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Israel and Turkey move closer to reconciliation, normalized relations

I believe, Turkey will make sure that Palestine is not isolated... It is also important for Turkey to make relations, as otherwise, It should go into war with Israel, Greece and Egypt triangle which is plus to Iran and Russian alliance...
This way, Israel need Turkey and Turkey can use Israeli help against Russia.. Especially, i strongly believe that, Turkey needs Surface to Air missiles against Russian jets... That will be the game changer in the region!
Once, Russian jets will fall down from the skies shooten by "rebels"... , Russia will rush to leave the region!
Now, Israel also need it, to start the gas sale. basically, win win situation!
Putin played gas card against Europe, Now, Europe looking for another gas supply. They did the same mistake against Turkey! What a foolish guy...
More than Israel needs it, Turkey needs gas, as Israel can wait or sell it to somebody else. So, forget about "making sure that Palestine is not isolated", or otherwise go back to Putin and try to buy some gas from him.
 
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More than Israel needs it, Turkey needs gas, as Israel can wait or sell it to somebody else. So, forget about "making sure that Palestine is not isolated", or otherwise go back to Putin and try to buy some gas from him.
Whom Israel is going to sell it? to Bancrupt EGypt which will receive its petrol and gas for free from Saudi Arabia?
You need land border to deliver the gas... Otherwise it gets way expensive and nobody wants it.. At least try to read something about gas before willing to comment.. ponyal?
 
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Whom Israel is going to sell it? to Bancrupt EGypt which will receive its petrol and gas for free from Saudi Arabia?
You need land border to deliver the gas... Otherwise it gets way expensive and nobody wants it.. At least try to read something about gas before willing to comment.. ponyal?
Greece-Cyprus and Israel thought about exporting gas to Europe via greece.
Turkey wants to make sure the gas to europe pass thro her and not thro Greece and that's a clear interest.
 
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Greece-Cyprus and Israel thought about exporting gas to Europe via greece.
Turkey wants to make sure the gas to europe pass thro her and not thro Greece and that's a clear interest.
Turkey made it very clear before (even sent its submarines to protect the area) it will not let any gas export before there is agreement in Crimea.. Thats why, most of those countries stopped the work. Nobody would dare to fight with Turkey with its current military capability... I dont underestimate Israel, but there are almost the same powerful!
Also, recent Saudi Arabian king is from Muslim brotherhood, Which is close to Turkey. Thats why, Egyot also wouldnt risk to go against it. It was a very complicated situation there... But, im happy that not they are building up the relations..
 
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Turkey made it very clear before (even sent its submarines to protect the area) it will not let any gas export before there is agreement in Crimea.. Thats why, most of those countries stopped the work. Nobody would dare to fight with Turkey with its current military capability... I dont underestimate Israel, but there are almost the same powerful!
Also, recent Saudi Arabian king is from Muslim brotherhood, Which is close to Turkey. Thats why, Egyot also wouldnt risk to go against it. It was a very complicated situation there... But, im happy that not they are building up the relations..
Even if Turkey wouldn't lack military might against those nations (doubtful), it would get no support for it's moves neither from nato or it's closest allies (like the US) and would seem like the aggressor in the picture
there are many things turkey can do, but military action is not one of them.
 
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Whom Israel is going to sell it? to Bancrupt EGypt which will receive its petrol and gas for free from Saudi Arabia?
You need land border to deliver the gas... Otherwise it gets way expensive and nobody wants it.. At least try to read something about gas before willing to comment.. ponyal?
As LNG Israel can sell it to Poland, Baltic states, even China. Obviously without land borders.

Israel can also keep it and use it here, because Israeli economy does not depend on gas export anyway.
 
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UPDATE 2-Expected restoration of Israel-Turkey ties seen paving way for gas import deal

