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Israel Hijacks Aid cargo, executes hostages - Pak journo, Talat Hussain taken hostage

I think Arafat did when he agreed to then reneged on the camp David peace accords. He started the intifada thinking it would gain him more leverage. Boy was he wrong!

as you are wrong thinking that people under oppression wont resort to resistance --whether its stones or crude unguided rockets

israel's wanton disregard for human life and property is hardly new, nor out of character; but you are killing your credibility every time these incidents take place --whether its in Falasteen, Lebanon, or even Dubai & international waters where you have no sovereignty

israel helped promote the creation of HAMAS to overthrow the PLO. That worked well for you, did it not
 
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Do you know same deprived palatines sending rockets from their backyards? I wonder where they getting explosives.

If you read RiazHaq posts palastines have higher human developmeny index and higher calorie intake than India.

I wonder where they getting all the food and luxury goods?

Now you say everything is due to Indian Kashmir occupation.

And why do u think they are doing that ? Can you tell how and when Isreal was born ? And who were kicked out from there homes ? Can you tell me how many arabs have died since 1948 and how many Isrealies have died ?

Isreals are cancer to this world. There are main root to all terror in world.

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PPL saying Isreal did not attacked ships than wtf were they doing in there ships ? were they invited ?
 
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This fool Talat hussain would never go to helpless people in HUNZA VALLEY but is ready to make a trip to PALESTINE just because it is MORE GLAMOROUS and HEROIC.

What a hypocrite, instead of helping his own countrymen, he cares about others.

DISGUSTINGLY UNPATRIOTIC. These people enjoy every thing by virtue of our FATHERLAND but yet they shamelessly display their sympathies on others.

What does he think? Is Pakistan is some SWITZERLAND where all people are happy and don't need any help?
 
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After Flotilla Raid, U.S. Is Torn Between Allies
By MARK LANDLER
Published: June 1, 2010

WASHINGTON — Struggling to navigate a bitter split between two important allies, the Obama administration on Tuesday tried to placate an outraged Turkish government while refusing to condemn Israel for its deadly raid on a flotilla of aid ships bound for Gaza.

President Obama telephoned Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey to express his “deep condolences” for the deaths of Turkish citizens in clashes with Israeli soldiers on the ship, the White House said. He told Mr. Erdogan that the United States was pushing Israel to return their bodies, as well as 300 Turks who were taken from the ship and being held in Israel.

Mr. Obama called for a “credible, impartial and transparent investigation of the facts surrounding this tragedy,” the White House said. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said such an investigation could include international participation, something the Israelis said they opposed.

It is far from clear that these efforts will mollify Turkey, which accused Israel of state-sponsored terrorism and likened the psychological impact of the raid to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States. “No one should think we will keep quiet in the face of this,” Mr. Erdogan declared during a visit to Chile.

The deep rift between Israel and Turkey, which had cultivated close ties, puts the Obama administration in a tough spot on two of its most pressing foreign-policy issues: the Middle East and Iran.

The United States does not want to abandon Israel, which has been subjected to international opprobrium since the raid. The administration is desperate to keep alive indirect peace negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians brokered by its special envoy, George J. Mitchell.

But it also does not want to alienate Turkey, which is playing an increasingly vocal role on the world stage. Relations were already tender after the United States threw cold water on a Turkish and Brazilian effort to resolve the impasse over Iran’s nuclear program. Turkish officials complain that they negotiated the deal with the encouragement and agreement of the administration.

“Turkey and Israel are both good friends of the United States, and we are working with both to deal with the aftermath of the tragic incident,” Mrs. Clinton told reporters at the State Department after meeting with Turkey’s foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu.

She conferred with Mr. Davutoglu for more than two hours, rearranging her schedule. Mr. Obama’s national security adviser, Gen. James L. Jones, went to see him at his hotel before Mr. Obama called Mr. Erdogan.

Earlier in the day, Mr. Davutoglu harshly criticized the cautious American response to the raid, saying: “We expect full solidarity with us. It should not seem like a choice between Turkey and Israel. It should be a choice between right and wrong, between legal and illegal.”

He complained that the United States had delayed and watered down the United Nations Security Council statement on Israel, which condemned the actions on the ship rather than Israel itself.

Mr. Davutoglu demanded that Israel apologize for the attack, release the detained passengers, return the bodies of the dead, agree to an independent investigation and lift its blockade of Gaza. He said Turkey was prepared to go back to the United Nations for further action against Israel.

Israel, which defended the actions of its soldiers as a legitimate response to armed attacks by those on the ship, said it could not release the 300 passengers more quickly because they were illegal aliens and had to be held for at least 42 hours under Israeli law. Israel was also questioning 20 to 30 people who it says were directly involved in clashes with the soldiers.

“We’re going to do our best to heal the wounds with the Turks,” said Michael B. Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, who also met with General Jones and other White House officials.

But Mr. Oren said Israeli authorities had asked Turkey to divert the flotilla to the Israeli port of Ashdod to avoid a confrontation with Israeli forces. He said Israel would have unloaded the cargo of construction material and humanitarian aid and arranged for it to be shipped to Gaza.

Mr. Oren said the Israelis would undertake their own investigation, but he resisted calls for international involvement. Israel has been leery of international investigations since the Goldstone report, which faulted Israel for excessive force in its military strike on Gaza in 2008.

More recently, the South Korean government has won praise for an investigation into the torpedoing of one of its warships, which was aided by the United States, Australia, Sweden and other countries. The report found that a North Korea submarine fired the torpedo.

