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Israel officially asks US to send over 25 more F-35 fighter jets

“The deal is estimated at $3 billion, financed by US military aid to Israel.”

Financed by American tax payers money.


Why don’t Greece get F35’s for free like Israel? Is Israel more valuable then Greece in the eyes of Uncle Sam?
Financed? No. This is an investment. US is getting many times its worth.
 
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You’ve got to give it to Israel.

They ordered the US for F-35s and wont pay a dime for it.

Congratulations.
 
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One thing that I find a little weird and funny is @Beny Karachun blaming us muslims as he says that the mufti of Jerusalem somehow “convincing “ a psychopath like hitler to not send Jews to Palestine and he implies that because of just a mufti, hitler who led on of the most power states of that time holocausted Jews in europe. Which feels like he is not putting the blame on hitler but some mufti AKA Muslim. Bro to a Muslim like me it seems in your hatred of muslims you are abosolving hitler and putting the genocife on a Muslim which is weird AF.



I don’t know much about your PMs that is true just the optics of which your states actions show to the whole world.



Like you seriously think that hitler, who chamberlain and the other stalwarts of that era couldn’t convince but a mufti would?

Financed? No. This is an investment. US is getting many times its worth.
Lol
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What is the US getting ...do educate us
 
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"financed by US military aid to Israel"

thank you, US taxpayers
Jews got money form US, pay 75% for US stuff.
Muslim countries which got aid form US buy US flags and burn them. :D


Lol
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What is the US getting ...do educate us

The 1x1 US-Israel Tutorial (generally)

Should the U.S. be sending aid to Israel?
Yet another iteration to this question, which is clearly one of the most commonly asked on Quora:

Why does the US give ‘financial support’ for Israel?

The US government has decided that spending in excess of $120 billion per year to promote its geopolitical goals is worth it. And the $3 billion of credits that is given to Israel against purchase of US military hardware is chump change compared to what it actually spends on other allies.

David Vine, a professor at American University, states in Base Nation: How U.S. Military Bases Abroad Harm America and the World that there are 150,500 American troops stationed in seventy countries around the globe. The cost estimate to the American taxpayer annually is at least $85-100 billion. Once the real costs are calculated, the largest aid recipient is Japan, where 48,828 US military personnel are stationed. This translates into a US military aid package of over $27 billion. Germany, with 37,704 US troops on its soil, receives aid equivalent to around $21 billion; South Korea, with 27,553 US troops, receives over $15 billion; and Italy receives at least $6 billion.

What does the US government get from those credits?

While the Israel-haters would like to present the US military aid package as some kind of ‘no strings attached’ gift, the reality is more of an exchange of goods and services, as well as the fulfillment of promises made by the US in peace treaties.

Containment of Soviet/Russian Influence

One telling point is that the US did not support Israel militarily until after 1967, and economically perhaps not until the 1980’s. The Cold War dominated US geopolitics, spurring endless operations to contain Soviet influence in nearly every corner of the globe. Only when Israel proved itself as a worthwhile adversary to the Soviet client states that surrounded it in 1967 did the US support begin.

Although the Cold War is over, in many ways the US behavior towards Russia is similar to that of the USSR. In the following chart, note how the nations who receive the most US aid are adjacent to Russia and her allies (Syria, Iran, Hizbullah).

United States foreign aid - Wikipedia

A US aircraft carrier in a troubled region

Israel exists in a highly strategic and yet highly unstable region. And yet even the most ardent Israel-hater must agree that Israel can be counted upon as a most reliable US ally. US Secretary of State Alexander Haig likened Israel to “the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.” It could be added that this ‘aircraft carrier’ does not cost nearly as much as the floating variety (carriers are hugely expensive to build and maintain). It could and perhaps should be noted that the US does now operate a very small base in Israel, with about 100 personnel. Israel philosophically finds it distasteful to have a foreign base on its soil, but the size and benefits of this mini-base were enough for it to make this one exception.

The cost of maintaining a US military presence in Germany and Japan, very wealthy nations which exist in much less volatile or strategic regions, is estimated to cost US taxpayers at least $20 billion per year for each nation. Israel is quite a bargain in comparison.

