call u guys Khomenists.

Crocodile tears and unconvincing rhetoric from someone who is cheering for a regime built on "ethnic cleansing" - namely, the 1948 Nakba, which even Isra"el"i historians acknowledge, and which has been using its American vassals to destabilize one country after another in its neighborhood, whose strategists and lobbyists have openly published policy documents advocating just as much, and whose affiliated international networks (international zionism / globalism) are involved in uprooting about every nation out there.

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What this illustration will not reveal though, is that many of theses are small ad hoc units consisting of perhaps a few hundred troops.
In 1948 Jews had almost none heavy weapons. In fact the overwhelming majority of Palestinians fled in two months from April to May as result of panic because of propaganda about evil Zionsist which will kill everyone.

Now they know that all these stories about evil Zionists are just propaganda for foreigners so when Israeli army comes to their town they dont flee anywhere but send their kids to throw stones.

And I count exactly five countries named in there, apart from Iran. That's his definition of "all over the world"? Especially when compared to the terrorist international thrown at Syria by NATO and its regional clients, comprising fighters from literally dozens upon dozens of countries!
Sectarian mercenaries were sent to Syria mostly from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon. Basically every country with large Khomeni sect.

1) Upwards of a certain population threshold, all towns and cities in Syria, as well as their constitutive neighborhoods, had and have confesionally mixed populations. So fighting occurred in places that were mostly mixed.

2) There was no systematic targeting of any given religious denomination. Systematicity would have implied that the millions of Sunni Muslims either living under government controlled areas, or even working for the government in one capacity or another, be targeted as well. However, none of these were targeted. In other words, there was no systematic action against a given community.

3) It is not enough for villages, towns, and cities with a certain majority population to be subjected to daily bombings for there to be genocide.
I repeat. Assad aka Khamenai aka Putin were indiscriminately bombing Sunni Arab villages and towns for 9 years on daily basis.

That is systematic murder of ethnic/religious group - direct definition of genocide.

Just because they were spared in some regions that does not make genocide less genocide. And I forgot to mention that this murder was stopped only thanks to Turkish drones intervention. If not the Turkey you would guys continue to bomb and slaughter till this day.

Allied forces during WW2 bombed Germany every day towards the end of the war. They deliberately mass murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a matter of minutes / hours only. Yet even these are classified as crimes against humanity rather than genocide. For those murdered weren't killed simply by virtue of their nationality or religion, but in pursuit of other goals.
WW2 was a total war of industrial powers. Germans had tens of thousands modern fighters, including state of the art jet fighters that allies did not have. You seriously compare it to barrel bombing poor Syrian peasants?
 
For their existence insecurities, the Israeli are eliminating all others in the region from existence.
 
Yous simplest brain does not understand that in order to fire these rockets Iran had to fund swarms of Hamas baboons for 7 years.



In less than 20 years of Shah white revolution Iran grew from totally Middle age country to country with GDP per capita higher than in South Korea and Turkey.

Today Iran has GDP per capita lower than in Shah times in constant dollars! Despite trillions of petrodollars.


Hamas who blow up school buses and fire indicriminate rockets at civilians are much worse than baboons.


MKO have nothing to do with Israel.


Funny thing that Khamenaist Iran was a great supporter of Arab revolt in Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia. But when revolt came to Syria, the most sick and corrupt Arab dictatorship out of all, they suddenly started to claim that it is zio american funded regime change. Thats another great proof that Khamenaists are sickest hypocrite in human history.


These are propaganda numbers.


Israel main objective is always calm. All we want is a calm border and live in our small country. While you are dreaming of Khamenaistic empire.


Thats why you create sectarian thug militias in every country u control.


Terms were similar which were achieved in the end. But Khomeini saw the war as opportunity to capture Iraqi lands and send human wave after human wave on Basra.


They failed to do anything even tiny Shama Farms. But you are screaming you want to liberate Jerusalem for 43 years. So why you afraid to send at least one platoon against Israel? You dont afraid to send them to starve kids in Syria. Thats proof that Khamenaists are most coward regime in human history.


Whats the difference? OK if u insist i can call u guys Khomenists.


In 1948 Jews had almost none heavy weapons. In fact the overwhelming majority of Palestinians fled in two months from April to May as result of panic because of propaganda about evil Zionsist which will kill everyone.

