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Israel Hijacks Aid cargo, executes hostages - Pak journo, Talat Hussain taken hostage

Another great post by @TechLahore!
I think our guest @Solomon is really suffering from some case of paranoia:

Again,
Echoes of Raid on 'Exodus' Ship in 1947 - Readers' Comments - NYTimes.com

is one of the most pro-Israel major news papers in America where most Comments are from ordinary Americans. I guess they too hold some kind of 'libel' against Jews?

Solomon: You perhaps need to go 'back to drawing board' and come up with better ideas. If I have my way--and I request the Mods--no one should censure you. Just breathe some fresh air. This is not a Taliban forum--we HATE the mindset of the Talibans, if you can believe that. And we certainly do not hate the Jews, contrary to your simplistic worldview and paranoia.
 
If images speaks for 1000 words; grab the message

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solomon save your breath. We all know what you Americans think, no need to waste people's time. I much rather hear disagreements from Europeans than Americans. You guys are like dead zombies programed to work for you Jewish masters. Nobody in Asia, except American colonies (Japan, Korea and Philippines) and some Indians, is going to look at this any diff than it's. Israel is a terrorist state and its actions are further proof.
I hate arabs with a passion but I've never been able to defend the Israelis. If a racist arab hater like me can't do it then be sure that there is smtg very wrong w/ Israel.
 
My friends' two cents:-

I heard there was a president of a superpower and he had got a Peace Nobel prize too. Haven't seen him around.

He got peace prize for continuing the war not ending it. You wont see him till Israel has achieved its target. Then he will come in all guns firing and arrange a truce. In the end he is the one getting all the praise and Israel is the one achieving his objective. Win win situation for both. Only ones suffering are the Palestinians.

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Diplomatic efforts for recovery of Pakistanis launched

* Qureshi phones Holbrooke, seeks US help to recover Pakistanis
* Malik asks Interpol chief about Talat Hussain’s whereabouts


LAHORE/ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday asked for the US government’s immediate intervention in the matter regarding the recovery of Pakistani nationals who were aboard Freedom Flotilla.

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told reporters that he had telephoned US special representative Richard Holbrooke on the issue of recovery of Talat Hussain, executive director of a private TV channel.

“Pakistan’s ambassadors to Jordan, Oman, Lebanon and the European Union have been asked to collect information about the whereabouts of the missing Pakistanis,” he said.

The foreign minister said an emergency meeting of the OIC should be called to slam the deadly Israeli raid that killed 19 pro-Palestinian peace activists.

“I will request the OIC to convene an emergency meeting as the Arab League has also summoned its meeting in this regard,” the foreign minister added.

“Freedom Fotilla was attacked when it was sailing towards its destination within international boundaries and in these circumstances Israel openly committed violation of international laws”, he added.

He said Pakistan’s stance on the Palestine issue was unchanged and the country still owned it but at present the first priority of the government would be the safe recovery of senior journalist Talat Hussain and his associates.

Qureshi condoled the deaths, saying the incident was highly deplorable, which should be condemned at every level.

Pakistan Ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani spoke to senior US officials and conveyed to them Pakistan’s request for help in tracing the whereabouts and status of the Pakistanis on board the aid flotilla.

“Islamabad has strongly condemned the attack on the humanitarian mission and it is seriously concerned over the well-being and whereabouts of Pakistani citizens and media personnel on board,” he said. Interior Minister Rehman Malik called upon Interpol to help recover TV anchor Talat Hussain and the other Pakistanis aboard Gaza aid ships.

The interior minister said he had contacted Interpol chief Ronald Noble and asked for information about whereabouts of Talat and associates. “I have inquired about the efforts being made for the recovery of pro-Palestinian activists,” he said. Malik said he had directed the FIA to remain in contact with Interpol in this regard. daily times monitor/ tahir rashid/agencies

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
Global outcry follows Israel's raid on aid ships

(AFP) – 9 hours ago

ANKARA — Israel faced a wave of global outrage over the storming of Gaza-bound aid ships Monday, as Turkey froze military ties, Muslim leaders demanded UN action and protests erupted in many countries.

UN chief Ban Ki-moon said he was "shocked" by the naval assault on a convoy carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists through international waters, while capitals summoned Israel's ambassadors.

As tens of thousands of people protested across the world, Ban called on Israel to "urgently" explain itself over the raid reported to have killed up to nine people, many of them Turks.

The UN Security Council went into an emergency session at which Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu charged that Israel had "lost all legitimacy."

