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1: If you are talking about achievements in technological terms , then you cannot deny that Israel being a satellite state of the US has access to all top notch research done in the US , they get regular funding from the US , US funds their defense projects so they never run out of money.

Egypt gets the same amount of money from US, what wonders have they achieved for themselves or in any field. Jordanians and many others too are on the payroll of US but they seemed to be lacking in every field. Israeli's on the other hand have made so many advances that it is amazing, no wonder the US funds them when they know its good investment. The other nations that give money to just end up wasting it and making situation worse in the region much like Egypt has done recently.

What israel produces after weapons is "date fruit" - by your analogy the world should have sucked up to Nazis just because they were the best engineers in history of mankind and overlook the fact that they killed "millions" of innocent jews and gypsies ?

When did Israel kill millions or commit genocide?

Even then, the Germans could not match the Americans in technology back then, it was the Americans who built the Atom Bomb, not the Germans.

2: Our opposition to Israel is based on principles not on some god damn suck up to Arabs , i can't believe that people like you can simply disregard the mass killings of innocent Palestinians , the occupied lands and the consistent persecution of Gazans -- let me say its one hellova stuff to digest and one has to have your stomach to do it -- i do admire your digestive system !

Where were these God Damned principles when Gen Zia killed thousands of Palestinians at the behest of the Arabs.

Where are these God Damned principles when the same old Arab leaders are butchering their own people?

3: Arabs have helped us "every single time" when "we were about to get smashed" !

I : Consistent support of Arabs and other countries for our Cause on Kashmir

II: Consistent Economical support while we were at war with India , every single time and when "we were embargoed" by the USA aka our "friend and an ally".

III: Military assistance to Pakistan by Muslim Countries in the 1965 and 1971 wars.

IV: Consistent and unconditional support to the state of Pakistan by the Muslim countries on our Nuclear and Missile program !

V: Consistent support of all Muslim countries , specially the Saudi Arabia when we were "sanctioned" after May 1998 nuclear tests!

VI: Free oil supply to Pakistan by the Saudis.

VII: Massive support during 2005 Kashmir earthquake by all Muslim countries specially by the saudis --

VIII: Emergency scale help by Muslim states towards Pakistan in 2010 Flood disaster , money received from Muslim countries makes up over 1 Billion dollars plus , hospitals , camps and food & medicine.

IX: Consistent support of Turkey in Pakistan's energy crisis by supplying world's largest ship borne generator.

Tumhain yaad ho kay na yaad ho --- btw Pakistan hasn't done anything for these Muslim states in return , why do you think we get help and what makes you think that Muslim states should be dumped and Zionist state of israel should be adopted which actually tried to bomb the crap out of you -- yes you might disregard it and try to fool someone by calling it a conspiracy theory but i say it after seeing the hard evidence and after talking to people who were involved in the contingency plans !

I cant believe what I am reading here.

Pakistan was the first nation to put the issue of Palestine on the international stage at the UN, we were the first to raise the voice for the Arabs all while we have got nothing but lip service in return.

We fought for the Arabs in their wars while they have never fought in our wars.

We helped set up their institutions, gave them economic and hardware support so they can build their countries.

We set up their financial system, we helped them develop and you have the audacity to tell me that Pakistan "hasn't done anything for these Muslim states in return".

In return, the Arabs support insurgencies in Pakistan, they fund militants/terrorists, they are killing us in their countries (Bahrain), they are racist towards us and you are telling me that they help us while we haven't done anything for them.

We build up their security forces, we provide them nuclear cover and suppress their uprising and you are telling me that we haven't done anything for them.

Now justify why what you have said should happen , just because you believe in some anti islamic pipe dream ? -- T-Faz people like you would be trashed in the dust bin of history.

What nonsense are you spewing here?

Its people like you who will wither away with your conspiracies and nonsense stories.

Even the dustbin is too good for the likes of you.