Balance of military aid

US provides economic and military aid to several nations who exhibit lukewarm acceptance of Israel’s existence if not outright hostility. Israel’s immediate neighbors figure large on the list of US aid, as do the terror centers of Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Camp David Accords, which provides many geopolitical benefits to the US, promised Egypt substantial economic and military aid. If one wants to be seen as fair and balanced, equal assistance must be given to both sides.

Camp David Accords - Wikipedia

Furthermore, US has sold advanced military hardware worth tens of billions of dollars to wealthy Arab petro-states who have regularly demanded Israel’s destruction in the past. If you want to make the sale and yet keep Israel as an ally, you have to provide some reciprocity.

Boost domestic defense industry

With new Obama regulations, 100% of US aid to Israel is spent on buying equipment from the US. This is distinctly in contrast to US military spending in Germany and Japan, for example. In those nations much of the military budget is spent locally, aiding the local economy much more than that of the US.

Control of the sale of Israeli weaponry to US rivals

Israeli high tech weaponry is valued throughout the world, and sought after by many nations, including some which are not exactly friendly to US interests. To exert this specific influence over Israel, which also affects Israeli GDP, some incentive must be provided by the US.

US acts over Israeli arms sales to China

Intelligence Sharing

A recent Trump scandal in the last few months revealed a bit of the reliance of the US intelligence community on the Mossad. Trump revealed to Russia some details of a Mossad operation whereby Israeli agents penetrated Islamic State and discovered their plan to plant bombs in laptop computers taken onboard commercial aircraft bound for the US.

It is clear that the US relies on Mossad for access to crucial information, and this has been the case for decades. George Keagan, former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence, said that “Israel is worth five CIAs.”

Is Israel an asset or a burden to our country?

Application to a recent news item: when an Israeli F16 was shot down by a barrage of Syrian anti-aircraft missiles, the details of that confrontation is of huge importance to the US military. The US can expect to get extensive details that will help plan future potential interactions with Russian developed systems.

Joint military hardware development

Israel has a unique position in its cooperation with the US on development of military hardware. Many projects, such as the Arrow missile, are developed together to the advantage and cost savings of both.

Arrow (Israeli missile) - Wikipedia

Furthermore, Israel is a significant test bed for US military hardware. It was mostly Israeli-flown but US-built F-15 fighter jets that accrued the F-15’s enviable record.

From McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle - Wikipedia
:

“The first kill by an F-15 was scored by Israeli Air Force ace Moshe Melnik
in 1979.[57]…F-15As reportedly downed 13 Syrian MiG-21s and two Syrian MiG-25s. Israeli F-15As and Bs participated as escorts in Operation Opera, an air strike on an Iraqi nuclear reactor. In the 1982 Lebanon War, Israeli F-15s were credited with 41 Syrian aircraft destroyed (23 MiG-21s and 17 MiG-23s, and one Aérospatiale SA.342L Gazelle helicopter). During Operation Mole Cricket 19, Israeli F-15s and F-16s together shot down 82 Syrian fighter aircraft (MiG-21s, MiG-23s, and MiG-23Ms) with no losses.[58]
Furthermore, much information about the latest Soviet technologies were received during Israel’s many wars to defend its existence.

Safe Storage

Israel is the only truly reliable location in the region for the storage of US military hardware if US needed to get that material to a nearby theatre of operation quickly.

War reserve stock - Wikipedia

Defending Shipping Lanes

Arguably one of the most important roles for the sole global superpower is to maintain the safety of the world’s shipping lanes. Much of what can be said in praise of Pax Romana and Pax Britannia was their defense of trade routes, and the increase in global wealth because of that. In this regard, Israel is a great help to the US, considering its location near to the Horn of Africa and one of the most notorious shipping bottlenecks accessed by Somali pirates.

Israeli guards repel Somali pirate attack on cruise ship

Israel: A Strategic Asset for the United States

Omnipotent AIPAC lobbyists?

In spite of all of this, Israel haters love to single out AIPAC as having immense influence in Washington. Even though it is clear that AIPAC is hardly the most powerful lobby for a foreign nation in Washington, we could also look to the success of AIPAC in lobbying congress to vote against Obama’s Iran deal. AIPAC failed completely. Omnipotent? Perhaps not.