Now they know that all these stories about evil Zionists are just propaganda for foreigners so when Israeli army comes to their town they dont flee anywhere but send their kids to throw stones.


Sectarian mercenaries were sent to Syria mostly from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon. Basically every country with large Khomeni sect.


I repeat. Assad aka Khamenai aka Putin were indiscriminately bombing Sunni Arab villages and towns for 9 years on daily basis.

That is systematic murder of ethnic/religious group - direct definition of genocide.

Just because they were spared in some regions that does not make genocide less genocide. And I forgot to mention that this murder was stopped only thanks to Turkish drones intervention. If not the Turkey you would guys continue to bomb and slaughter till this day.


WW2 was a total war of industrial powers. Germans had tens of thousands modern fighters, including state of the art jet fighters that allies did not have. You seriously compare it to barrel bombing poor Syrian peasants?

Learn to swim. Your freeloading squatter days are numbered!
 
Yous simplest brain does not understand that in order to fire these rockets Iran had to fund swarms of Hamas baboons for 7 years.

Resorting to ad hominems after having one's drivel disproved... I trust that readers are intelligent enough to reckon the rationality and accuracy of the arguments I put forth. Furthermore I responded to the quoted contention already, see above.

In less than 20 years of Shah white revolution Iran grew from totally Middle age country to country with GDP per capita higher than in South Korea and Turkey.

Today Iran has GDP per capita lower than in Shah times in constant dollars! Despite trillions of petrodollars.

@thetutle

Under the Pahlavis, it was mostly after the 1973 oil crisis that Iran experienced considerable GDP growth. Plus, any significant increase in Iran's GDP during that era was due solely to Iran exporting massive amounts of oil, nothing else. Indeed, the shah's western protectors made sure that the Iranian economy would essentially remain a mono-sectorial crude oil-producing one, and it was them who called the shots on Iran's (mis)fortunes, largely depriving Iran of her sovereignty.

When the shah begged western regimes to set up a steel production plant in Iran, they consistently refused! Today, Islamic Iran is the tenth biggest producer of steel on the planet.

Source: https://www.worldsteel.org/media-ce...e-steel-output-decreases-by-0.9--in-2020.html

And this is only one example among many others. In dozens of other industrial and agricultural sectors, Iran went from almost nothing to becoming a major producer on the global scale (such as cement, petrochemical industries, automobile industries, defence industries, etc).

The same holds true of Iran's infrastructural development. Whether roads, railways, ports, urban transportation, schools and universities, hospitals and health care centers: in all these fields, Iran's infrastructures grew at a faster pace after the 1979 Islamic Revolution than under the Pahlavi dynasty.

For instance, while during 58 years of Pahlavi rule, 4325 km of railway lines were constructed, in 42 years of Islamic Republic, a staggering 7334 km were added to the network. Source: https://www.rai.ir/page-Default/fa/0/form/pId8715 . Or let's take the example of higher education: in 1977, i.e. some two years before the Revolution, there were 16 universities with 154.315 undergraduate students in Iran; in 2008, Iran had over 3.5 million students enrolled in 54 state operated universities, 42 state medical schools and over 289 private univerisities. Of course these figures are even higher in 2021. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_Iran

What is more, wealth accumulated thanks to the oil boon was distributed in a horribly unequal manner under the shah, while social welfare schemes were quasi non-existent. As a result of the poorly executed, so-called "White Revolution", millions of impoverished Iranians constituting a sub-proletarian class, were driven from farms in the countryside to the outskirts of large cities, in a catastrophic example of rural exodus, and settled in what was then known as "halabi-ābād" districts: shanty towns deprived of electricity, running water and gas, where housing was literally made of tin can walls covered by a plastic tarp! Today, even the most remote villages and the most run down urban areas in Iran enjoy running water, electricity and gas at a price affordable to all.

And while during the previous regime, tens of thousands in the least developed provinces (such as Kerman or Sistan-Baluchestan) used to live on the brink of starvation, a zionist oligarch and Israel-firster like Hojabr Yazdāni appeared on national Iranian TV and boasted how his diamond ring was worth more than the totality of the real estate of the city he was residing in, hence showing utter contempt for the millions of poverty-stricken, downtrodden citizens of Iran!

