Israel set to bag another mega Indian defence deal

[Agnostic_Indian]

You just went full retarded, never go full retarded.

Israel - Daddy, will you protect me from enemies(Arabs)
America - Yes, son I will and I will send you all the tanks and fighter jets every year
Israel - AWESOME! Daddy I love you

Get it?!?

first thing mind your the words
I don't even know what you wanted to tell me or what you understand from my post.

 

[GR!FF!N]

IA is hedging its bets and rightly so. If the NAG comes though then great the SPIKE/foreing ATGM won't be ordered in larger numbers. If there is an issue with the NAG (whatever that maybe) the IA has a trusted and proven 3RD GEN ATGM to fall back on. The IA is aware it has fallen behind the other 2 services in its modernisation drive and as such is moving forward at full speed now to get the IA onto a future heading.

isn't Spike only true 4th gen ATGM??

Electro-Optical Guided Weapons

and DRDO is in thedevelopment phase of man portable Nag..isn't it??so why this article said "DRDO failed to provied a ATGM"??

 

[Abingdonboy]

isn't Spike only true 4th gen ATGM??

Electro-Optical Guided Weapons

and DRDO is in thedevelopment phase of man portable Nag..isn't it??so why this article said "DRDO failed to provied a ATGM"??

The NAG isn't/wasn't ready in time to be inducted in the timeline the IA is intending (within the next 2-3 years).

 

[GR!FF!N]

The NAG isn't/wasn't ready in time to be inducted in the timeline the IA is intending (within the next 2-3 years).

I think Nag was ready but Namica was not..I think Army wanted to redesign Namica,thats why this delay happened..

Nag induction likely to be delayed - The Hindu

there were reports that this modified Namica will be tested in October 2011..don't know what happened in that test though..

 

[PteX]

first thing mind your the words
I don't even know what you wanted to tell me or what you understand from my post.

People like him do not deserve a response. Ignore the child.

As for the topic at hand: Whatever India chooses will suit India's needs. Israel is willing to go a long way to make sure India's needs are met in the battlefield.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

NEW DELHI: Israel seems all set to bag yet another mega defence deal to equip all the 356 infantry battalions of the Indian Army with third-generation anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs). While Russia is far ahead in the lead, Israel is trying to stave off a strong challenge from the US to remain the second largest arms supplier to India.

The Rs 15,000-crore project will involve an initial direct acquisition of the man-portable "tank killers", with a strike range of 2.5-km, followed by transfer of technology (ToT) to defence PSU, Bharat Dynamics, for large-scale indigenous manufacture.

The Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC), led by A K Antony, took up the procurement of the fire-and-forget Israeli "Spike" ATGMs for clearance on April 2. But the case was kept "pending" after being referred for "a technology scan" since it was "a single vendor situation" without any competition, said sources.

The DAC can approve acquisition of a state-of-the-art weapon system, aimed to gain a qualitative edge over adversaries, in a single-vendor situation only after "a technology scan" is conducted by HQ IDS (integrated defence staff) in consultation with DRDO. "The scan basically certifies it's not possible to get the weapon system from anywhere else. The DAC will consider the case after the scan," said a source.

The 1.13-million Army is pushing the "critical" project since it has a huge shortfall of 44,000 ATGMs of different types, half its authorised inventory at present. Moreover, both Pakistan and China — the latter with third-generation ATGMs — have zoomed ahead in this capability of stemming enemy armoured attacks.

The "buy global" project for the shoulder-fired ATGMs had begun — after DRDO failed to deliver an indigenous system — with the Israeli Spike being pitted against the American FGM-148 Javelin missiles. But the US could not assure India of providing full ToT to allow indigenous production. Consequently, only the Spike ATGMs underwent extensive field trials conducted by the Army.

The force is keen to begin inducting the new ATGMs soon to ensure each infantry battalion deployed in the plains has eight ATGM launchers (each with 12 missiles), and those in the mountains have at least two, by the end of the 12th Plan (2017). "Even mechanised infantry battalions will get them later," said the source.