"It is murder committed by a state. It has no justification whatsoever," he said.

Even the United States, Israel's traditional ally, hinted that the blockade should at least be eased.

Turkey, the Jewish state's chief regional partner, scrapped joint war games with Israel and recalled its ambassador, while Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan described the raid as "inhuman state terror".

Tens of thousands of Turks took to the streets, some shouting "Damn Israel!" and demanding "A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, revenge, revenge!"

Besides a "strong condemnation", the blockade on Gaza should be lifted and the interrupted aid cargo delivered, said Yahya Mahmassani, representing the Arab group at the UN talks.

Washington, Israel's closest ally, expressed deep regret over the deaths while US President Barack Obama told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu it was important to find out "all the facts" as soon as possible.

NATO called emergency talks for Tuesday and said it was "deeply concerned about the loss of life", while ambassadors from the 27 EU countries condemned Israel's use of violence, demanding "an immediate, full and impartial enquiry."

Muslim leaders united in condemning what Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas called a "massacre" and Arab League chief Amr Mussa said was a "crime."

The Islamist movement Hamas which rules Gaza urged world Muslims to "rise up" in protest, as Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denounced the raid as "inhuman Zionist regime action."

Lebanon's Prime Minister Saad Hariri said the raid was "dangerous and crazy", while Palestinian refugees and activists demonstrated across the country, chanting slogans like "Give us weapons and send us on to Gaza."

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak condemned Israel's "use of excessive and unjustified force", and his counterpart in Cyprus, Demetris Christofias, said the raid "constitutes a criminal act."

Jordan, the only Arab country other than Egypt to have a peace treaty with Israel, handed Israel a protest note.

The Vatican voiced "deep sadness and concern" and Middle East peace envoy Tony Blair expressed his "deep regret and shock."

Greece, which had dozens of nationals in the convoy pulled out of joint military exercises with Israel.

The UN Special Rapporteur for the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Richard Falk, called for a worldwide boycott and sanctions against Israel for its "murderous behaviour."

The pan-Islamic Organisation of the Islamic Conference called on Israel to release all the boats and arrested activists and take action against those responsible for the raid.

Pakistan "strongly condemned" the attack and Kuwait's parliament speaker said it was a "heinous Israeli crime."

And Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, said "there was no basis" for Israel's assault.

Catherine Ashton, the European Union's foreign policy chief, also condemned the violence saying in a statement that it had "produced a high number of victims among the members of the flotilla".

She called for a full, impartial inquiry.

Several European countries summoned their Israeli ambassadors while Spain -- -- the current European Union president -- slammed the operation as "unacceptable".

France's President Nicolas Sarkozy accused Israel of a "disproportionate use of force" while German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she had telephoned the leaders of both Israel and Turkey to express her "deep concern".

British Prime Minister David Cameron described Israel's raid of a Gaza-bound aid flotilla as "unacceptable" and urged the Jewish state to "respond constructively" to criticism of its actions.

Italy's Foreign Minister Franco Frattini condemned a "crude violation" of international law.

Copyright © 2010 AFP. All rights reserved
 
Sorry BB, you know if I digress too much from the thread topic I would be violating the rules, and there's already been one complaint.

Dont be sorry solomon , it would have been nice if you didn't disgraced the Blood of the Innocent People.
 
Jigs was right !

 
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Turks aren't Arabs.

Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Sudan, the Arabian Peninsula, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon. That's more than half by count, and far more than that by weighted population. (Did I leave some countries out?) Essentially every country but Morocco, Qatar, and Tunisia gave most of its Jews the boot. Some of Syria's remain but that, in my opinion, is more because Alawite-run Syria is a mini-Empire of its own and values the Jews as some sort of balance to the others.

I had intentionally left Iranians--who still host 30,000+ Jews in Iran in peace-- out in my post. I had also intentionally left out the fact as to why the Arabs would oppose the Jews coming back--basically riding on the tanks to the Middle East around the 2nd World War; may be you never care to look into the laws of Cause n Effect? Yeah, simpler world is better. You are the victim. Forever. And so you can victimize others forever.

You need to explain what you are trying to say: Is is the Muslim who hate the Jews? Or is it Iran--which wants to 'wipe you off the face of the world'? Or is it Arabs? What about the Turks now?

I think you are smart enough to know that what kind of tragedy was done to the Jews was done by Christinian EUROPEANS around the 2nd World War and that for you to come waltzing into the Middle East, expecting Arabs/Palestinians to just accommodate you without resistance based on your thousands of years of claims was...a bit too naive.