Here is a list of the funding of foreign lobbyists:

Foreign Lobby Watch

“In 2010, foreign governments spent approximately $460 million on lobbying Congress
and the U.S. Government.[162] Between 2015–2017, the Saudi Arabia paid $18 million to 145 registered lobbyists
to influence the U.S. government.[163]”

From: Lobbying in the United States - Wikipedia

Where is the outrage about South Korea and Japan, who spend far more than Israel in lobbying the US government? But even foreign nations pale in comparison to the top lobbyist groups:

Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets



Why does the US provide so much foreign aid (roughly $2.5 billion per year) to Israel?

US provides economic and military aid to plenty of nations in the region. Israel's neighbors are also big recipients of US aid, as are terrorist ridden Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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United States foreign aid

Why does US provide aid to Israel?
  1. Managing Russian presence: It is not an accident that all the nations above that receive the most aid border Russian sphere of influence. Russia and and its allies (Iran and Syria) are deep into Middle East. To fight that, US arms Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Ukraine, Turkey, Jordan... Israel is the most capable power in the region to fight back a possible Russian expansion and thus receives the most American aid. Russia on its part arms Hizbollah, Hamas and other anti-Israeli militants. Cold war is still on. I will use an old map to illustrate this fact.
main-qimg-73d78dec73a77e504081ec07d6251d7e-lq

  1. However, these days Israel looks to build more relationship with Russia and that is not good for the US - it needs to pull its ally back with more candies.
  2. Boost domestic defense industry: 75% of US aid to Israel is spent on buying equipment from the US. This is sort of like your car dealer providing auto loan. Also arming Israel, would pressure its opponents to buy more from the US. US Senator Rand Paul set to visit Israel
Not sell stuff to China and other US rivals. Israel has got sophisticated tech that China, Venezuela and others covet. However, if Israel sells them US position will be at threat. Thus, US asks Israel not to sell a lot to China. US acts over Israeli arms sales to China
  • . When you tell them not to, you better compensate them with something else.
  • Intelligence sharing & War on Terror. Mossad is among the top 5 most powerful intelligence agencies. US relies a lot on them to get access to crucial information to fight the war on terror. Whether it is Iranian capture of American embassy or the Beirut bombing of US mission - Mossad was there to help. That help comes at a fee.
  • Arrow (Israeli missile)
  • - US and Israel jointly develop an anti-ballistic missile defense system. 50% of it is paid by Israel and a lot of manpower is from Israel. This would be much more expensive for US to make without Israeli inputs and thus more than pays for US aid to Israel.
  • Military bases. US keeps 6 war reserve stocks in Israel. War reserve stock
  • Israel is the safest place in the region to keep American missiles, bombers, equipment and hospital for the special forces. Those help come for a rent.
  • Aid US in managing the trade routes: Israel's position is very critical for US to quickly react to any threats to US position in the middle east. Israeli guards repel Somali pirate attack on cruise ship
Although draped in "friendship" and humanitarian assistanceship, US helps Israel primarily because, Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East. Here is what Washington lawmakers put on Israel: [note the word "asset"]
Israel: A Strategic Asset for the United States
 
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Since 1967, the U.S.-Israel relationship has increasingly become a mutually beneficial affair:

1. Israel is the most productive, cost-effective, battle-tested laboratory for the U.S. defense industries and armed forces, as demonstrated by the F-35, F-16 and F-15 fighter jets—as well as by hundreds of additional U.S. military systems employed by Israel. This unique Israeli combat experience has promoted U.S. military systems throughout the world, advancing U.S. exports.

Israel’s battle experience has been shared with the U.S. armed forces, such as special forces on their way to Iraq and Afghanistan, who spend two to three weeks in Israel being trained by Israel’s top experts on neutralizing car bombs, suicide bombers and Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs).

Furthermore, the Israeli battle experience (wars and counter-terrorism) has been shared with the United States, impacting much of the U.S. Army battle-tactic formulation in Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas.

2. Israel is the most productive external source of military intelligence for the United States, exceeding all NATO countries combined (e.g., the entire Iranian nuclear archive; battle tactics of potential and actual enemies; advantages and disadvantages of hostile military systems; counter-terrorism; and preempting Middle East flare-ups). Israel has assisted in foiling anti-U.S. terrorism and attempts to topple pro-U.S. Arab regimes.

