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Israel judicial reform: Key bill becomes law amid mass protests

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Seems like they learnt a lot from Pakistani politicians. Corrupt governments are their own country’s worst enemies.
 
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Some Israeli user of the forum can explain why people are so mad about that?

I mean, common people interests are not judicial things.
 
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Bibi and extremist Ring wing Govt wants complete power, so they can hide their corruption and brutal treatment of Palestinians.
 
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Bibi and extremist Ring wing Govt wants complete power, so they can hide their corruption and brutal treatment of Palestinians.
But that is not the reason for so many Israelis making mayhem in the streets.

They give a fck about Palestinians.

So why they are so angry?
 
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Some Israeli user of the forum can explain why people are so mad about that?




I never voted for Netanyahu , but like every citizen in a democracy , swallowed the fact he was elected.

Now it is different.

His coalition are making changes in the ballance of power between the Goverment and the Supreme court.

The protests are about demoracy. Something Israelis would never compromise on.

It is important to understand that in Israel we do not have , like in other democracies , a constitution or a Declaration of Independence like in the US , that sets rules , limits the goverment , and protects basic human rights.

What we do have , is a strong supreme court that can interfere in Goverment decissions.

Israelis object to that " Judicoal reform " not just cuase they are simply bad laws that hurts our democracy .

Even those that support those changes believe that such changes can only be made , by wide agreement beetween Government and opposition.

It is true that an elected Goverment has the right to make laws , but it can not just trample over the minority nor force upon them laws that change the basic rules pf the game. Democracy is not the tyranny of the majority over the minority.

As it stands now :

The majority of the public are against this legeslation and the way those changes are done.

If there was an election now , Netanyahu and his Coalition would loose for sure. But elections are three years away and till than we only have public pressure and the Supreme Court to keep the Government in line.



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I never voted for Netanyahu , but like like every citizen in a democracy , swallowed the fact he was elected.

Now it is different.

His coalition are making chances in the ballance of power between the Goverment and the Supreme court.

It is important to understand that Israel does not have , like other democracies , a constitution or a Declaration of Independence like in the US , that sets rules and limits the goverment.

What we do have , is a strong supreme court that can interfere in Goverment decission.

Israelis object to that " Judicoal reform " not just cuase they are simply bad laws that hurts our democracy .

Even those that support those chances believe that such changes can only be made , by wide agreement beetween Government and opposition.

It is true that an elected Goverment has the right to make laws , but it can not just trample over the minority nor force upon him laws that change the basic rules pf the game. Democracy is not the tyranny of the majority over the minority.

As it stands now :

The majority of the public are against this legeslation and even more Isralis are against the way those changes are done. There is a mojority for changes in the Legal system , but such things can only be done by wide agreement.

If there was an election now , Netanyahu and his Coalition would loose for sure. But elections are three years away and till than we only have public pressure and the Supreme Court to keep the Government in line.



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If the court is not independent of the legislative and executive, Israel cannot be called democracy.
 
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If the court is not independent of the legislative and executive, Israel cannot be called democracy.




Indeed.

And I would add : a STRONG and independant supreme court is vital for a democracy.

What we see here is more of an attempt to weeken the Court and to politicize it.

I , want the court judges to be elected becuase of their qualifications and professionalism , not becouse of their political views.

Some here mentioned the Palestinains.

Of course this is bad for the Palestinians. You will have a right wing government with a Supreme court that will find it harder to interfere , not to mention judges influenced by political views.

Arab parties in the Knenest / Parlaiment , voted against this law. Same as all the opposition. They know well that a strong Supreme court is in their interest. Actually this is bad for all minority or weeker groups .

Whether it is Arabs , woman , immigrants. The poor.

The supreme court has always been the last line off defence for this people.


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Since its foundation

Since its foundation (1917-) "our colonial project" (Vladimir Jabotinsky) in the land of Canaan founded by Ukrainian and Polish emigrants, i.e. Zionism 2.0, was based on the Aramaic tradition of the first Zionism, Zionism 1.0, which establishes a brutal distinction between "a people" of dominant overlords and the dominated "people of the land", the Arab-Hebrew population

it should be remembered that in the 1st century "Canaanite slavery" is a 'idiom'

And the fracture between the (dominant) people and the (subjugated) population provoked the civil war and the war against the Romans that culminated in the destruction of the Temple.

The heirs of the founders of the Ukrainian-Polish Yiddish people have wanted to maintain the Fiction that "our (brutal) colonial project" is a democracy, and now that last fiction is crumbling.

In a certain sense this fight between Mizrahim and Ashkenazim is reminiscent of the old fights between Sadducees and Pharisees that began in the time of John Hyrcanus.

 
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I never voted for Netanyahu , but like every citizen in a democracy , swallowed the fact he was elected.

Now it is different.

His coalition are making changes in the ballance of power between the Goverment and the Supreme court.

The protests are about demoracy. Something Israelis would never compromise on.

It is important to understand that in Israel we do not have , like in other democracies , a constitution or a Declaration of Independence like in the US , that sets rules , limits the goverment , and protects basic human rights.

What we do have , is a strong supreme court that can interfere in Goverment decissions.

Israelis object to that " Judicoal reform " not just cuase they are simply bad laws that hurts our democracy .

Even those that support those changes believe that such changes can only be made , by wide agreement beetween Government and opposition.

It is true that an elected Goverment has the right to make laws , but it can not just trample over the minority nor force upon them laws that change the basic rules pf the game. Democracy is not the tyranny of the majority over the minority.

As it stands now :

The majority of the public are against this legeslation and the way those changes are done.

If there was an election now , Netanyahu and his Coalition would loose for sure. But elections are three years away and till than we only have public pressure and the Supreme Court to keep the Government in line.



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Here we have constitution and I can't imagine street mayhem due to that.
In fact, Spanish constitution was changed one decade ago to pay debt in first place and no a single street mayhem was reported :lol:.

I think, those protests are too ethereus, are for nothing, supposedly, the people who protest, from what they are afraid? from rulers become dictators? it's a nonsense. What is the supposed terrible thing that will happen? some example? a ruler who steal public money wont go to jail? that happens everywhere without judicial reforms.

The only explanation I could think: those are protests created by undercovers, by a part of the state who face another part, and by groups who are blackmailing government to get another things in exchange for remain quiet.
 
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Some Israeli user of the forum can explain why people are so mad about that?

I mean, common people interests are not judicial things.

Common people do not protest.

Only paid people protest.

West controls Israel using Israeli juditiary.

Now that power is going away, West is sulking.
 
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Another way of looking at it: Zionism wanted to do away with the immediate past that was Judaism as it was lived in the settlement area and, in the end, it has been the other way round.

 
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