But deep down you should know that the Europeans ethnically-cleansed you and dumped you in the Middle East to 'solve' their problem? Deep down you should know that you belong in the Middle East and not 'the West'? Deep down you show know that the old game of labelling everyone as 'anti-Semite' is not going to work anymore? Deep down you SHOULD know that colonialism was...so 19th century and will not work in the Information Age.
 
I'm leaving aside the historical background, the decades of mutual antagonism and the deep emotion that this conflict invariably attaches - because we've all heard that debate many times over - to focus on the actual incident.

IMHO, these are the emerging 'facts'* (facts which could change as the situation is evolving):

1. That the people who were running the flotilla planned to challenge Israel's blockade, or in other words challenge it's 'authority' (justified or otherwise, I'm not interested in getting into an argument over this issue on this thread).

2. That, in doing so, they knew the risk they were taking.

3. That the flotilla appears to be comprised of, or backed by, a quite diverse set of peoples from across the world. This does not seem to be a regional initiative only.

4. That "Five of the six ships were seized without the use of force" and that resistance came from the "Turkish-flagged MV Mavi Marmara".

5. That Israel's objective in seizing the ships was to submit the cargo to checks before it being allowed to be transported to Gaza.

6.That the authorities on the Turkish ship refused to be boarded.

7.That soon after there was violence on the ship.

9. That 9 or more people on the ship may have been killed, most of them Turks. That 10 Israeli soldiers were wounded.

10. That - from the videos - there seems to be some sort of a melee on the ship but it is unclear what is happening;

11. I see people getting assaulted, but I do not see the kind of attack (guns, grenades etc) that should trigger a retaliation that results in more than 9 people getting killed.

12. That this incident happened in international waters.

My interim conclusion is that Israel has overreacted and will find it hard to get much sympathy, if the above facts hold true.

As an aside, Pakistani and Indian forummers may find some parallels in our mutual history before 1947. Public rallies, emotional crowds, something gets out of hand, the British admin overreacts and you have a terrible incident.


*: I'm using wiki as a source. I know it's wiki, so you could take the above 'facts' with a pinch of salt. But I'll go with it for now.

Gaza flotilla clash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Countries which criticized the Israeli raid on the flotilla.

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I wonder why Australia is quiet , one of their men got shot !
 
flotilla attack: world unites in condemnation of Israel's actions



Israel's calculated gamble in sending commandos to raid the Mediterranean flotilla looked likely last night to exact a high price, leaving it increasingly isolated internationally and diplomatically and losing the vital public relations war in the Middle East.

The first and biggest casualty of what appeared to many as a rash act of night time derring-do was Israel's relationship with what used to be its key strategic, regional and Muslim ally, Turkey.

Anger erupted on the streets of Istanbul and Ankara, with Israeli flags burned and the Netanyahu government advising Israelis to stay away from Turkey. Thousands took to the streets and marched on the Israeli consulate.

Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, described the Israeli raid as "an act of inhumane state terrorism", while the foreign ministry spoke of "an act of piracy" and of "irreparable damage" to relations between Ankara and Tel Aviv.

Three of the six ships flew the Turkish flag, the convoy was organised by a Turkish charity, and several hundred of those on board the ships were Turks. "We had a very good relationship with Israel, but we have had all kind of difficulties in the past," said a senior diplomat in Ankara, Selim Yenel. "This tops them all."

Protesters scaled the high fences protecting the Israeli consulate in Istanbul, only to be repelled by security forces.

"I cried all night. What Israel did was murder and terrorism," said Mehmet Tas, a computer software student. "Turkey and Europe should unite and attack Israel."

The fury on the streets was mirrored by high-level rage. Ankara recalled its ambassador from Israel. Erdogan rushed home from a trip to Latin America to deal with the fallout. Observers predicted a possible breach in diplomatic relations.

"Israel has targeted innocent civilians," said the foreign ministry in Ankara. "It has shown yet again that it does not care about human lives or peace initiatives."

Noting that the dawn raid occurred in international waters, Ankara hinted at demanding legal redress.

The Turks convened an emergency meeting of generals and security ministers and called off military exercises with Israel, as did Greece.

The United Nations security council was expected to meet last night in New York over the incident.

"I heard the ships were in international water. That is very bad," said Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general.

The Obama administration, while regretting the death toll, reserved judgment on apportioning blame.

