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Israel didn't want to attack Kahuta : Think again

Well, I hope that someone will care to explain that how are we going to strike back and protect our nuclear arsenals?? As Santro says (and I hope with which everyone will agree) that Israel is trying to defame our Nuclear program; then after knowing this how will we avoid this as most of the media around the world is controlled by these people. . :what:


We won't need to strike back if we can deal with their propaganda effectively , if there is no reason left to defame Pakistan than there would be no chance for the nuclear doomsday scenario for Pakistan either.

But if hell breaks loose we militarily are capable of dealing with Israel and India both at the same time , Pakistan running out of options is the last thing they want this is why you are seeing this infighting , propaganda inside Pakistan and outside , ie Parvez hoodhbhoy stuff inside Pakistan is an open secret.
 
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Couldn't agree more with you , i have a friend at NDU [Pak] who just advised the same. But one point you must not ignore is that we need to get consensus amongst Pakistanis about who is who and what exactly they want to do and how will they do it.

Israel didn't attack Pakistan because of the consequences , India cannot attack Pakistan's Nuclear facilities for the similar reasons and both of them are playing their dirty game as you have just summed up.

To know the enemy we must know their intentions and scrutinize their past doings and dealing with us , we need to have a right assessment and a pragmatic strategy in place to open our options up in every scenario and we must communicate our countermeasures to the wider public and the youth.

IndoIsraeli designs against us are clearer than ever and it would be stupid of us not to prepare for it , not only to defend but also to react with deadly force.
You must agree that our Nuclear deterrent is one big reason why we exist as a country today and it must be safeguarded at all costs.

I hope our "liberal" mob understands it too.
Cheers.

Thank you couldnt agree with you more.
 
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I think our pak. Friends Are forgetting 1 part tht it was Pak who supplied nuclear secrets to N. Korea. And before tht also it was a known fact tht pak is collaborating with evil states for it's nuclear program. Ur own president & military head acknowledge this to the world by having setting up committee to see wht KRL did.
So plz rather writing conspiracy theory abt indo-Israel trying to defame ur nuclear orgy programme try to look into ur own past deeds
 
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I think our pak. Friends Are forgetting 1 part tht it was Pak who supplied nuclear secrets to N. Korea.

So what?? :what: Does only US hold the right to give nuclear tech to whomsoever they want?? Even if we did help N. Korea build nuclear arsenals, the main point is that N. Korea has proven itself worthy of having it.

And before tht also it was a known fact tht pak is collaborating with evil states for it's nuclear program.

Evil State??? So every country that according to india does not deserve nuclear program becomes an evil state. . :devil:

Ur own president & military head acknowledge this to the world by having setting up committee to see why KRL did.
So plz rather writing conspiracy theory abt indo-Israel trying to defame ur nuclear orgy programme try to look into ur own past deeds


All heads of state from Z.A Bhutto to Nawaz Sharif and army chiefs from Zia to Musharaf acknowledged the nuclear program. That is the reason we were able to achieve it.
We don't need to look back into our past. At present we are a nuclear power and the world must live with it.
 
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Following paragraph will help you in answering following questions

