Israel now supplying IAF with BNET secure jam proof radios and datalinks

[mig25]

Nope, it would have made Pakistan aggressor in front of rest of the world powers which would have help India.

I have to disagree. On the contrary, Pakistan could have been placed in an advantageous position -
1) The world would have been alarmed and stepped in preventing India from striking back. This could have left India with a deep wound to lick.
2) The Kashmir issue would be highlighted giving Pakistan an advantage. The follow-up action that India conducted with Kashmir could be prevented.

The main reason why Pakistan did not want to escalate was economic and political. Economic because given the condition of Pakistan's economy - there could be no chance for it to sustain the war. Political because war and it's ensuing damage would mean the end of the current PM's chances of winning again. Lastly, India's belligerent position and also the world's reaction before 26th also spooked Pakistan.

However, I remain stumped why Pakistan has not attacked India more strongly on Pulwama. It was so distracted with the events of 26 and 27th that strong condemnation even now for falsely(Pakistan's position on Pulwama) attacking Pakistan is missing. Any international report on the events of 26-27 start with the Pulwama attack but does not question India's audacity to attack another nuclear power with no proof. One gets the opinion that India was entitled to attack Pakistan to punish. The lack of heavy press on Pakistan's stance has handed India higher ground to attack at will if there was ever another terror attack, worsened by equal-equal kind of reply by Pakistan on the 27th.

India would also not wanted Pakistan to escalate on the 27th because India did not want war and did not want the Kashmir issue to be internationalized. Pakistan lost a chance with a tame comeback aimed primarily to please its citizens. India may have calculated this gamble and it has come out on top because the events of the 27th are not enough to deter India from attacking again when it chooses to. Thus, India created a battlespace for conventional skirmishes that did not exist before the 26th that will put Pakistan under high pressure.

Finally, audiences on both sides can claim their victories but if one steps backs and takes a holistic view, its undeniable that India called out Pakistan's nuclear bluff and created opportunities for conventional skirmishes in the future.

 

[Basel]

I have to disagree. On the contrary, Pakistan could have been placed in an advantageous position -
1) The world would have been alarmed and stepped in preventing India from striking back. This could have left India with a deep wound to lick.
2) The Kashmir issue would be highlighted giving Pakistan an advantage. The follow-up action that India conducted with Kashmir could be prevented.

The main reason why Pakistan did not want to escalate was economic and political. Economic because given the condition of Pakistan's economy - there could be no chance for it to sustain the war. Political because war and it's ensuing damage would mean the end of the current PM's chances of winning again. Lastly, India's belligerent position and also the world's reaction before 26th also spooked Pakistan.

However, I remain stumped why Pakistan has not attacked India more strongly on Pulwama. It was so distracted with the events of 26 and 27th that strong condemnation even now for falsely(Pakistan's position on Pulwama) attacking Pakistan is missing. Any international report on the events of 26-27 start with the Pulwama attack but does not question India's audacity to attack another nuclear power with no proof. One gets the opinion that India was entitled to attack Pakistan to punish. The lack of heavy press on Pakistan's stance has handed India higher ground to attack at will if there was ever another terror attack, worsened by equal-equal kind of reply by Pakistan on the 27th.

India would also not wanted Pakistan to escalate on the 27th because India did not want war and did not want the Kashmir issue to be internationalized. Pakistan lost a chance with a tame comeback aimed primarily to please its citizens. India may have calculated this gamble and it has come out on top because the events of the 27th are not enough to deter India from attacking again when it chooses to. Thus, India created a battlespace for conventional skirmishes that did not exist before the 26th that will put Pakistan under high pressure.

Finally, audiences on both sides can claim their victories but if one steps backs and takes a holistic view, its undeniable that India called out Pakistan's nuclear bluff and created opportunities for conventional skirmishes in the future.

Pakistan and India both have understanding of escalation ladder many here don't understand that, if we had killed high ranking military officials of India it would have started full blown war (which both countries didn't wanted.

Pakistan on 27th Feb closed the window which India created as new norm, now Indian military knows that Pakistan will respond and will not hesitate to escalate if necessary, If India had killed any personal on ground then it had given Pakistan opportunity to take out Indian military top brass.

 

[mig25]

Pakistan and India both have understanding of escalation ladder many here don't understand that, if we had killed high ranking military officials of India it would have started full blown war (which both countries didn't wanted.

