Israel concerned: Saudi Air Force to outnumber Israel's advanced US jet

[Mosamania]

The gap is def. smaller than the 60's and the 70's.

Also the way of air war is different. Right now in air to air Israel is betting on it's superior A2A missiles. Israeli A2A missiles are superior in every way than their American counter parts. Did you know that Israel even refuses to give the Python family technology to the US for fear it will be sold to Arab countries? If it came to A2A and I had a choice between AMRAAM and Python-4 I would pick to arm my plane with Python-4s.

For instance it's not superior Israeli pilot skills and super human capabilities the reason they won the Dogfights as they like to publicize it is in fact the Safrir missile that was better than the Russian missile armed in the Egyptian Migs. That among other things like for instance they sent their planes on a 4 hour low flying over sea route just to flank the Egyptian jets which was a very successful strategy.

 

[TheJewverine]

Really? The gun isn't even pointed at the people, if this picture was showing abuse why is the Israeli soldier crouched? Why are the scared ids looking down the road.. Nice try, better luck next time...

 

[agentny17]

They got nukes, if they see war turns in favor of Muslims, then some high level Israelis would give go for nukes order. These Zionist oligarchs would be sitting in Washington while ME burns in Muslim and Jew blood.

Jews won't mind sacrificing Jews in case of that. Similar to WW2.

Pakistan got nukes too, Iran is next, and will be followed by the rest of the region..... And no they won't sacrifice their own lives, from previous wars with them we know that. They only fight if they have a huge advantage over you, other than that they run, escape, surrender..... Quran Surat 59:14. They will not fight you (even) together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls. Strong is their fighting (spirit) amongst themselves: thou wouldst think they were united, but their hearts are divided: that is because they are a people devoid of wisdom.

Quran Surat 2:94. Say: "If the last Home, with Allah, be for you specially, and not for anyone else, then seek ye for death, if ye are sincere."

95. But they will never seek for death, on account of the (sins) which their hands have sent on before them. and Allah is well-acquainted with the wrong-doers.

96. Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do.

 

[agentny17]

Also the way of air war is different. Right now in air to air Israel is betting on it's superior A2A missiles. Israeli A2A missiles are superior in every way than their American counter parts. Did you know that Israel even refuses to give the Python family technology to the US for fear it will be sold to Arab countries? If it came to A2A and I had a choice between AMRAAM and Python-4 I would pick to arm my plane with Python-4s.

For instance it's not superior Israeli pilot skills and super human capabilities the reason they won the Dogfights as they like to publicize it is in fact the Safrir missile that was better than the Russian missile armed in the Egyptian Migs. That among other things like for instance they sent their planes on a 4 hour low flying over sea route just to flank the Egyptian jets which was a very successful strategy.

Also, the Egyptian Mig-21 only had 30 mins of flying from start to finish, while the Israeli F-4 had 2 hours. Egyptian fighters had to stop engaging because they had to go back to base so the fighter won't crash, and you know what happens when you give your back. One of Israel's tactics was to waste time, and wait for the Egyptian fighters to turn around, then attack.

 

[untitled]

Also, the Egyptian Mig-21 only had 30 mins of flying from start to finish, .......

Well you can't blame the Israelis for taking advantage of the fact that the MiG-21 had such short legs

The problem was what weapons we chose to buy

 

[agentny17]

Well you can't blame the Israelis for taking advantage of the fact that the MiG-21 had such short legs

The problem was what weapons we chose to buy

I agree, but it was the only weapons available at this time. It is diff. now

 

[Mosamania]

Well you can't blame the Israelis for taking advantage of the fact that the MiG-21 had such short legs

The problem was what weapons we chose to buy

Egyptians historically had soviet advisors to what they should buy use and what tactics implemented etc. Since Israeli wars were seen as test ground for the soviets they used to test out new unproven tactics for Egyptians as to see if they can use it against the west or not. Then Egyptians finally had enough of this and kicked the soviets out one of the reasons they did better in 73 compared to other wars.

 

[agentny17]

I think they will be cleared to buy F-22s and that's the whole reason behind this personally. But since the production line is closed do they have enough money to reopen it??

Musa, i can not answer your DMs for some reason, it says that i gotta have 700 posts.

 

[untitled]

Egyptians historically had soviet advisors to what they should buy use and what tactics implemented etc. ....

That is why some Soviet advisers were shot down too

 

[Bratva]

So let me get this straight...this thread topic is of importance to Pakistanis for what reasons, exactly?

I saved this sentence of yours for a future reference to remind you whenever you will be discussing Pakistani matters.

 

[Mosamania]

I agree, but it was the only weapons available at this time. It is diff. now

Actually no there were better options. I laughed and cried when I read the soviets wanted to test out if the canons on Egyptians Migs was enough to shoot down an upcoming missile so they instructed pilots to aim their canons at the missiles and fire....that didn't turn out so well.....

 

[untitled]

Musa, i can not answer your DMs for some reason, it says that i gotta have 700 posts.

That is right, you need 700 posts to PM

Post messages on his visitors message page here if you must.

 

[agentny17]

Egyptians historically had soviet advisors to what they should buy use and what tactics implemented etc. Since Israeli wars were seen as test ground for the soviets they used to test out new unproven tactics for Egyptians as to see if they can use it against the west or not. Then Egyptians finally had enough of this and kicked the soviets out one of the reasons they did better in 73 compared to other wars.

But they helped us after all, we should apperciate their help. We can't blame them for being technologically inferior to the US after all.

 

[Mosamania]

But they helped us after all, we should apperciate their help. We can't blame them for being technologically inferior to the US after all.

They were not so "technologically inferior" actually read my other posts to see for yourself.

 

[untitled]

But they helped us after all, we should apperciate their help. We can't blame them for being technologically inferior to the US after all.

No but you can blame them for making your jets gun/missile fodder