ANKARA/JERUSALEM, Dec 18 Expectations that Turkey and Israel will restore relations after a five-year-old rift have raised hopes of speedy progress in talks to import Israeli natural gas, potentially a multi-billion-dollar project.
Israel's once-strong ties to Turkey soured in 2010 when Israeli commandoes killed 10 Turkish activists when storming the Mavi Marmara, a ship in a convoy seeking to break an Israeli naval blockade of the Palestinian territory of Gaza.
Turkey, largely dependent on imports for its energy needs, has ramped up efforts to find new sources of natural gas due to worsening tensions with Russia after Turkish forces shot down a Russian warplane involved in bombing rebels in northern Syria near the Turkish border last month.
Israeli officials said a deal to normalise relations came after high-level bilateral talks in Switzerland. A Turkish official confirmed the talks, saying they continued positively but denying a final deal was done as yet.
Even during the rift, plans to build a pipeline and import natural gas from Israel's vast Leviathan field in the eastern Mediterranean Sea were never shelved, a Turkish source close to the talks told Reuters.
"Even the political authorities did not wish the talks to be suspended. We knew that once the political issue was overcome, the rest of the process would move swiftly," the source said.
Israeli officials largely welcomed the deal, but said Israel should stick to its guns when it comes to security and limiting of activity of some members of the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas living in Turkey. Hamas controls the Gaza Strip.
"The expected agreement, which has yet to be concluded, gives us, on the one hand, what we demanded - a heavy limitation on Hamas activity in Turkey," Zev Elkin, an Israeli cabinet minister, told Army Radio. "We should not fold. We should not concede. We should stay firm on our interests."
Turkey's Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH), which organised the 2010 aid convoy for Gaza that was stormed by Israeli marines, issued a 13-point statement on Twitter that it was not aware of any deal between Turkey and Israel.
"We think an agreement between Turkey and Israel will be against Turkey, the Palestinian people and the peoples of the Middle East," it said, adding there was no change in its position on the Gaza blockade and Mavi Marmara.

DIPLOMATIC VALUE

Israeli Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said normalising ties with Turkey had huge importance both to develop the Leviathan stake and to bring international energy firms back to Israel to look for new gas fields.
"I think that there is a serious, meaningful chance for thawing and normalising relations between Israel and Turkey. I also think that this is proof of the diplomatic value of the gas and the gas plan," he said on Tel Aviv 102 FM radio.
Turkish firms have long been negotiating with Israeli counterparts on a pipeline to carry Leviathan gas. Shares in Zorlu Energy, one of those firms with energy assets in Israel, rallied more than 10 percent on the news on Friday. At 0828 GMT, Zorlu Energy shares were 10.32 percent higher at 1.39 lira.
Leviathan, with estimated reserves of 622 billion cubic meters, will cost at least $6 billion to develop. It is meant to begin production in 2018-2020, although that timetable now looks ambitious, and supply billions of dollars' worth of gas to Egypt and Jordan, and possibly Turkey and Europe.
Both Zorlu Enerji and a consortium of Turkish firms Turcas and Enerjisa have been in talks with Israel over the price, the potential route of a pipeline, partnership structure as well as how to sell the gas, the Turkish source said. (Writing by Humeyra Pamuk; Editing by David Dolan)

UPDATE 2-Expected restoration of Israel-Turkey ties seen paving way for gas import deal| Reuters
 
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It is in both nations interests for the normalizing of relations, but i doubt it under current government.
 
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It is time to establish strategic projects between Israel and Turkey.

The first thing I think is Barak-8 missiles (as an alternative of SM-2 Block-IV) for Turkey's strategic TF-2000 destroyer project !
 
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The first thing I think is Barak-8 missiles (as an alternative of SM-2 Block-IV) for Turkey's strategic TF-2000 destroyer project !
It also has a land-based version, in case you need some SAMs along the southern border.
 
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It is time to establish strategic projects between Israel and Turkey.

The first thing I think is Barak-8 missiles (as an alternative of SM-2 Block-IV) for Turkey's strategic TF-2000 destroyer project !

Even if the relationship will go back to normal I don't think we gonna give such as advance weapons to you,your government is not reliable,we feel the same as we felt about Iran in 1979 , in our parliament the members always remember how our friends the Turkish people went out to the streets,burn our flag and shout death to Israel,no body want to come back to Turkish hotels, the only thing that has changed is your problem with Russia so erdogan want good relationship with israel till the next time,we can't trust Turkey unless erdogan is overthrown,seems the only Muslim country we can trust is our common good friend Azerbaijan,we give whatever they want,and produce license, and build our factory all around Baku and there is much more.
For relationship like this with Azerbaijan you should replace erdogan.i hope for both Israel and Turkey a good relationship like the old days.
*we don't hate the Turks just feel betrayed.
 
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Yeah , This is our world ...

Erdogan speaks about Ummah and weeps for his ISIS / Al Qaeda / Ahrar Ash Sham Muslim brothers in Syria while getting laid with Israelis .