Pakistan on 27th Feb closed the window which India created as new norm, now Indian military knows that Pakistan will respond and will not hesitate to escalate if necessary, If India had killed any personal on ground then it had given Pakistan opportunity to take out Indian military top brass.

Exactly! As long as the escalation you are talking about is not nuclear, India will control it. Like you said Pakistan will respond but only after India sets a precedent - exactly is What India wanted and achieved on the 26th.

 

[Basel]

Exactly! As long as the escalation you are talking about is not nuclear, India will control it. Like you said Pakistan will respond but only after India sets a precedent - exactly is What India wanted and achieved on the 26th.

Let the BRI and CPEC finish then you will see the real change in Pakistani posture, currently peace is what Pakistan want and also China don't want war in this region.

Moreover India also don't have control on escalation ladder because if they had then they would have not chickened out from 28th Feb strike threat with Brahmos missiles.

 

[mig25]

Let the BRI and CPEC finish then you will see the real change in Pakistani posture, currently peace is what Pakistan want and also China don't want war in this region.

Moreover India also don't have control on escalation ladder because if they had then they would have not chickened out from 28th Feb strike threat with Brahmos missiles.

And given Pakistan to internationalize Kashmir? If India was chicken, 26th would never have happened.

India on the other hand does not have to wait for any project like CPEC.

Anyway we digress. Let’s agree to disagree on if 26th met its objective or not.

 

[Basel]

And given Pakistan to internationalize Kashmir? If India was chicken, 26th would never have happened.

India on the other hand does not have to wait for any project like CPEC.

Anyway we digress. Let’s agree to disagree on if 26th met its objective or not.

India tested Pakistan and thought Pakistan will not respond but they got surprised, do it again and more surprise will come to India.

 

[Dazzler]

DA-20 Falcons made obsolete in a single stroke.

In your dreams. It made the entire AF and its assets obsolete within seconds.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

DA-20 Falcons made obsolete in a single stroke.

asian raptors will get air superiority the mintue they enter battle field .
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kuch yaad aya munney .

Proof that 1.4 billion indians have to buy and use the sciences and technologies of a different race that is more than 150x smaller than india, yet indians still got smashed on the 27/02/2019 by a nation that is more 7x smaller than it....................a clear indication of the inferiority of the indian race........

you forget to mention centuries of slavery . am i right ? @BlackMamba93

 

[Dazzler]

Just a shameful admission that in the age of netcentric warfare, the IAF lacked basic tools.

 

[Shah_Deu]

Exactly! As long as the escalation you are talking about is not nuclear, India will control it. Like you said Pakistan will respond but only after India sets a precedent - exactly is What India wanted and achieved on the 26th.

Wrong, you will not control it. A Controller can both Start as well as End whenever it wants. In this case you can just start it, and we will be the ones ending it. The higher the threshold of your Start is, the higher the threshold of the End from our side will be!

You can take the incident on 26-27.02 as a mould for future responses! Now go on and try and start whereever on the escalation ladder your Sire wishes! In case you want to try our resolve, we wont let your initiative go in vain, Never!

 

[Aasimkhan]

Wrong, you will not control it. A Controller can both Start as well as End whenever it wants. In this case you can just start it, and we will be the ones ending it. The higher the threshold of your Start is, the higher the threshold of the End from our side will be!

You can take the incident on 26-27.02 as a mould for future responses! Now go on and try and start whereever on the escalation ladder your Sire wishes! In case you want to try our resolve, we wont let your initiative go in vain, Never!

Indian dreams of becoming a local super power were dashed on 27 Feb by an air force 4 times smaller in size, It will need another 100 years to regain your lost reputation, if ever.

 

[mig25]

Wrong, you will not control it. A Controller can both Start as well as End whenever it wants. In this case you can just start it, and we will be the ones ending it. The higher the threshold of your Start is, the higher the threshold of the End from our side will be!

You can take the incident on 26-27.02 as a mould for future responses! Now go on and try and start whereever on the escalation ladder your Sire wishes! In case you want to try our resolve, we wont let your initiative go in vain, Never!

Pardon me for saying this but many here believe PDF is changing into an echo chamber and I agree based on responses that all sound the same regardless of the topic under discussion.

India has never imagined a scenario where Pakistan will not attack back. It is always a given! We never doubted that! However, the 27th response was meek in that it was not powerful enough to deter India from conducting another attack like this again. Let us assume that the Balakot bombing missed its target but you cannot assume India's aggressive stance here in dropping a bomb 50+ km into Pakistan.

