Israel: The most isolated nation on earth
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It's isolated for Pakistani not for us. because of
My passport has the exact same words. "Valid in all countries except Israel"
On topic, isolated in the Muslim world, but not otherwise. United States, India, Singapore all have good relations with Israel.
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Since the request by Palestine to be included in the UN and Obama threatening to veto it alot of public opinion has shifted towards supporting Palestine and even ad campaign are popping up into supporting Palestine. Especially in NYC I've seen billboards against the Jewish lobby( who have started supporting the GOP)
But there is NO isolation in the first place
Good for you and them then. I guess the Israelis worry about the isolation for no reason then and write inane articles about it all the time in their very own press.
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Yes, its interesting when you have good relations with none of your immediate neighbours.
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We have good relations with all our neighbours bar one
The topic is Israel.
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Yeah me too dont understand that.
Only the Islamic countries boycott it and anyway none of them matter much in geo-political influence and the only country that matters somewhat - Saudia - is worried more about another fellow Muslim country Iran than Israel.
They have excellent diplomatic relationships with most of the influential Western countries, India and the unstinting support of the world's only superpower. Then why are they worried ?
well our western neighbour is always hostile,our eastern neighbour was a part of our western neighbour so they always hate us,our southern neighbour dont like tamils and our northern neighbour has territorial disputes with us and ally of our western neighbour
I guess the only ones not understanding Israel's isolation are the Indians here. Most in the US, who have watched the Middle East up close also agree on the fact that Israel is isolated and will get even more isolated leading to consequences that do not look too good for the state of Israel if the intransigence and occupation continues.
Is the Window Closing on Israel?
Pat Buchanan's column is released twice a week.
In June 1967, with ex-Vice President Richard Nixon, this writer toured an Israeli military hospital full of wounded Egyptian soldiers.
An Israeli officer told us that in the hospital was an Egyptian officer he had captured in the 1956 Sinai campaign, and that he had asked the Egyptian: "We have fought three times now, and three times you have been defeated. Why do you keep fighting us?"
The Egyptian replied, "You may have defeated us three times, and you may defeat us 11 times. But the 12th time we win."
From that Six-Day War, wise Israelis took away two lessons.
First, they had to remain alert and strong enough to defeat all their neighbors at once. Second, the more important struggle was that they must win the acceptance of the Arab peoples to survive in an Arab sea.
The Israelis were not alert in 1973 when Egypt launched the attack of Yom Kippur that sent their army reeling along the Suez Canal.
President Nixon intervened with a massive airlift to save Israel.
Half a decade later, President Sadat and Menachem Begin agreed at Camp David to a trade of land for peace. Israel would give up all of Sinai captured in 1967 in return for a peace treaty with Cairo.
A treaty with King Hussein of Jordan followed.
Israel was on its way to winning acceptance in the Arab world.
In 1982, after an Israeli diplomat was mortally wounded by an assassin in London, Begin ordered an invasion of Lebanon. Gen. Ariel Sharon swiftly reached the suburbs of Beirut, and Yasser Arafat's PLO was expelled to Tunis.
But as Yitzhak Rabin ruefully conceded, "We let the Shia genie out of the bottle."
In the south of Lebanon, quiescent Shiites had begun to fight the Israeli occupation in militias that came to be known as Hezbollah.
Bled for 18 years, the Israelis withdrew in 2000, leaving Hezbollah dominant in Lebanon.
Perhaps more critically, after the Six-Day War, the Israelis had annexed all of Jerusalem and begun to move settlers into East Jerusalem and onto the West Bank. In 1987 came the First Intifada, an uprising of the Palestinians using sticks and stones. Yet the movement of Israeli settlers continued. From a few thousand in the 1970s, the number has grown to half a million.
Having won peace with Egypt and Jordan, the Israelis began secret negotiations with the Palestinians. In 1994 came the Oslo Accords, an agreement to trade land for peace. As Sadat got back the Sinai by making peace with Israel, Palestinians would get a nation of their own in return for recognizing Israel.
Israel had broken out of her isolation and won acceptance from Egypt, Jordan and even Arafat's PLO.
But in 1995, Prime Minister Rabin, who had won the Nobel Peace Prize for Oslo and had come to believe in the necessity of trading land for peace, was assassinated by an Israeli fanatic determined to prevent any surrender of West Bank land.
When Sharon came to power, he gave up Gaza, but refused to yield on Jerusalem or the West Bank. His successor, Ehud Olmert, like Rabin and Ehud Barak before him, came to believe that Israel had to give up the West Bank for peace, or she would never know peace.
But Olmert failed to negotiate that peace.
Looking back, Israel has prevailed in all her wars, from the War of Independence, to the Sinai campaign, to the Six-Day and Yom Kippur wars, to the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, to the first and second intifadas, the Lebanon War of 2006 and the Gaza War of 2008.
But today Israel is more isolated than she has ever been, and the prospects are bleak that she can break out of this isolation. <<But what do we or folks like Pat Buchanan know, the Indians have declared that the Israelis are not isolated and the outlook is quite rosy...