We also have Saudi and Qatari big belly Sheikhs who cooperate with Israel against Iran and those poor Yemenis while calling themselves the spiritual leaders of Muslims WTF ? and form retarded coalition against the terrorism they themselves created and support .

I mean what the **** is wrong with these people !?

Israel Hatzolah is full crap. But either way, we don't expect anything from anybody in the region. You are no better than Turkey. Look at the region, the people have prioritized sectarian struggle to take over region. That's all that's important to every state in the region. So I don't want to see anyone play the Palestine card. Palestinians are better off on their own doing popular uprising. All we tell you people in the region is to regain some sanity.

Hamas isn't the only party in Palestine and they will be fine if something like this does occur. Palestinians are doing uprising against apartheid occupation while the rest of you killing/ravaging like crazy over nationalist agendas.

With Palestinians like you I couldn't visualize a different fate for Palestinians today . Stick to your Egyptian , Saudi , Jordanian and Turkish Sunni brothers and **** Assad , Hezbollah , Iran . They might do something better to stop settlement projects and massacre of people in Gaza and west bank .

Ask that super mighty Muslim coalition led by Saudis to help Gaza on their way towards Sa'dah .
 
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Yeah , This is our world ...

Erdogan speaks about Ummah and weeps for his ISIS / Al Qaeda / Ahrar Ash Sham Muslim brothers in Syria while getting laid with Israelis .

We also have Saudi and Qatari big belly Sheikhs who cooperate with Israel against Iran and those poor Yemenis while calling themselves the spiritual leaders of Muslims WTF ? and form retarded coalition against the terrorism they themselves created and support .

I mean what the **** is wrong with these people !?



With Palestinians like you I couldn't visualize a different fate for Palestinians today . Stick to your Egyptian , Saudi , Jordanian and Turkish Sunni brothers and **** Assad , Hezbollah , Iran . They might do something better to stop settlement projects and massacre of people in Gaza and west bank .

Ask that super mighty Muslim coalition led by Saudis to help Gaza on their way towards Sa'dah .

I tell you what,there is no one country or one government that care about "Palestinians" .
The Palestinian idea/ideology/movement invented by Arab states in1964 and get support from USSR to counter Israel and the Zionist movement during the Israeli Arab wars.
The "Palestinians are just a tool against Israel used by Arabs,as you can understand from your words nobody really care about them.
In the last years the tool,the weapon against Israel is actually working against Arabs,like a boomerang. For example king abdallah the same as king Hussein are much depends on Israel, Jordan have 80% Palestinian population and not enough water, without the Israeli support to the hashemite king Jordan will look like Syria or Iraq.
Another example all the gulf states need Israel to counter the ayatollah regime especially when USA lower the relationships since nuclear deal with Iran ,and us got her own oil and they don't need the Arab oil anymore ,actually us want to export their oil and us don't want components.Russia is like an ally of Iran and China don't gonna helped gulf states against Iran,it's not a secret that in the last years Israel and golf states are negotiate with each other ,the main obstacle between them is the Palestinians.
So a lot of countries around the world using the "Palestinians" when they need and than throw them.
The Arabs in the west bank or/and Gaza can reach peace with Israel but they choose terror,because they don't want peace they want to free Palestine(all what's between the river to the sea, if they throw the Palestinian fake identity and act like humans,only than they will not suffer any more.
I am really sorry for the normal people who just wanna live and during my military service in hebron nablus and kalkilya I met a lot of them,they really good people but they controlled by dictators who use them for power and money.
 
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Wonder when will Pakistan do the same. There is simply no point in not accepting Israel as a country. Those who complain should **** off with the hypocrisy.
 
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Wonder when will Pakistan do the same. There is simply no point in not accepting Israel as a country. Those who complain should **** off with the hypocrisy.
Pakistan, even wanted to be friends with this illegal state .. keep these words in your mind always ...


The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs. This lover of Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan. Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore India is the most important base for us to work there from against Pakistan. It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, the enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans. ----David Ben Gurion, the first Israeli Prime Minister Jewish Chronicle, 09 August 1967 -
last time i checked history , this is whats happening, even if india and Pakistan tries to solve Kashmir issue, there are some hidden forces which never let them do it ... this confict provides enough place for these Zionist to play their games against Pakistan as declared by David Ben Gurion
why do friendship with thsese Zions they are our enemy Arming india against us............
 
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