At present, the Army is making do with second-generation Milan (2-km range) and Konkurs (4-km) ATGMs, produced by BDL under licence from French and Russian companies, which are wire-guided and do not have fire-and-forget capabilities.

A part of the deficiency will be met by the induction of the long-delayed indigenous third-generation Nag ATGMs, which are vehicle and helicopter-mounted, with a 4-km strike range. The Army has already placed an initial order for 443 Nag missiles and 13 Namicas (Nag missile tracked carriers).

Link - Israel set to bag another mega Indian defence deal - The Times of India

Good news. ATGMs are really useful for the army.

And yeah what? DRDO failed to deliver an indigenous solution? They haven't even begun development for one as far as I know. Are the media so intent to bash DRDO on something they haven't even tried yet?

 

[SamantK]

Good news. ATGMs are really useful for the army.

And yeah what? DRDO failed to deliver an indigenous solution? They haven't even begun development for one as far as I know. Are the media so intent to bash DRDO on something they haven't even tried yet?

Was not the nag tested but failed the trials?

The full range of nag of 4 Km was not met, I remember reading it was accurate only upto 2.5 Km.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

Was not the nag tested but failed the trials?

The full range of nag of 4 Km was not met, I remember reading it was accurate only upto 2.5 Km.

This one is about a Man-portable ATGM though. Nag is vehicle launched.

 

[MilSpec]

Obviously not otherwise India wouldn't be facing a single-vender purchase! Either the other systems weren't up to the mark on a technical front or they weren't offering the levels of ToT India wanted.


The Spike doesn't cost much less, a Javelin missile may cost (excluding the actual launcher) $80,000 USD apiece, the Spike (depending on the version) will cost $50-70,000 USD apiece. Whatever way you cut it- you get what you pay for!

50-70K for one single missile, god! that's expensive that's almost half of my yearly earnings.... it is ridiculous that we are spending such amount of money on a technology which can be produced at 10 times the lesser costs.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

50-70K for one single missile, god! that's expensive that's almost half of my yearly earnings.... it is ridiculous that we are spending such amount of money on a technology which can be produced at 10 times the lesser costs.

Does the price come down once we start license-manufacturing?

 

[MilSpec]

Does the price come down once we start license-manufacturing?

it doesn't matter, I cannot believe that 2kgs of solid propellet, AL shel, guidance seeker, set of emittors, and a warhead should cost more than 10K tops.

paying 70K for such missile is ridiculous. India is not that rich to fling a BMWm5 towards a third rate chinese tank on either side of the border!

Doesn't matte if it take another 5 years we need to develop our own, if nothing reverse engineer from the russians, but 70K for an atgm is not acceptable

 

[janon]

50-70K for one single missile, god! that's expensive that's almost half of my yearly earnings.... it is ridiculous that we are spending such amount of money on a technology which can be produced at 10 times the lesser costs.

Which missiles of comparable technological sophistication can be procured at a tenth of the cost?

 

[MilSpec]

Which missiles of comparable technological sophistication can be procured at a tenth of the cost?

Desi missile, khud banao.... nahi banta hai to reliance, L&T, tata, give it to them , agar lakh rupay mein car bana sakta hai, to $10K mein missile bhi ban jayega.

 

[TheJewverine]

You just went full retarded, never go full retarded.

Israel - Daddy, will you protect me from enemies(Arabs)
America - Yes, son I will and I will send you all the tanks and fighter jets every year
Israel - AWESOME! Daddy I love you

Get it?!?

Israel is a top weapons manufacturer and supplier.

Your little propaganda story is fundamentally flawed.

Get it?!?

 

[The_Showstopper]

Desi missile, khud banao.... nahi banta hai to reliance, L&T, tata, give it to them , agar lakh rupay mein car bana sakta hai, to $10K mein missile bhi ban jayega.

Bahot sahin kahan, We are investing so much on buying weapons from foreign sources instead of investing them on our indigenous defence industry. We must learn something from China, their transformation is simply amazing...