Are you telling us that Pakistan should dump Muslim states and adopt a friendship with Israelis just because they make good weapons --- WOW i have just become a fan of yours !!

Grow up, I have stated that we should recognize Israel, don't get too emotional about it.

A Nation that kills on daily basis , is occupying a whole country , is in violation of over 60+ UN resolutions , Kills peace activists in international waters who were just trying to feed the starving kids of Gaza , Assassinate their opponents in dubai , use forged passports and fake identities to carry out their acts of lunacy , which provided full scale tactical support to indians during kargil conflict , tried to bomb the crap out of Pakistan , attacked Syria and Iraq unprecedentedly , is providing assistance to PKK rebels in Turkey to fight Turkish republic , providing support to BLA and TTP -- must be kept on a distance from Pakistan.

Many nations do such things, we have old enmity with India, does that mean that we stop recognizing them.

You don't make any sense, your logic is devoid of any reasoning.

By not accepting Israel, we only make things worse, if we do recognize them, who knows, we can even get a Palestine, something those meel Arabs can never achieve.

There is no way for you T-faz to justify the little theory of yours , i based on above facts reject it as none sense !

Theory, at lest its not a conspiracy theory full of British Agents, freemasons and what not. Learn your history again and look at how we have helped these Arabs who are destroying our nation today.


My regards to you too.
 
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Well if turkey,egypt,azerbaijan etc can..............wats wrong with us................. i say lets go for it..
 
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I agree with T-Faz, we tend to employ a muslim centric foreign policy, instead of a Pakistan centric one. Logically, in no way is Israel an enemy of Pakistan, situated so far away, we wouldn't even be able to fight if we wanted to. Pakistan can gain much from a small country that is surrounded by larger hostile nations and must make do with limited resources, all the same things that apply to us. We should worry about Pakistan before we worry about the collective muslim population. The Isrealis have accomplished alot under hostile circumstances, and they may have the Americans backing them up, but the Chinese do much of the same for us...again, there is alot to be gained by having friendlier relations with a nation that has done nothing wrong to us.
 
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Aeronaut; Without commenting on the piece of note you posted above.

I like to remind you India has reitrated to nuke Pakistan on many occasions and yet our embassy in UAE issue visas to indians without secrutiny.

Where as you missed to see the point in whole discussion.

Many Arab states have Israeli embassies and in Afghanistan India have 13 embassies on Pakistan border in Iran India have 1 embassy right on the border of Baluchistan.

And yet we allow the very same country to have embassy in Islamabad?

The idea to have Israil embassy is more symbolic for the idiots living in Pakistan and buy smuggled Indian goods.
 
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Seems guy who created that page already forgot about it.


Nonsense. No one in Israel even knows who are Balochi separatists.


Israel haters spread these rumors all the time, but no one could find any evidence for it.

BS -- you should be providing us with the proofs that you are not continuing your state funded terror in Muslim countries !!

 
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@T-Faz

You post is full of BS, a common trait, when do I mention the Ummah all the time?

Point it out to me.

first point out most of the stuff you said i said?????

Your thinking is based on the logic fed to certain Pakistani's that we should not recognize Israel because they treat our Muslim 'brothers' badly.

and since when did you have mind reading powers???:lol: Muslim Ummah my foot!!!

and your thinking is based on the logic fed to a very teeny weeny minority of Pakistanis that like licking the west's foot will make you successful!

What else could be the reason?

maybe you should do a better job in reading my mind and find out the true reason instead of putting words in my mouth!

Ummah are your Muslim brothers who you care about
wow. Westerners and israelis are your brothers,masters, or whatever you want to call them! Seriously, as i said i don't know where your pulling these silly assumptions from:whistle:

but they don't give two *hits about us or our Kashmiris.

And i don't give a crap about palestine! and your point is????????

you know who else doesn't give two hoots about us Gentiles??? the israelis, the ones who's boots you want us to lick!!!