“The Israelis have traditional and well-founded concerns about international investigations,” said a senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “But everyone recognizes that for an investigation to be credible, others have to be able to vouch for the results.”

The flotilla case seems likely to harden Turkey’s skepticism about a United Nations resolution on Iran. Imposing more sanctions now, Mr. Davutoglu said, would only precipitate a confrontation with Iran in a few months, one that would be even riskier because of the broader tensions.

Asked what the best policy toward Iran is, he said, “Diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy and more diplomacy.”

Ethan Bronner contributed reporting.
After Flotilla Raid, U.S. Is Torn Between Allies - NYTimes.com
 
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This fool Talat hussain would never go to helpless people in HUNZA VALLEY but is ready to make a trip to PALESTINE just because it is MORE GLAMOROUS and HEROIC.

What a hypocrite, instead of helping his own countrymen, he cares about others.

DISGUSTINGLY UNPATRIOTIC. These people enjoy every thing by virtue of our FATHERLAND but yet they shamelessly display their sympathies on others.

How the hell u know that hunzans
needed help, sir U. are clueless and seem to be proud of it.

read on.

http://www.trivia-library.com/a/hea...with-high-longevity-hunza-pakistan-part-3.htm
 
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Gaza is under Israeli control and that imply administrations and all the associated rights and responsibilities to the territory under said control. Any trespass or intention to trespass deserve a response.

Slight correction.

Gaza is under Israeli "illegal occupation" that kills civilians everyday with bullets, helicopter rockets, tank shells, phosphorus bombs and starvation, that is exactly the reason why all those people from dozens of different countries were taking food and other humanitarian aid for the civilians of gaza taken hostage by a Country that does all this and rides on the back of US and successfully makes people like you defend their barbaric acts on forums like these.


Any trespass or intention to trespass deserve a response

What response do you deserve in Iraq and Afghanistan? and what response does Isreal deserve in Palestine ?

Even after the world has seen the American heroics in baghram jail, abu ghuraib and guantanamo you still have the courage to talk of obligations under international laws.

Go take a walk and give these justifications in your retired officers gatherings you surely will be applauded there.
 
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Just because someone criticize Israel doesn't mean they are anti Israel.
If Israel is held to a standard that nobody else is, that is anti-Israel.

what will be the charges against combatant passengers' captured by Israel ?
I'm not sure. Assault with intent to kill or an act of war? So you see, with this sort of thing, even the charges are a matter to be discussed between the sovereign parties because the context of the activity - whether the combatants did this on their own or as agents of someone else - isn't entirely clear until the affected neutral state - Turkey - declares its position.
 
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What a generous offer was made to Arafat in Camp David in 2000!

Gush Shalom - Israeli Peace Bloc

Israel's own Yuri Avneri--a former legislator--debunks the 'generous' offer.

You see: The Zionists are outright liars. They are deceptive. They have used the tragedy of holocaust to milk the Western world. Currently their hold is mostly reduced to American Congress where, in typical American political fashion, $$ is might and might is right. But even in America, thanks to the power of the Internet, their grip is loosening.

Zionists and their sympathizers: Watch out. As @TechLahore mentioned in one of his post in this topic, there are something inevitable in history and eventually the demographics are going to sort it all out. And you better pray that you have NOT pi$$ed off too many people by then.
 
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I have never said the Israelis were right to board in international waters. I argue it is really semantics becuase no matter what the boarding was going to happen. And that both sides are responsible not just the Israeli's. the fact that it happened in international waters. Is simply being seized on for propaganda purposes. I would wager you the same violence would have occurred in territorial waters. The I.H.H. was looking for a fight no matter what.

So let me ask, if Israelis knew that the boarding was going to lead to an altercation, why did the Israelis give them this excuse to fight when there has been a precedence set in the past of allowing ships through? What business does Israel have stopping international shipping from arriving at the port of Gaza which is not under Israeli control and there are no UN resolutions making Israel the guarantor of the port and the Gazan littoral waters?

The fault is primarily with the Israelis as they have no business conducting the boarding. Their blockade is illegal and has had a significant humanitarian impact on the already miserable lives of the 1.5 million Palestinians living like sardines in a 24x7 prison.

If someone tells me that the Israelis have a right under some International agreement to board then I would say, okay the law is on the side of the Israelis. However it is not, rather its on the side of those who are trying to beat the blockade.

If the other side has scored propaganda points, its because they have been given these points on a platter due to the sheer idiocy of the Israeli response and the fact that they have no legal cover for the boarding that took place.
 
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Gaza is under Israeli control and that imply administrations and all the associated rights and responsibilities to the territory under said control. Any trespass or intention to trespass deserve a response.

Since when? If it is under their "control" then why is there a need to blockade?
 
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This fool Talat hussain would never go to helpless people in HUNZA VALLEY but is ready to make a trip to PALESTINE just because it is MORE GLAMOROUS and HEROIC.

What a hypocrite, instead of helping his own countrymen, he cares about others.

DISGUSTINGLY UNPATRIOTIC. These people enjoy every thing by virtue of our FATHERLAND but yet they shamelessly display their sympathies on others.

What does he think? Is Pakistan is some SWITZERLAND where all people are happy and don't need any help?

Although I am not a fan of TH, he is a journalist and can go anywhere in the world to do his reporting. He was in Swat reporting from there so I really don't get your point.

Its probably an indication of maturity on the part of the Pakistani media to get out of Pakistan and get a better world view. Hopefully such foreign trips will open up the horizons of our journalists within.
 
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The most comprehensive video on this issue so Far.

 
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