Another important point to note is that because Iran under the shah was hardly able to produce any of its economic needs domestically, it used to be fully dependent on imports. Hence the urgency for Iran back in the days to earn large amounts of hard currency if it wished living standards not to be compromised. Since the Islamic Revolution however, this is no longer the case, because the Islamic Republic has successfully focused on promoting agricultural and industrial self-sufficiency. As a result, a very large proportion of Iran's domestic consumption is now produced inside Iran.

Therefore, simple GDP values are not a valid tool for comparing pre- and post-Revolution living standards. Instead, it is GDP PPP (GDP at purchasing power parity) which needs to be examined, given that most of what Iranians consume everyday is produced inside Iran with very little requirement for US dollars. In 1980, Iran's GDP PPP was of about 246 billion USD. In 2020, the figure stood at over 1006 billion USD, i.e. more than four times as much, whereas Iran's population grew by a factor of a little more than two. In other terms, today Iran's per capita GDP PPP almost doubled in comparison to the first year of the Revolution.

Source: https://knoema.com/atlas/Iran/GDP-based-on-PPP

Besides, most of Iran's economic issues don't stem from the sanctions - whose effects Iran is apt enough at neutralizing (in no small part thanks to her self-sufficiency), but from internal circumstances such as some shortcomings in management here and there, etc.

But at any rate, compared to the times of the shah regime, Iranians are much better off in terms of purchasing power and material living standards. Here is a study proving it, by showing how much more Iranians can afford to buy now compared to then, authored by a serious economist with a whole spate of high-level appointments in his resume:


Last but not least, material consumption levels are only one aspect of development. Some countries are wealthy but relatively underdeveloped, such as the monarchies of the Persian Gulf, whose industrial and social development doesn't match their GDP levels.

The UN's Human Development Index (HDI), which takes into account factors such as literacy rates, public education levels, the quality of public health care, the participation of women in economic life and so on, clearly puts Iran in close proximity of a country like Turkey - proving that a Muslim nation needs not establish ties with the zionist regime nor even with the US in order to experience sustained development.

In addition to this, Iran's HDI increased at a massive rate after the Islamic Revolution. Follow the link below to access the UNDP's 2014 Human Development Report. On page 164, it features a table of HDI trends from 1980 to 2013:

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/hdr14-report-en-1.pdf

We can see that from 1980 to 2013, Iran has had an average annual HDI growth of almost 1.32. This is a very elevated figure, up there with the most succesful countries. It is superior to the figures for Saudi Arabia and the UAE, nevermind western countries. It is even slightly superior to the figure for Turkey.

And this is while Iran has been subjected to a stringent, ever tightening sanctions regime for over four decades, and is a target of the American "superpower's" rabid hostility, with the US sparing no conceivable effort in trying to isolate and destabilize Iran. In addition to this, Iran had to suffer a costly 8-year imposed war of aggression. I cannot think of many other nations and states which under these circumstances would not have collapsed, let alone experienced the economic and social development registered by Iran, as shown in the above cited figures and studies. This is quasi an economic and political miracle, no less.

Hamas who blow up school buses and fire indicriminate rockets at civilians are much worse than baboons.

Deplorable dehumanizing of opponents, is this not a zionist custom? When one resorts to this sort of rhetoric, one should refrain from invoking the human rights of any other group - it would come across as profoundly uncredible.

MKO have nothing to do with Israel.

They have a lot to do with Isra"el". Fact is that Isra"el"'s Mossad largely controlled the shah's feared SAVAK secret service, after playing a key role in setting up the SAVAK in the first place. Another fact is that SAVAK had managed to recruit various MKO leaders, using them as turncoat-infiltrators inside this opposition group, as proven by documents made available to the public after the Revolution.

These turncoat SAVAK-agents within the MKO survived the Islamic Revolution and went unnoticed. In parallel, SAVAK's high ranking officer Parviz Sabeti moved to Tel Aviv after fleeing Iran in 1979. From there, he handled this stay-behind network, which certainly included MKO figures, for operations against the Islamic Republic.

Also, Tel Aviv used the MKO as a facade in its public communication intended to incriminate the Iranian nuclear program. Indeed it was the MKO which informed the media about the construction of the uranium enrichment plant at Natanz, acting in all probability as a mouthpiece for Isra"el".