3. Israel is a most innovative hub of U.S. commercial high-tech, second only to the United States, hosting research and development centers of some 250 U.S. high-tech giants, such as Intel, Microsoft, Amazon, Cisco, Apple, HP, Kodak, Google, Facebook, IBM, AOL, Applied Materials, Johnson & Johnson, etc. These U.S. giants leverage the brainpower of Israel—the “Startup Nation”—in order to expand U.S. production, exports and employment.

4. Israel is a uniquely reliable, effective and democratic outpost of the United States in the extremely critical area between Europe, Asia and Africa, the Mediterranean, the Red Sea, the Indian Ocean, the Arabian Sea and the Persian Gulf, which extends the strategic reach of the United States, with no need for additional U.S. military personnel.

As stated by the late Gen. Alexander Haig, a former Supreme Commander of NATO and U.S. Secretary of State: Israel is the largest U.S. aircraft carrier, which does not require a single boot on board, is located in a most strategic area for U.S. military and economic interests, and cannot be sunk. If there were not an Israel in the eastern flank of the Mediterranean, the United States would have to dispatch a few more aircraft carriers to the region, in addition to a few more ground divisions, at an annual (manufacturing, deployment, maintenance) cost of $15 billion to $20 billion.

In conclusion, Israel is a unique military and commercial force multiplier for the United States.
 
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Jews got money form US, pay 75% for US stuff.
Muslim countries which got aid form US buy US flags and burn them. :D


The 1x1 US-Israel Tutorial (generally)

Should the U.S. be sending aid to Israel?
Yet another iteration to this question, which is clearly one of the most commonly asked on Quora:

Why does the US give ‘financial support’ for Israel?

The US government has decided that spending in excess of $120 billion per year to promote its geopolitical goals is worth it. And the $3 billion of credits that is given to Israel against purchase of US military hardware is chump change compared to what it actually spends on other allies.

David Vine, a professor at American University, states in Base Nation: How U.S. Military Bases Abroad Harm America and the World that there are 150,500 American troops stationed in seventy countries around the globe. The cost estimate to the American taxpayer annually is at least $85-100 billion. Once the real costs are calculated, the largest aid recipient is Japan, where 48,828 US military personnel are stationed. This translates into a US military aid package of over $27 billion. Germany, with 37,704 US troops on its soil, receives aid equivalent to around $21 billion; South Korea, with 27,553 US troops, receives over $15 billion; and Italy receives at least $6 billion.

What does the US government get from those credits?

While the Israel-haters would like to present the US military aid package as some kind of ‘no strings attached’ gift, the reality is more of an exchange of goods and services, as well as the fulfillment of promises made by the US in peace treaties.

Containment of Soviet/Russian Influence

One telling point is that the US did not support Israel militarily until after 1967, and economically perhaps not until the 1980’s. The Cold War dominated US geopolitics, spurring endless operations to contain Soviet influence in nearly every corner of the globe. Only when Israel proved itself as a worthwhile adversary to the Soviet client states that surrounded it in 1967 did the US support begin.

Although the Cold War is over, in many ways the US behavior towards Russia is similar to that of the USSR. In the following chart, note how the nations who receive the most US aid are adjacent to Russia and her allies (Syria, Iran, Hizbullah).

United States foreign aid - Wikipedia

A US aircraft carrier in a troubled region

Israel exists in a highly strategic and yet highly unstable region. And yet even the most ardent Israel-hater must agree that Israel can be counted upon as a most reliable US ally. US Secretary of State Alexander Haig likened Israel to “the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.” It could be added that this ‘aircraft carrier’ does not cost nearly as much as the floating variety (carriers are hugely expensive to build and maintain). It could and perhaps should be noted that the US does now operate a very small base in Israel, with about 100 personnel. Israel philosophically finds it distasteful to have a foreign base on its soil, but the size and benefits of this mini-base were enough for it to make this one exception.

The cost of maintaining a US military presence in Germany and Japan, very wealthy nations which exist in much less volatile or strategic regions, is estimated to cost US taxpayers at least $20 billion per year for each nation. Israel is quite a bargain in comparison.