-Why exactly Israel destroyed Iraqi nuclear reactor? (Israeli mentality)
-Who exactly hit the orders?
While both Magal and Meshad were assassinated by the Mossad,of course the internal machinations leading up to their deaths were dramatically different.First, Magal. Concerns about her would have become acute on the desk in Tel Aviv headquarters as the various reports from the field were received, decoded, and analyzed, and it became clear that she had gone to the police and could create serious difficulties.These concerns would have been passed up the administrative ladder, eventually landing on the desk of the head of the Mossad,where the final decision to "take her out" would be made.Her assassination was in the category of an operational emergency, the sort of situation that arises during operations,where decisions have to be made relatively quickly based on the precise circumstances of the case.The decision to execute Meshad, however, emanated from an ultra-secret internal system involving a formal "execution list," and requiring the personal approval of the prime minister of Israel. The number of names on that list varies considerably,from just one or two up to 100 or so, depending upon the extent of anti-Israeli terrorist activities.A request to place someone on the execution list is made by the head of the Mossad to the prime minister's office. Let's say, for example, there was a terrorist attack on an Israeli target — which doesn't necessarily mean Jewish, incidentally. It could be a bomb attack on an El Al office in Rome, for instance, that killed some
Italian citizens. But that would constitute an attack on Israel,since it was designed to discourage people from using El Al, anIsraeli airline.
Let's say the Mossad knew for certain that Ahmed Gibril was the culprit who ordered and/or organized the attack. At that point, it would recommend Gibril's name to the PMO, and the prime minister in turn would send it to a special judicial committee, so secret that the Israeli supreme court doesn't even know it exists.The committee, which sits as a military court and tries accused terrorists in absentia, consists of intelligence personnel, military people, and officials from the justice department. Hearings, in a court-like setting, are held at various locations, often at someone's private residence. Both the personnel on the committee and the location of the trial are changed for each case.Two lawyers are assigned to the case, one representing the state,
or the prosecution, the other the defense, even though the accused is unaware of the whole process. The court then decides on the basis of the vidence presented whether this man — in this case,Gibril — is guilty as charged. If he is found guilty, and at this stage the accused usually are, two things can be ordered by the "court":
either bring him to Israel for trial in a regular court; or, if that is too dangerous or simply impossible, execute him at the first possible opportunity.
But before the hit is carried out, the prime minister must sign the execution order. The practice differs, depending upon the prime minister. Some sign the document in advance. Others insist on first determining whether the hit would create any political difficulties at a given time.In any event, one of the first duties of any new Israeli prime minister is to read the execution list and decide whether or not to initial each name on it.