>>
Hamas rules Gaza. Hezbollah rules Lebanon. The Turks have turned hostile. The Palestinian Authority has given up on Barack Obama and is demanding a state from the Security Council and U.N. General Assembly. Israel's partner in Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, is gone. The Israeli embassy in Cairo has been sacked. Mobs in Amman have sought to do the same.
George W. Bush was persuaded by neocons that an invasion of Iraq would start the dominoes of Arab tyranny falling and usher in an era of pro-Western democracies in the region.
Not quite. The Arab Spring that followed the U.S. invasion by a decade is bringing down the despots but also unleashing the demons of ethnonationalism and Islamic fundamentalism that are anti-American and anti-Zionist.
Israel's great patron, America, is in retreat from the region, with her army in Iraq home by year's end and her autocratic allies down in Egypt and Tunisia and tottering in Bahrain and Yemen.
By 2050, Palestinians west of the Jordan will outnumber Israelis two to one. Syria, Jordan and Egypt, which had 40 million people at the time of the Six-Day War, will have 170 million. Militarily, Israel remains dominant, but neither time nor demography seems to be on her side.
And Arab acceptance seems more distant than ever.
To find out more about Patrick Buchanan, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at Creators Syndicate - The Best Content in The World.
Is the Window Closing on Israel?
Pat Buchanan's column is released twice a week.
In June 1967, with ex-Vice President Richard Nixon, this writer toured an Israeli military hospital full of wounded Egyptian soldiers.
An Israeli officer told us that in the hospital was an Egyptian officer he had captured in the 1956 Sinai campaign, and that he had asked the Egyptian: "We have fought three times now, and three times you have been defeated. Why do you keep fighting us?"
The Egyptian replied, "You may have defeated us three times, and you may defeat us 11 times. But the 12th time we win."
From that Six-Day War, wise Israelis took away two lessons.
First, they had to remain alert and strong enough to defeat all their neighbors at once. Second, the more important struggle was that they must win the acceptance of the Arab peoples to survive in an Arab sea.
The Israelis were not alert in 1973 when Egypt launched the attack of Yom Kippur that sent their army reeling along the Suez Canal.
President Nixon intervened with a massive airlift to save Israel.
Half a decade later, President Sadat and Menachem Begin agreed at Camp David to a trade of land for peace. Israel would give up all of Sinai captured in 1967 in return for a peace treaty with Cairo.
A treaty with King Hussein of Jordan followed.
Israel was on its way to winning acceptance in the Arab world.
In 1982, after an Israeli diplomat was mortally wounded by an assassin in London, Begin ordered an invasion of Lebanon. Gen. Ariel Sharon swiftly reached the suburbs of Beirut, and Yasser Arafat's PLO was expelled to Tunis.
But as Yitzhak Rabin ruefully conceded, "We let the Shia genie out of the bottle."
In the south of Lebanon, quiescent Shiites had begun to fight the Israeli occupation in militias that came to be known as Hezbollah.
Bled for 18 years, the Israelis withdrew in 2000, leaving Hezbollah dominant in Lebanon.
Perhaps more critically, after the Six-Day War, the Israelis had annexed all of Jerusalem and begun to move settlers into East Jerusalem and onto the West Bank. In 1987 came the First Intifada, an uprising of the Palestinians using sticks and stones. Yet the movement of Israeli settlers continued. From a few thousand in the 1970s, the number has grown to half a million.
Having won peace with Egypt and Jordan, the Israelis began secret negotiations with the Palestinians. In 1994 came the Oslo Accords, an agreement to trade land for peace. As Sadat got back the Sinai by making peace with Israel, Palestinians would get a nation of their own in return for recognizing Israel.
Israel had broken out of her isolation and won acceptance from Egypt, Jordan and even Arafat's PLO.
But in 1995, Prime Minister Rabin, who had won the Nobel Peace Prize for Oslo and had come to believe in the necessity of trading land for peace, was assassinated by an Israeli fanatic determined to prevent any surrender of West Bank land.
When Sharon came to power, he gave up Gaza, but refused to yield on Jerusalem or the West Bank. His successor, Ehud Olmert, like Rabin and Ehud Barak before him, came to believe that Israel had to give up the West Bank for peace, or she would never know peace.
But Olmert failed to negotiate that peace.
Looking back, Israel has prevailed in all her wars, from the War of Independence, to the Sinai campaign, to the Six-Day and Yom Kippur wars, to the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, to the first and second intifadas, the Lebanon War of 2006 and the Gaza War of 2008.
But today Israel is more isolated than she has ever been, and the prospects are bleak that she can break out of this isolation. <<But what do we or folks like Pat Buchanan know, the Indians have declared that the Israelis are not isolated and the outlook is quite rosy...