And surviving underground MKO cells in Iran are suspected of having acted as henchmen in the assassinations and sabotage actions conducted by Isra"el" on Iranian soil over the past decades.

Funny thing that Khamenaist Iran was a great supporter of Arab revolt in Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia. But when revolt came to Syria, the most sick and corrupt Arab dictatorship out of all, they suddenly started to claim that it is zio american funded regime change. Thats another great proof that Khamenaists are sickest hypocrite in human history.

Ridiculous contention. If I was to highlight apparent contradictions in the foreign policy of every government in the world, it would take entire volumes of books.

Besides, there is no contradiction in Iran's stance with regards to those revolts: on the one hand, Iran had no issue with revolts against regimes that were known to be subservient to western (like Ben Ali's) or even zionist interests (like Mubarrak's), and in other cases had abandoned resistance for "normalization" with the west and were speaking out against Iran's civilian nuclear program (like Khadafi's).

On the other hand and for the exact same reason, it was also natural for Iran to oppose a revolt which if successful, would have removed from power an anti-zionist government that had consistently been willing to host the political leadership Palestinian Resistance and allow its territory to be used as a transit route for assistance to the Lebanese Resistance to; and which furthermore had been one of the very few countries in the world to stand by Iran when she was defending against Saddam's aggression.

These are propaganda numbers.

According to Human Rights Watch, 859 Lebanese civilians mere massacred, while 250 Hezbollah fighters were martyred. NGO's like these certainly have no bias for the Resistance.


This contrast in civilian vs military casualties caused by Isra"el" is a direct consequence of the zionist regime's so-called "Dahiyah doctrine", which openly prescribes disproportionate use of force against its adversaries, and also advocates the targeting of civilian and government infrastructure. Now guess what, the use of disproportionate force is a war crime in international law.

So here we have a regime which openly makes war crimes part and parcel of its military modus operandi, and is so brazen that is does not even shy away from declaring it publicly.

Read up on the "Dahiyah doctrine", and how not only ordinary Lebanese civilians (mostly Shia Muslims), but also ordinary Palestinian ones (mostly Sunni Muslims and Oriental Christians) have born the brunt of it in successive wars of aggression conducted by Tel Aviv:



Israel main objective is always calm. All we want is a calm border and live in our small country. While you are dreaming of Khamenaistic empire.

In 2006, zionist officials are on the record for stating that their goal is to either completely eradicate Hezbollah's military arm or to decisively and definitely incapacitate it.

Generally speaking, the regime in Tel Aviv strives on conflict and has repeatedly pressed its American and western allies to engage in devastating wars of aggression against West Asian nations.

Here as a reminder for everyone, how the same Netanyahu, in the early 2000's already was pushing the US to invade Iraq:


https://www.theglobalist.com/before-iran-benjamin-netanyahu-to-congress-on-iraq/

This is no self-centered, non-interventionist and stability-seeking stance at all. It's the exact opposite.

Moreover, international zionist elites and oligarchs have a central role in fomenting instability in countless countries.

Thats why you create sectarian thug militias in every country u control.

"Sectarianists" who call for Islamic Unity and Shia-Sunni brotherhood all the time. "Sectarianists" whose organization include both Shia and Sunni Muslims side by side, like Iraq's PMU.

Heck, only few days ago, a Sunni Muslim leader of the Iranian-backed Iraqi PMU, Qasem Musleh, was arrested by the US-subservient administration in Baghdad under a bogus pretext, after which his Shia brothers in Baghdad and Basra protested the move, in a magnificent show of trans-confessional Muslim solidarity.

Everyone should have a glimpse at this brilliant academic research paper on Sunni Muslim members of the Iranian-backed PMU of Iraq:


Terms were similar which were achieved in the end. But Khomeini saw the war as opportunity to capture Iraqi lands and send human wave after human wave on Basra.

Terms weren't the same, and furthermore, western-apologetic officials in Iran such as Hashemi Rafsanjani pressured Imam Khomeini to accept the ceasefire. Hence Imam Khomeini's metaphor that acquiescing to the ceasefire was worse than drinking a cup of poison.

Imam Khomeini never advocated annexing Iraqi territory, that's completely counter-factual.