Balance of military aid

US provides economic and military aid to several nations who exhibit lukewarm acceptance of Israel’s existence if not outright hostility. Israel’s immediate neighbors figure large on the list of US aid, as do the terror centers of Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Camp David Accords, which provides many geopolitical benefits to the US, promised Egypt substantial economic and military aid. If one wants to be seen as fair and balanced, equal assistance must be given to both sides.

Camp David Accords - Wikipedia

Furthermore, US has sold advanced military hardware worth tens of billions of dollars to wealthy Arab petro-states who have regularly demanded Israel’s destruction in the past. If you want to make the sale and yet keep Israel as an ally, you have to provide some reciprocity.

Boost domestic defense industry

With new Obama regulations, 100% of US aid to Israel is spent on buying equipment from the US. This is distinctly in contrast to US military spending in Germany and Japan, for example. In those nations much of the military budget is spent locally, aiding the local economy much more than that of the US.

Control of the sale of Israeli weaponry to US rivals

Israeli high tech weaponry is valued throughout the world, and sought after by many nations, including some which are not exactly friendly to US interests. To exert this specific influence over Israel, which also affects Israeli GDP, some incentive must be provided by the US.

US acts over Israeli arms sales to China

Intelligence Sharing

A recent Trump scandal in the last few months revealed a bit of the reliance of the US intelligence community on the Mossad. Trump revealed to Russia some details of a Mossad operation whereby Israeli agents penetrated Islamic State and discovered their plan to plant bombs in laptop computers taken onboard commercial aircraft bound for the US.

It is clear that the US relies on Mossad for access to crucial information, and this has been the case for decades. George Keagan, former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence, said that “Israel is worth five CIAs.”

Is Israel an asset or a burden to our country?

Application to a recent news item: when an Israeli F16 was shot down by a barrage of Syrian anti-aircraft missiles, the details of that confrontation is of huge importance to the US military. The US can expect to get extensive details that will help plan future potential interactions with Russian developed systems.

Joint military hardware development

Israel has a unique position in its cooperation with the US on development of military hardware. Many projects, such as the Arrow missile, are developed together to the advantage and cost savings of both.

Arrow (Israeli missile) - Wikipedia

Furthermore, Israel is a significant test bed for US military hardware. It was mostly Israeli-flown but US-built F-15 fighter jets that accrued the F-15’s enviable record.

From McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle - Wikipedia
:

“The first kill by an F-15 was scored by Israeli Air Force ace Moshe Melnik
in 1979.[57]…F-15As reportedly downed 13 Syrian MiG-21s and two Syrian MiG-25s. Israeli F-15As and Bs participated as escorts in Operation Opera, an air strike on an Iraqi nuclear reactor. In the 1982 Lebanon War, Israeli F-15s were credited with 41 Syrian aircraft destroyed (23 MiG-21s and 17 MiG-23s, and one Aérospatiale SA.342L Gazelle helicopter). During Operation Mole Cricket 19, Israeli F-15s and F-16s together shot down 82 Syrian fighter aircraft (MiG-21s, MiG-23s, and MiG-23Ms) with no losses.[58]
Furthermore, much information about the latest Soviet technologies were received during Israel’s many wars to defend its existence.

Safe Storage

Israel is the only truly reliable location in the region for the storage of US military hardware if US needed to get that material to a nearby theatre of operation quickly.

War reserve stock - Wikipedia

Defending Shipping Lanes

Arguably one of the most important roles for the sole global superpower is to maintain the safety of the world’s shipping lanes. Much of what can be said in praise of Pax Romana and Pax Britannia was their defense of trade routes, and the increase in global wealth because of that. In this regard, Israel is a great help to the US, considering its location near to the Horn of Africa and one of the most notorious shipping bottlenecks accessed by Somali pirates.

Israeli guards repel Somali pirate attack on cruise ship

Israel: A Strategic Asset for the United States

Omnipotent AIPAC lobbyists?