Some operational detail how Israelis destroyed Iraqi nuclear reactor

It was on June 7, 1981, at 4 p.m. on a bright, sunny Sunday, that a group of two dozen U.S.-built F-15s and F-16s took off from Beersheba (not from Elat, as widely reported, since that is adjacent to Jordanian radar), on a treacherous 90- minute, 650-mile journey across hostile countries to Tuwaitha, just outside Baghdad, intent on blasting the Iraqi nuclear plant to kingdom come.Accompanying them was what looked like an Aer Lingus commercial carrier (the Irish lease their planes to Arab countries,so it wouldn't seem out of place), but in truth was an Israeli Boeing 707 refueling aircraft. The fighters kept in close formation,with the Boeing flying directly underneath, to make it appear as if there was only one aircraft, a civilian plane on a civilian route. The fighters were flying on "silent," meaning they transmitted no messages, but they did accept them from a backup Electronic Warfare & Communications plane, which also served to jam other signals, including hostile radar.About halfway there, over Iraqi territory, the Boeing refueled the fighter aircraft. (The return flight to Israel was too long to accomplish without refueling, and they couldn't risk trying it after the attack since they might be pursued; hence the brazen refueling directly over Iraq.) The refueling complete, the Boeing peeled off from the formation, accompanied by two of the fighter aircraft for protection, cutting northwest through Syria, eventually landing in Cyprus, as if on a regular commercial route. The two
fighters stayed with the Boeing only until it left hostile territory,returning to their base at Beersheba.In the meantime, the rest of the fighters continued on their way,armed with Sidewinder missiles, iron bombs, and 2,000- pound "laser-riding" bombs (which ride a beam directly to the target).Thanks to information originally obtained from Halim, the Israelis knew exactly where to strike to inflict the most dam age. The key was bringing down the dome at the heart of the plant. An Israeli combatant was also in the area with a beacon,sending out a strong signal in short beeps on a predetermined frequency to guide the fighters to their target.There are essentially two ways to find a target. First, you can see it with your eye. But to do that at speeds greater than 900 miles an hour you have to know the area well, especially for a relatively small target. You go by the landscape, but you have to know the terrain, recognize particular landmarks, and obviously the Israelis had not had the opportunity to practice their maneuvers over Baghdad. They had practiced over their own territory, however, on a model of the plant, before heading off to attack the real thing.The other method of finding a target is to have a beacon, a homing device, as a guide. They had one outside the plant, but to make absolutely sure, Damien Chassepied, a French technician who had been recruited by the Mossad, was asked to deposit a briefcase containing a homing device inside the building. For reasons unknown, Chassepied lingered inside and became the only human casualty of the extraordinary assault.At 6:30 p.m. in Iraq, the planes climbed from deck level, where they'd been flying so low (to avoid radar) that they could see the farmers in the surrounding fields, attaining a height of about 2,000 feet just before reaching the target.So fast was their climb that it baffled the defenders' radar, and the sun setting behind the raiders blinded the Iraqis manning a ring of anti-aircraft guns. The fighters then swooped down so swiftly, one after the other, that all the Iraqis had time to do was fire some of their anti-aircraft guns harmlessly into the air. But no SAM missiles were fired, and no Iraqi aircraft were sent in pursuit as the raiders turned and headed back to Israel, flying at a higher altitude and taking a shorter route back directly over Jordan,leaving Saddam Hussein's dreams of turning Iraq into a nuclear power in tatters.As for the plant itself, it was devastated. The huge dome cover on the reactor building was knocked clean off its foundation and the building's heavily reinforced walls wereblasted apart. Two other major buildings, both vital to the plant,were badly damaged. Videotape recorded by Israeli pilots and later shown to an Israeli parliamentary committee, captured the reactor core bursting apart and tumbling into the cooling pool.Begin had originally scheduled the strike for late April on intelligence from the Mossad that the reactor would be operating by July 1. He postponed the strike after newspaper stories saying that former defense minister Ezer Weizman told friends that Begin was "preparing an adventurous pre-election operation."Another target date, May 10, just seven weeks before Israel's June 30 election, was also abandoned when Labor Party leader Shimon Peres sent Begin a "personal" and "top secret" note saying he should "desist" from the attack because the Mossad intelligence was "not realistic." Peres predicted the attack could isolate Israel "like a tree in the desert."
Just three hours after they'd taken off, the fighter planes arrived safely back in Israel. For two hours, Prime Minister Menachem Begin had been waiting for news in his home on Smolenskin Street, with his entire cabinet in attendance.Shortly before 7 p.m., General Rafael Eitan, commander-inchief of the Israeli army, phoned Begin to say the mission had been accomplished (this final stage was called Operation Babylon) and all hands were safe.Begin is reported to have said "Baruch hashem," Hebrew for
"Blessed be God."
Saddam Hussein's immediate reaction was never publicly recorded.
 
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Along particular agreements over safety of military assets, strategic depth ever have to maintain in neighbour countries for not to let them over rated.
 
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love this vid.
and the expressions by the scientists. i was too happy like all other Pakistanis and muslims.
i'll never forget that day. thnx bro for remembering.
 
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And we are supposed to believe an insignificant bharti cyberworrier ? , the source is National defense university and is one of the most highly trusted in military circles around the planet and this is a piece of a research paper not some random dogma written by an Indian cyberworrier.

Lastly swami is not the only source quoted , i am surprised there people who could ignore it.

I do get what your saying and i agree with you, but lets put it this way, neither is Israel in a position to directly confront Pakistan and vice versa. Are the Israelis comfortable with Pakistan having a nuke, Off Course Not, but they have been informed on several official and non official channels that our Nuclear Weapons are for deterrence and meant only for our neighbours to the East. The Israelis have enough enemies to worry about, they cannot afford to add Pakistan to the list. Same argument goes for Pakistan, we have enough enemies of our own and confronting Israel directly will not be in Pakistan's interests.
 