They failed to do anything even tiny Shama Farms. But you are screaming you want to liberate Jerusalem for 43 years. So why you afraid to send at least one platoon against Israel? You dont afraid to send them to starve kids in Syria. Thats proof that Khamenaists are most coward regime in human history.

First of all, Iranian soldiers never starved anyone in Syria, nor did they direct their allies to do so.

Secondly, I already pointed out why it is baseless to focus on whether Iran sends its own troops or not while ignoring both the context and other actions Iran has taken in support of the Palestinian and Lebanese Resistance, as well as the political and economic costs of all these actions for Iran.

Now here's an additional fact to ponder: Iran's ally in Syria, i.e. the legal government of that state, was in imminent danger of being totally eradicated. Hezbollah and the Palestinian Resistance however never came really close to that point. The day when that happens, surely Iran will also either send troops to support them, or directly intervene in some other manner, for example by conducting missile strikes against zionist forces.

Iran's intervention is proportionate, well-calculated and rational. Iran also keeps the pros and cons of escalation in mind.

Yes, sure, let's keep uttering rubbish such as that Iran is the "most coward in human history" when the user I'm responding to himself admitted that Iran's support for Resistance groups fighting zionist occupation has come at a considerable price, and when Iran is actually the only state on the entire planet to muster enough courage to arm and support the Palestinian and Lebanese Resistance. So truly, what a joke of a claim it is to try and portray Iran as lacking political and military courage, let alone doing so with such laughable superlatives!

In 1948 Jews had almost none heavy weapons. In fact the overwhelming majority of Palestinians fled in two months from April to May as result of panic because of propaganda about evil Zionsist which will kill everyone.

A rather lame distraction, since people don't flee in mass because of mere propaganda.

And when looking at massacres such as the one committed by zionist forces in Deir Yassin, then any fear helpless Palestinian civilians might have harbored of falling victim to such war crimes, would have been perfectly justified too.

Here's how unarmed villagers, including women, young boys and girls, children and elderly were massacred without mercy by extremist zionist forces in Deir Yassin - from an Arab, Turkish, and even zionist source, respectively:




The book whose cover illustration I shared in my previous post, is a good start for those who would like to get a true, documented insight into the forced displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians by the zionist regime during the 1948 Nakba, a clear act of "ethnic cleansing".

Zionist leaders were well aware and also openly stated that in order for their project of a so-called Jewish state on the historic soil of Palestine to be viable and realistically conceivable, a considerable percentage of non-Jewish natives (i.e. Sunni Muslim and Christian Palestinians) would have to be displaced. So this wasn't an unfortunate "accident", but deliberate policy by the newly formed, expansive zionist regime.

Now they know that all these stories about evil Zionists are just propaganda for foreigners so when Israeli army comes to their town they dont flee anywhere but send their kids to throw stones.

Now Isra"el" doesn't need to conduct any large scale expulsions anymore, because a sufficient number of Palestinians were driven out in 1948 for the zionist project to become feasible.

Sectarian mercenaries were sent to Syria mostly from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon. Basically every country with large Khomeni sect.

This just confirms my point: the use of the phrase "from all over the world" does not apply to pro-Iranian forces who fought in Syria, but actually to the opposition, which was assisted by a much greater number of volunteers flocking into Syria from more than 80 countries or so, with the tacit help of NATO regimes (including tens of thousands of people with long careers as local petty criminals in the ghettos of western cities, if not directed recruited from prisons such as in Saudi Arabia).

And foreign pro-government volunteers were neither sectarianist in their ideological outlook (they follow a pan-Islamic ideology), nor mercenaries. They participated out of political and religious motivations (= to prevent the destruction of holy shrines by extremist takfiris, to stop in their tracks zio-American divide and rule strategies and terrorist proxies so they would not expand to other Muslim countries, and to keep intact the Resistance Axis against zionist occupation of Muslim lands), not for a salary.

I repeat. Assad aka Khamenai aka Putin were indiscriminately bombing Sunni Arab villages and towns for 9 years on daily basis.

That is systematic murder of ethnic/religious group - direct definition of genocide.

Indiscriminate bombing of given locations and systematic destruction of an ethnic or religious community are not the same.