In spite of all of this, Israel haters love to single out AIPAC as having immense influence in Washington. Even though it is clear that AIPAC is hardly the most powerful lobby for a foreign nation in Washington, we could also look to the success of AIPAC in lobbying congress to vote against Obama’s Iran deal. AIPAC failed completely. Omnipotent? Perhaps not.

Here is a list of the funding of foreign lobbyists:

Foreign Lobby Watch

“In 2010, foreign governments spent approximately $460 million on lobbying Congress
and the U.S. Government.[162] Between 2015–2017, the Saudi Arabia paid $18 million to 145 registered lobbyists
to influence the U.S. government.[163]”

From: Lobbying in the United States - Wikipedia

Where is the outrage about South Korea and Japan, who spend far more than Israel in lobbying the US government? But even foreign nations pale in comparison to the top lobbyist groups:

Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets


Why does the US provide so much foreign aid (roughly $2.5 billion per year) to Israel?
US provides economic and military aid to plenty of nations in the region. Israel's neighbors are also big recipients of US aid, as are terrorist ridden Pakistan and Afghanistan.
main-qimg-855958d77bacf5e8a3236251f6a09bab

United States foreign aid

Why does US provide aid to Israel?
  1. Managing Russian presence: It is not an accident that all the nations above that receive the most aid border Russian sphere of influence. Russia and and its allies (Iran and Syria) are deep into Middle East. To fight that, US arms Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Ukraine, Turkey, Jordan... Israel is the most capable power in the region to fight back a possible Russian expansion and thus receives the most American aid. Russia on its part arms Hizbollah, Hamas and other anti-Israeli militants. Cold war is still on. I will use an old map to illustrate this fact.
main-qimg-73d78dec73a77e504081ec07d6251d7e-lq

  1. However, these days Israel looks to build more relationship with Russia and that is not good for the US - it needs to pull its ally back with more candies.
  2. Boost domestic defense industry: 75% of US aid to Israel is spent on buying equipment from the US. This is sort of like your car dealer providing auto loan. Also arming Israel, would pressure its opponents to buy more from the US. US Senator Rand Paul set to visit Israel
Not sell stuff to China and other US rivals. Israel has got sophisticated tech that China, Venezuela and others covet. However, if Israel sells them US position will be at threat. Thus, US asks Israel not to sell a lot to China. US acts over Israeli arms sales to China
  • . When you tell them not to, you better compensate them with something else.
  • Intelligence sharing & War on Terror. Mossad is among the top 5 most powerful intelligence agencies. US relies a lot on them to get access to crucial information to fight the war on terror. Whether it is Iranian capture of American embassy or the Beirut bombing of US mission - Mossad was there to help. That help comes at a fee.
  • Arrow (Israeli missile)
  • - US and Israel jointly develop an anti-ballistic missile defense system. 50% of it is paid by Israel and a lot of manpower is from Israel. This would be much more expensive for US to make without Israeli inputs and thus more than pays for US aid to Israel.
  • Military bases. US keeps 6 war reserve stocks in Israel. War reserve stock
  • Israel is the safest place in the region to keep American missiles, bombers, equipment and hospital for the special forces. Those help come for a rent.
  • Aid US in managing the trade routes: Israel's position is very critical for US to quickly react to any threats to US position in the middle east. Israeli guards repel Somali pirate attack on cruise ship
Although draped in "friendship" and humanitarian assistanceship, US helps Israel primarily because, Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East. Here is what Washington lawmakers put on Israel: [note the word "asset"]
Israel: A Strategic Asset for the United States
It won't work.

He doesn't care about facts. He will ignore this and the next time this discussion comes he will say the same thing.
 
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Jews got money form US, pay 75% for US stuff.
Muslim countries which got aid form US buy US flags and burn them. :D
US regime steals $4 billion from American taxpayers every year to send to the racist apartheid Zionist occupation regime.

To what muslim country (that it hasn't recently invaded and occupied) does the US give comparable aid?
 
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Brother, people might laugh at me when I say this or might not take it seriously, but Israel’s days are numbered in the context
Of American support( unkay baap ka shafqat barha haath). Things are changing.

Reason being Netanyahu’s douchey policies and a VERY slight decrease of American influence and more importantly policies and direction
Only beny laughs but he forgets his father Adolf created a 1000 year reich and how long did it last?
 
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