So why should we not recognize Israel?

so we should recognize a country that considers us below their race??? we should recognize a country that is protecting exiled Baloch separatists? Wow, if we're going to recognize israel then we might as well recognize an independent Baluchistan and the whole Kashmir as a integral part of india!!!





Slaves, no man, I want partners in science, technology and economy, you know the things that matter.

what also matters is not having a corrupt leadership and a population with inferiority complex (one sides licks Arab boots, while the other desires to lick western boots).



That would mean that we follow an independent policy, currently we follow the Arabic stand, even though some of them recognize Israel while we have to fight against them.

If we're going to have strong relations with israel then we should also have strong relations with Russia, Armenia, Serbia, and Iran as well!

A strong Pakistan would recognize Israel and tell the Arabs to back off, we have to look out for our best interest.

if you want to offend the Arabs so badly then might as well strengthen ties with Iran? Arabs hate Persians more than they hate israel, heck the Saudis even allowed israel to use their Airspace in case of a Joint US-Israeli strike on iran!, take Pakistan-Iran relations to strategic levels!!! Afterall we don't want those lazy braindead good for nothing Arabs, Iranians are smarter and more capable then Arabs. And what about Russia, Serbia, Armenia???? What about Greece, why not up our relations with those countries?????? Who cares if the Turks get offended if we make relations with Armenia???? We don't need that poor little country Azerbaijan, who cares if they take offense from our good and healthy relations with Russia and Armenia am i right!!!:agree::tup::pakistan:



Jumping to conclusions eh? where did I mention that we should lick boots, I am talking about recognition and partnership in many fields that Israel excels in.

if we don't need Arabs then we don't need Israel either!!! what ever happened to the other countries of the world????

We do have boot lickers if that job is required.

i know right!!!! damn those bootlickers!!!



I cant move to Israel just yet, I have to ask her out first, show her some good times, then I will slowly propose, you know how love works.

Well, tough news for you bro:
Chinese workers at a company in Israel have been forced to agree not to have sex with or marry Israelis as a condition of getting a job.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/24/israel1

Gentiles aren't allowed to marry jews!!:no::wave:

I am sure you have experience of this with your local Maulana.

What is a "Maulana"?
 
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the biggest problem of israel is its terrorist IDF and its terrorist mossad, and its discrete nuclear capabilities, even though it plays with the weak, israel is a killer of humanity, remove all these stuff and disarm your nukes so that and we pakistanis and israel will have a normal relation in future
 
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BS -- you should be providing us with the proofs that you are not continuing your state funded terror in Muslim countries !!


Refer to my post Peshmerga and PKK are different groups and they do fight each other.
 
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first point out most of the stuff you said i said?????

Here is one your posts expressing love for the Ummah.

Nationalism is what has destroyed the Arabs and the Muslim Ummah as a whole!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/46867-palastenian-poem.html

and since when did you have mind reading powers???:lol: Muslim Ummah my foot!!!

lol, look at the post I have referenced above.

and your thinking is based on the logic fed to a very teeny weeny minority of Pakistanis that like licking the west's foot will make you successful!

Whats your fascination with licking?

maybe you should do a better job in reading my mind and find out the true reason instead of putting words in my mouth!

I guess so, you would be able to achieve more.

wow. Westerners and israelis are your brothers,masters, or whatever you want to call them! Seriously, as i said i don't know where your pulling these silly assumptions from:whistle:

:lol:, read my referenced post from you.

And i don't give a crap about palestine! and your point is????????

Then what is the problem?

you know who else doesn't give two hoots about us Gentiles??? the israelis, the ones who's boots you want us to lick!!!

Why do you want to lick is the real question?

No one has called me a Gentile, gentleman sure, but not Gentile.

so we should recognize a country that considers us below their race??? we should recognize a country that is protecting exiled Baloch separatists? Wow, if we're going to recognize israel then we might as well recognize an independent Baluchistan and the whole Kashmir as a integral part of india!!!