If you believe shooting down a mig-21 and dropping bombs close to military establishments is enough to deter India from ever attacking Pakistan, you are mistaken.

In your own world where many believe Pakistan had no hand in the Pulwama attack, India attacked Pakistan on a false flag attack, it attacked a nation which is a nuclear power and you still believe 27th successful enough? India believes it saw a Pakistan happy shooting from within its borders and failed to take the fight into India. Moreover, Pakistan has failed to accept or prove its non-involvement in Pulwama or if balakot target was indeed a madrassa and not a terror camp.

Most reports online suggest India is entitled to conduct a surgical strike, an opinion that reverberated even before the 26th.

Not 1% of the press was spent on how India attacked Pakistan on what Pakistan believes was a false flag. Not 1% of the press was spent on proving the terror camp was an Islamic school and not a terror camp. However, a large part of the press was pushed to claim invisible trophies like the MKI.

You see as a nation you failed to attack the narrative that Pakistan houses terror camps. That was your biggest defeat and will continue to be a big opportunity for India.

I know as a response, I will hear "The chai was fantastic".. Indeed it is!

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Pardon me for saying this but many here believe PDF is changing into an echo chamber and I agree based on responses that all sound the same regardless of the topic under discussion.

India has never imagined a scenario where Pakistan will not attack back. It is always a given! We never doubted that! However, the 27th response was meek in that it was not powerful enough to deter India from conducting another attack like this again. Let us assume that the Balakot bombing missed its target but you cannot assume India's aggressive stance here in dropping a bomb 50+ km into Pakistan.

If you believe shooting down a mig-21 and dropping bombs close to military establishments is enough to deter India from ever attacking Pakistan, you are mistaken.

In your own world where many believe Pakistan had no hand in the Pulwama attack, India attacked Pakistan on a false flag attack, it attacked a nation which is a nuclear power and you still believe 27th successful enough? India believes it saw a Pakistan happy shooting from within its borders and failed to take the fight into India. Moreover, Pakistan has failed to accept or prove its non-involvement in Pulwama or if balakot target was indeed a madrassa and not a terror camp.

Most reports online suggest India is entitled to conduct a surgical strike, an opinion that reverberated even before the 26th.

Not 1% of the press was spent on how India attacked Pakistan on what Pakistan believes was a false flag. Not 1% of the press was spent on proving the terror camp was an Islamic school and not a terror camp. However, a large part of the press was pushed to claim invisible trophies like the MKI.

You see as a nation you failed to attack the narrative that Pakistan houses terror camps. That was your biggest defeat and will continue to be a big opportunity for India.

I know as a response, I will hear "The chai was fantastic".. Indeed it is!

Seriously Pakistan's response was meek because Pakistan shot from its boundries. Well by your logic US is a coward investing on CMs with ranges of 1000s kms because it will launch those wothout entering into hostile territory.

India can try to attack like Balakot again. Pakistan will carry Swift Retort again.

 

[mig25]

Seriously Pakistan's response was meek because Pakistan shot from its boundries. Well by your logic US is a coward investing on CMs with ranges of 1000s kms because it will launch those wothout entering into hostile territory.

India can try to attack like Balakot again. Pakistan will carry Swift Retort again.

I give up. Another perspective cannot enter minds that are already made up but still, I will try...

The attack on 27th was meek since it gives India opportunities to attack again. The cost of the 26th was not high enough on 27th to deter India again. The very fact that you unknowingly acknowledge that India can do it again is proof enough. Such a situation was unimaginable before 26th between two potent nuclear powers!

India opened a narrow but productive space within the battle spectrum that it will exploit. Pakistan had an opportunity to close that gap once and for all but it didn't!

Feel free to disagree.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

I give up. Another perspective cannot enter minds that are already made up but still, I will try...

The attack on 27th was meek since it gives India opportunities to attack again. The cost of the 26th was not high enough on 27th to deter India again. The very fact that you unknowingly acknowledge that India can do it again is proof enough. Such a situation was unimaginable before 26th between two potent nuclear powers!

India opened a narrow but productive space within the battle spectrum that it will exploit. Pakistan had an opportunity to close that gap once and for all but it didn't!

Feel free to disagree.

We will do it again. So 26 was meek.