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I think our pak. Friends Are forgetting 1 part tht it was Pak who supplied nuclear secrets to N. Korea. And before tht also it was a known fact tht pak is collaborating with evil states for it's nuclear program. Ur own president & military head acknowledge this to the world by having setting up committee to see wht KRL did.
So plz rather writing conspiracy theory abt indo-Israel trying to defame ur nuclear orgy programme try to look into ur own past deeds

Evil states, I dont remember that we were ever dealing with India for our nuclear program. This nexus of western countries + India + Israel are all for 3 and 3 for 1. The plan is already underway, Dr. A Q Khan's removal was just a beginning. My two Paisas.
 
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Couldn't agree more with you , i have a friend at NDU [Pak] who just advised the same. But one point you must not ignore is that we need to get consensus amongst Pakistanis about who is who and what exactly they want to do and how will they do it.

Israel didn't attack Pakistan because of the consequences , India cannot attack Pakistan's Nuclear facilities for the similar reasons and both of them are playing their dirty game as you have just summed up.

To know the enemy we must know their intentions and scrutinize their past doings and dealing with us , we need to have a right assessment and a pragmatic strategy in place to open our options up in every scenario and we must communicate our countermeasures to the wider public and the youth.

IndoIsraeli designs against us are clearer than ever and it would be stupid of us not to prepare for it , not only to defend but also to react with deadly force.
You must agree that our Nuclear deterrent is one big reason why we exist as a country today and it must be safeguarded at all costs.

I hope our "liberal" mob understands it too.

Cheers.

Israel has a Pakistan specific study group in one of its premier universities.. or at least had one. There are people in Israel who know fluent Urdu, Punjabi, balochi and Pashto.

How many Pakistani intellectuals or a study group knows hebrew.. let alone a centre for middle east studies.
 
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I think Pakistanis are too much obsessed with Israel - Almost to a point where they want Israel's attention (Similar to Indians Obsession with Pakistna).
 
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The article doesn't revolve around swami only & trashing swami's POV just considering his personality is dogmatic as there is absolutely no proof that he didn't say it.

He was part of the BJP a multiple time ruling party , one can take swami lightly but there are many many other sources which cant be ignored including ACM Anwar Shamim.
You don't even know the difference between Janata Party and BJP except that they both have the word Janata in their names.

A piece of advice for Pakistanis:
As Santro said above, how many Pakistanis did anything to know about Israel its strengths(apart from the omnipotent Zionist lobby) and weaknesses? This is the same problem with the Arabs also. At least in hatred show some level of maturity and competence. Success does not come by blaming the system, it comes by understanding the rules and learning to follow them. Then you can break the rules like Israel when opportunities arise.

On the topic, firstly, there is no reason why India would have allowed Israeli strike on Pakistan. India's economic position was very weak at the said time. Secondly if Israel indeed considered Pakistan a threat so grave, they would have made such a hulla-boo with USA. After all Israel's stand when it comes to its survival is clear.
 
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I would like to draw your attention to the future scenario. From now on your security forces have to draw a plan and exercise drill for the two possible situations. First would be what if some groups working in co-hesion with inidividuals working with in the defence forces try to take control of your nuclear arsenal. Mehran Navy base attack could have been an excersise for bigger things to come.
How would you handle the situation? Would your Government call for help from USA special forces? After that the next possible move by USA administration could be that they will demand to take over the security of your nuclear arsenal sites. How would people of Pakistan respond? It will create very explosive situation. That could follow with another Army coup. After the dust settles USA might also want to remove them from your soil. Will Pakistan Army let that happen? If not, could that lead to stand off between Army's of two nation? Since for the past several months relationship have been on downhill slope.

I would like to hear from all of you. I hope my questions are valid for the present time and they are not meant to be taken as offensive against your country.

Thankyou.
 
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Israel has twice destroyed to attack Pakistan Nuclear Plants one in the time of Zia Ul Haq by using the airbases of India but Zia Warned them that we have nuclear capability and we will use it on both India and Israel and and second just before our Nuclear Tests Israel Planes were roaming around India and also tried to come from Israel but Pakistani Air Force was on High Alert and we warned Israel of Nuclear Strike by us after which Israel backed off
 
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