There were no systematic killings of any religious community by the Syrian government. The millions of Sunni Muslim civilians living peacefully in government-controlled areas are proof of that.

Just because they were spared in some regions that does not make genocide less genocide.

Nobody was targeted by Syrian government forces because of their religion.

The criterion for targeting a place was whether or not there was rebel activity in that place (i.e. a purely military-political criterion), not whether its inhabitants belonged to this or that religious sect! That's also the reason why some places came under fire and others not.

A Sunni Muslim who did not rebel against the government, or who did not stay right next to a legitimate military target, had no fear of prosecution.

No intent to harm anyone on the basis of their ethnic or religious backgrounds = no genocide, regardless of the amount of casualties (which by the way are exaggerated by pro-opposition sources).

And I forgot to mention that this murder was stopped only thanks to Turkish drones intervention. If not the Turkey you would guys continue to bomb and slaughter till this day.

Decreased insurgent activity due to the insurgency having been defeated = less military action all over Syria.

In fact the only sides in this war which openly, clearly and publicly declared anything resembling genocidal intentions, were to be found in the anti-government camp. They were the ones whose supporters and combatants used to chant disgusting communalist slogans such as "Christians to Beirut, Alawis to the grave". There not a single equivalent of this documented anywhere on the government's side.

In the entire history of man, there has been no case of a genocide where the culprits never hold any hate speech nor explicitly single out the targeted community in words.

And once again: no genocide could have been committed by Damascus without either the UN Security Council, the UN Human Rights Council, human rights NGO's like HRW and Amnesty, renowned jurists, some government or some international or national court confirming it.

The user I'm responding to seemingly expects readers - Sunni Muslim ones specifically, to believe in an incorrect claim he makes simply because he is rehashing it like a broken record, when not a single halfway credible institution anywhere in the world, even if radically opposed to Damascus, has ever leveled such an accusation. Not to mention the faulty reasoning presented by the user to try to prive his claim, which I countered above.

WW2 was a total war of industrial powers. Germans had tens of thousands modern fighters, including state of the art jet fighters that allies did not have. You seriously compare it to barrel bombing poor Syrian peasants?

As said, I do not buy the anti-Syrian propaganda that civilians were deliberately targeted on a large scale.

Also, when civilians are targeted, then civilians are targeted, it makes no difference if they are citizens of a country whose armed forces are powerful. It's still a war crime.
 
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For instance, while during 58 years of Pahlavi rule, 4325 km of railway lines were constructed, in 42 years of Islamic Republic, a staggering 7334 km were added to the network. Source: https://www.rai.ir/page-Default/fa/0/form/pId8715 . Or let's take the example of higher education: in 1977, i.e. some two years before the Revolution, there were 16 universities with 154.315 undergraduate students in Iran; in 2008, Iran had over 3.5 million students enrolled in 54 state operated universities, 42 state medical schools and over 289 private univerisities. Of course these figures are even higher in 2021. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_Iran
to be honest that's not a fair comparison
What is more, wealth accumulated thanks to the oil boon was distributed in a horribly unequal manner under the shah, while social welfare schemes were quasi non-existent.
I don't think right now its that much more fair
 
to be honest that's not a fair comparison

I don't think right now its that much more fair

Explain. What I shared are basically factual figures.

Also, I was replying to the contention that Iran became impoverished and underdeveloped as a consequence of its support for anti-zionist Resistance movements. This is false, and I think the many cases I cited prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt.

I don't think right now its that much more fair

With that statement you already contradict the user I was responding to, who claims that living standards regressed after 1979.

Also, living in extreme poverty before 1979 meant having no access to clean running water, to electricity, to gas. Today, even the lowest income groups benefit from these services. The threshold is much more elevated. Also, social welfare services are far more developed now than they used to be before 1979.

That said, certain political currents in Iran which believe in economic liberalism are an obstacle to further improvement in the area of fair wealth distribution. It is them who oppose the expansion of social welfare measures. Them who promote materialism in Iranian society and aristocratic-type of thinking among elites. And unsurprisingly, these same currents are the most western-apologetic if not zio-apologetic ones (with reformist figures such as Zibakalam or Sariolghalam who advocate recognizing the zionist regime and stopping support for the Palestinian Resistance, and who at the same time favor economic liberalism and unhinged capitalism).
 
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