"The United States is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy," said White House spokesman William Burton.

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, cancelled plans to visit Obama at the White House today.

Amid a flurry of diplomatic activity, Israeli ambassadors were summoned in Stockholm, Madrid, and Athens, while Spain, holding the six-month rotating presidency of the European Union, called a session of the EU's political and security committee.

Foreign governments deplored the loss of life and voiced outrage at the Israeli conduct. But amid a propaganda war between the Israeli government press machine and pro-Palestinian lobbies over who started the fight and whether any of the activists on board were armed, they were also wary of going further than verbal condemnation.

The common response in Europe was to condemn what was seen as Israel's disproportionate use of force. Even Germany, generally reluctant to criticize Israel because of the Holocaust, voiced horror at what Palestinian leaders dubbed a massacre.

"The German government is shocked by events in the international waters by Gaza," said a German government spokesman, adding that Israeli actions should observe the fundamental principle of proportionality. "A first glance suggests this basic principle was not adhered to."

Catherine Ashton, the EU's foreign and security policy chief, said: "I have spoken to Israel's foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman to express our deepest concern about the tragedy that has happened. I said there should be an immediate inquiry by Israel into the circumstances."

Her demand for an Israeli inquiry was echoed by European governments, but at odds with several other calls for an independent international investigation.

Guido Westerwelle, the German foreign minister, told Liberman that any investigation should be "comprehensive, transparent, and neutral".

While Israel generally prevents foreign politicians entering the Gaza Strip, Ashton was allowed in during her first trip to the Middle East in March. She called yesterday for a partial lifting of the blockade maintained by Israel and Egypt.

"I have also taken the opportunity to point out the importance of opening the crossings for humanitarian aid to go through, to ensure that ordinary people have a better existence than that which I saw."

William Hague, the foreign secretary, said that the three-year Israeli siege of Gaza should be relaxed. "I call on the government of Israel to open the crossings to allow unfettered access for aid to Gaza, and address the serious concerns about the deterioration in the humanitarian and economic situation and about the effect on a generation of young Palestinians."

The Russian government meanwhile expressed its deep anxiety over the incident. It described the assault by Israeli commandos as a gross violation of international law and called for a thorough investigation.

"Use of weapons against civilians and detaining ships in the open sea without any legal reason constitute obvious and gross violations of generally accepted legal standards," Russia's foreign ministry said in a statement. It called for the "earliest possible lifting of the Israeli blockade of Gaza".

Tony Blair, envoy in the Middle East for the UN, US, EU, and Russia quartet, said: "We need a different and better way of helping the people of Gaza and avoiding the hardship and tragedy that is inherent in the present situation."

All the evidence suggests that Israel is calculating that it can brazen out the chorus of criticism and limit the substantive damage to its relations with Turkey.
 
Obama regrets casualties in Israeli raid on Gaza aid flotilla

U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday talked with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over phone, expressing "deep regret" over casualties in Israeli raid on Gaza aid.

"He said he understood the Prime Minister's decision to return immediately to Israel to deal with today's events. They agreed to reschedule their meeting at the first opportunity," a White House statement said.

"The President expressed deep regret at the loss of life in today's incident, and concern for the wounded, many of whom are being treated in Israeli hospitals," the statement said.

"The President also expressed the importance of learning all the facts and circumstances around this morning's tragic events as soon as possible," the statement added.

Israeli forces on Monday attacked the aid ships when trying to stop the flotilla from reaching Gaza, killing up to 20 and wounding more than 30 others.

Netanyahu has decided to cut short his trip to Canada and the United States and fly back to Israel to deal with the aftermath of the incident.

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Obama regrets casualties in Israeli raid on Gaza aid flotilla

U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday talked with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over phone, expressing "deep regret" over casualties in Israeli raid on Gaza aid.

"He said he understood the Prime Minister's decision to return immediately to Israel to deal with today's events. They agreed to reschedule their meeting at the first opportunity," a White House statement said.

"The President expressed deep regret at the loss of life in today's incident, and concern for the wounded, many of whom are being treated in Israeli hospitals," the statement said.

"The President also expressed the importance of learning all the facts and circumstances around this morning's tragic events as soon as possible," the statement added.

Israeli forces on Monday attacked the aid ships when trying to stop the flotilla from reaching Gaza, killing up to 20 and wounding more than 30 others.

Netanyahu has decided to cut short his trip to Canada and the United States and fly back to Israel to deal with the aftermath of the incident.
 

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