>>Hamas rules Gaza. Hezbollah rules Lebanon. The Turks have turned hostile. The Palestinian Authority has given up on Barack Obama and is demanding a state from the Security Council and U.N. General Assembly. Israel's partner in Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, is gone. The Israeli embassy in Cairo has been sacked. Mobs in Amman have sought to do the same.
George W. Bush was persuaded by neocons that an invasion of Iraq would start the dominoes of Arab tyranny falling and usher in an era of pro-Western democracies in the region.
Not quite. The Arab Spring that followed the U.S. invasion by a decade is bringing down the despots but also unleashing the demons of ethnonationalism and Islamic fundamentalism that are anti-American and anti-Zionist.
Israel's great patron, America, is in retreat from the region, with her army in Iraq home by year's end and her autocratic allies down in Egypt and Tunisia and tottering in Bahrain and Yemen.
By 2050, Palestinians west of the Jordan will outnumber Israelis two to one. Syria, Jordan and Egypt, which had 40 million people at the time of the Six-Day War, will have 170 million. Militarily, Israel remains dominant, but neither time nor demography seems to be on her side.
And Arab acceptance seems more distant than ever.
To find out more about Patrick Buchanan, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at Creators Syndicate - The Best Content in The World.
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Israel increasingly isolated in Middle East: US
ABOARD A US MILITARY AIRCRAFT: US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Sunday the Arab spring has left Israel increasingly isolated in the Middle East and that its military might could not make up for a weakened diplomatic position.
Speaking to reporters aboard his plane bound for Israel as part of a Middle East tour, Panetta said it was crucial for Israel to shore up its relations with Egypt and other countries in the region that had proved valuable partners in the past.
Theres not much question in my mind that they maintain that (military) edge. But the question you have to ask is it enough to maintain a military edge, if youre isolating yourself in the diplomatic arena? Panetta said.
At this dramatic time in the Middle East, when there have been so many changes, its not a good situation for Israel to become increasingly isolated.
And thats whats happening, he said.
Panetta, who was due to meet Israeli and Palestinian leaders on Monday before heading to Egypt and a Nato session in Brussels this week, said Israel needed to repair diplomatic ties with countries such as Egypt and Turkey and that Washington was ready to help.
I think for the security of that region, its really important that we do everything possible to try help them reestablish relations with countries like Turkey and with Egypt, said Panetta.
With the end of Hosni Mubaraks rule in Egypt and popular unrest elsewhere casting doubt on the premises underlying Israels security, Panetta said Israeli leaders were fully aware of the difficult challenge they faced.
I think they recognize that its important to try to do whatever they can to try to improve those relations, he said.
A spokesman for Panetta, George Little, said the Pentagon chief viewed Israels isolation as the product of its own actions as well as events outside of its control, including Irans support for militants hostile to Israel.
In his talks with his Israeli counterpart, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, and other Israeli and Palestinian leaders, Panetta said he would be urging both sides to return to the negotiating table.
My main message is to both sides, you dont lose anything, you dont lose anything by going into negotiations. He repeated the US administrations stance that the Palestinians should pursue their goal of statehood through peace talks and not through a UN resolution.
One thing thats been made clear, its been made clear by the (US) president, its been made clear by the secretary of state, is that youre not going to achieve Middle East peace by trying to slam dunk it in the UN.
The only way youre going to achieve it is by negotiations. Panettas visit comes amid concern in Washington that the Palestinians push for UN recognition could raise popular expectations that will end in disappointment and potential violence, following an expected veto of the move by the United States.
Panetta will be appealing to Palestinian leaders to try to contain any possible violence, a senior defense official said.
The United States has an interest in maintaining security and stability in the West Bank at a time when people have understandably expressed concern that with the emotions stirred up by the events in New York, there could be new tensions and even incidents of violence on the ground, the defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told reporters.
And we certainly want to encourage both sides to tamp that down. The Pentagon chief also planned to call on both Israeli and Egyptian leaders to work to defuse tensions on their common border that have grown since street protests in Cairo ousted Mubarak as president, the defense official said.
In Israel, Panetta said he planned to discuss the threat posed by Iran with Israeli leaders, but appeared to discourage a possible pre-emptive strike by Israel against Tehrans nuclear sites.
I think the most effective way to deal with Iran is not on a unilateral basis, he said.
In talks this week in Cairo, Panetta said he would express his appreciation to interim military rulers for intervening during riots last month targeting the Israeli embassy and to reaffirm Washingtons longstanding military ties with Egypt.
He said he would also urge Egypts military rulers to press ahead with plans to hold elections that will secure democratic rule, so that Egypt can move towards a civilian government that represents the will of the people.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/03/israel-increasingly-isolated-in-middle-east-us.html
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In the beginning of 1990-es Israel had not even diplomatic relationships with China, India, Russia (USSR then), East Europe, Jordan... Today we have good relationships with all these countries.
Peace with Egypt was always cold. Relationships with Turkley were also pretty cold before the 90-es. Then they bloomed in 90-es and starte to go down since about 2005. So basically no change here.
So overall situaton of Israel drastically improved in past 20 years.
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