Easy there, when have the Israeli's considered us below their race and since when did they become a race?

Whats recognizing Israel got to do with Balochistan becoming independent or Kashmir being absorbed into India.

I am tougher that that you know, I am not scared of such theories.

what also matters is not having a corrupt leadership and a population with inferiority complex (one sides licks Arab boots, while the other desires to lick western boots).

Whats the fascination with licking, I mean come on.

If we're going to have strong relations with israel then we should also have strong relations with Russia, Armenia, Serbia, and Iran as well!

Why not, I am all for it.

if you want to offend the Arabs so badly then might as well strengthen ties with Iran, take Pakistan-Iran relations to strategic levels!!! Afterall we don't want those lazy braindead good for nothing Arabs, Iranians are smarter and more capable then Arabs. And what about Russia, Serbia, Armenia???? What about Greece, why not up our relations with those countries?????? Who cares if the Turks get offended if we make relations with Armenia???? We don't need that poor little country Azerbaijan, who cares if they take offense from our good and healthy relations with Russia and Armenia am i right!!!:agree::tup::pakistan:

Yeah, we should do as you say, this will make us independent and self serving.

if we don't need Arabs then we don't need Israel either!!! what ever happened to the other countries of the world????

Its good to be friends with all.

i know right!!!! damn those bootlickers!!!

I heard they had vacancies.


Might even get a chance to lick, if you know what I mean.

What is a "Maulana"?

I won't say anything.
 
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What israel does to its Allies:

And T-Faz wants us to befriend a country that kills the servicemen of its own number 1 ally?
 
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1: If you are talking about achievements in technological terms , then you cannot deny that Israel being a satellite state of the US has access to all top notch research done in the US , they get regular funding from the US , US funds their defense projects so they never run out of money.

What israel produces after weapons is "date fruit" - by your analogy the world should have sucked up to Nazis just because they were the best engineers in history of mankind and overlook the fact that they killed "millions" of innocent jews and gypsies ?

2: Our opposition to Israel is based on principles not on some god damn suck up to Arabs , i can't believe that people like you can simply disregard the mass killings of innocent Palestinians , the occupied lands and the consistent persecution of Gazans -- let me say its one hellova stuff to digest and one has to have your stomach to do it -- i do admire your digestive system !

3: Arabs have helped us "every single time" when "we were about to get smashed" !

I : Consistent support of Arabs and other countries for our Cause on Kashmir

II: Consistent Economical support while we were at war with India , every single time and when "we were embargoed" by the USA aka our "friend and an ally".

III: Military assistance to Pakistan by Muslim Countries in the 1965 and 1971 wars.

IV: Consistent and unconditional support to the state of Pakistan by the Muslim countries on our Nuclear and Missile program !

V: Consistent support of all Muslim countries , specially the Saudi Arabia when we were "sanctioned" after May 1998 nuclear tests!

VI: Free oil supply to Pakistan by the Saudis.

VII: Massive support during 2005 Kashmir earthquake by all Muslim countries specially by the saudis --

VIII: Emergency scale help by Muslim states towards Pakistan in 2010 Flood disaster , money received from Muslim countries makes up over 1 Billion dollars plus , hospitals , camps and food & medicine.

IX: Consistent support of Turkey in Pakistan's energy crisis by supplying world's largest ship borne generator.

Tumhain yaad ho kay na yaad ho --- btw Pakistan hasn't done anything for these Muslim states in return , why do you think we get help and what makes you think that Muslim states should be dumped and Zionist state of israel should be adopted which actually tried to bomb the crap out of you -- yes you might disregard it and try to fool someone by calling it a conspiracy theory but i say it after seeing the hard evidence and after talking to people who were involved in the contingency plans !

Now justify why what you have said should happen , just because you believe in some anti islamic pipe dream ? -- T-Faz people like you would be trashed in the dust bin of history.

Are you telling us that Pakistan should dump Muslim states and adopt a friendship with Israelis just because they make good weapons --- WOW i have just become a fan of yours !!

A Nation that kills on daily basis , is occupying a whole country , is in violation of over 60+ UN resolutions , Kills peace activists in international waters who were just trying to feed the starving kids of Gaza , Assassinate their opponents in dubai , use forged passports and fake identities to carry out their acts of lunacy , which provided full scale tactical support to indians during kargil conflict , tried to bomb the crap out of Pakistan , attacked Syria and Iraq unprecedentedly , is providing assistance to PKK rebels in Turkey to fight Turkish republic , providing support to BLA and TTP -- must be kept on a distance from Pakistan.

There is no way for you T-faz to justify the little theory of yours , i based on above facts reject it as none sense !

regards:

I avoid to read such log posts- but your post made a lot of sense to me- so i read it full- hope it has made a little bit sense to the one whose argument starts and ends at Saudis, Wahabis and Ummah- who misuses his status to openly abuse people differentiating from his view point-

btw this statement of yours is epic-

T-Faz people like you would be trashed in the dust bin of history.
 
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Here is one your posts expressing love for the Ummah.

2 year old post?? here, let me give you reference of another post pf mine:



http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/46867-palastenian-poem.html



lol, look at the post I have referenced above.



Whats your fascination with licking?



I guess so, you would be able to achieve more.



:lol:, read my referenced post from you.



Then what is the problem?



Why do you want to lick is the real question?

No one has called me a Gentile, gentleman sure, but not Gentile.



Easy there, when have the Israeli's considered us below their race and since when did they become a race?

Whats recognizing Israel got to do with Balochistan becoming independent or Kashmir being absorbed into India.

I am tougher that that you know, I am not scared of such theories.



Whats the fascination with licking, I mean come on.



Why not, I am all for it.



Yeah, we should do as you say, this will make us independent and self serving.



Its good to be friends with all.



I heard they had vacancies.



Might even get a chance to lick, if you know what I mean.

Well, tough news for you bro

Gentiles aren't allowed to marry non Jews:
Chinese workers at a company in Israel have been forced to agree not to have sex with or marry Israelis as a condition of getting a job.
Chinese workers in Israel sign no-sex contract | World news | The Guardian

Gentiles aren't allowed to marry jews!!:no::wave:



the rest of your post i will have to reply to tomorrow as my time on the computer is up!
 
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What israel does to its Allies:

And T-Faz wants us to befriend a country that kills the servicemen of its own number 1 ally?

I like, maybe we should learn to do this when we become friends with Israel.

I mean, US bombs us on a monthly basis, when are we going to do the same to them?

Israel is dangerous and I like that, we need to learn from them because very soon, we will be like them.

We will also be surrounded by enemies on all sides and like Israel we will have to fight them all.

Gotta show respect where it is due.
 
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2 year old post?? here, let me give you reference of another post pf mine:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/46867-palastenian-poem.html

You asked me something and I gave it to you, at least mine was better and more recent than your five year old link.

Well, tough news for you bro

Gentiles aren't allowed to marry non Jews:

Chinese workers in Israel sign no-sex contract | World news | The Guardian

Gentiles aren't allowed to marry jews!!:no::wave:

Where did I talk about marrying jews?

What has this got to do with recognizing Israel?

the rest of your post i will have to reply to tomorrow as my time on the computer is up!

What the, how old are you?
 
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What's india got anything to do with the topic??? and where did i even support an indian embassy?

---------- Post added at 02:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:41 AM ----------



We should just remain NEUTRAL!!!!!!!



If not being against an Israeli embassy means loving Israel and moving there, I don't see you against Indian embassy in Pakistan.

And neutrality means we should have an Israeli embassy since we have an embassy for every Arab country.
 
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