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Israel and Sudan to normalize relations

raptor22 said:
Well it's up to the people of these countries not my business ... who has asked them?
By the way as you said back in 78 Egypt got back its Sinai .. Jordan got back some area in west Bank in 94 .. what these people have gained in return? for Palestine?
Secondly the UAE, Bahrain , Qatar even Saudis had already established their relations with isreal for years behind the curtain so what is new which is taken as peace talks? just helping Trump and Bibi staying in power?
Third when on Earth we saw a war btw Oman, Bahrain , the UAE and israel that you call it peace?
At last how many round of talks have been held btw isreal and Palestine? Arafat was killed and Abbas has gone crazy due impossibility of the task ...
The issue would not got solved unless justice takes place. but I wonder how you guys planning to have peace with someone that is after destruction of the mosque?
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They have tried War with Israel, they have tried boycotting Israel with "The Three No's"; No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. Plight of Palestine hasn't changed, so maybe its time for a new approach? Iran is suffering under a lot of sanctions, some of it due to enmity with Israel for the sake of Palestinians when the Gulf Arabs don't even care anymore. Muslim world is better off in peace and prosperity than in poverty, war, sanctions.
Homo Sapiens said:
No amount of peace posturing from Palestinian side will win them a viable state with East Jerusalem as capital. Israelis will not allow to slip off West Bank(which practically 95% of proposed Palestinian state) of its control. Sinai was a different thing. Israel was forced to return that territory to knock out the most powerful Arab military from the equation of Arab-Israeli war. They understood very well, if they neutralize Egypt with peace treaty, then there will be no future Arab attack on them. To remove their existential threat, they paid price by returning not it's own territory but by giving back internationally recognized Egypt's territory to it's rightful owner.

Without creating credible pressure on Israel, there will be no peace in Middle East, which rest on just solution to the Palestinian question. And credible pressure can only be applied by United States, which US will never do. So what Palestinian do here is irrelevant.
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I agree, EGYPT shattered Israeli's confidence in 1973 war so Israel had to return Sanai. In 2020 what should Syria do to get back Golan? They should try to see if a deal can be made like Egypt and Jordan.
 
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Mirzah said:
I agree, EGYPT shattered Israeli's confidence in 1973 war so Israel had to return Sanai. In 2020 what should Syria do to get back Golan? They should try to see if a deal can be made like Egypt and Jordan.
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Israel will not give Syria the same treatment it gave Egypt as Syria is not a military threat to them. So no full withdrawal from Golan in exchange of peace treaty. Israel might agree to return only a small piece of Golan height which is not essential for their strategic purpose for such a peace treaty. That would be unacceptable to Syrians. In such a reality, Syrians would prefer low scale hostility with Israel rather then relinquishing their legitimate claim over entire Golan heights. So, I do not see any prospect of peace between Syria and Israel in near future. As I said only credible US pressure on Israel can solve the Golan heights problem.

Even if all the Arab and Muslim countries normalize relation with Israel one by one, still elephant in the room persist. That is, what to do with 5 million Palestinians under Israeli occupation in West Bank and Gaza and another 5-6 million Palestinian refugees in surrounding countries? Israel is not giving them citizenship, nor allowing them to set up an independent Palestinian state. They are in a perpetual limbo in Apartheid condition. This can not continue forever. Twenty Arab nations and 57 Muslim nations rejecting normalization with Israel could have been a big pressure for Israel and USA to compromise with the Palestinians and give them rights. But recent Arab betrayal of the Palestinians is removing that possibility. Sooner or later a big violent clash between Israelis and Palestinians is likely.
 
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This is the best time for Muslims to wake up and think about their own benefits.

If Israel didn't support Azerbaijan then Azerbaijan wouldn't be standing tall now. Islam has been divided into franchise like McDonald's Franchise. One lead by Saudis and another lead by state sponsored terrorist Iran.

To stand against Iran, Saudi Arabia will follow suit soon and normalize ties with Israel. UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Oman, Morocco, Sudan and Bahrain are following their own interests.

Time has come for Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia to normalize ties with Israel.

Donald Trump brokers peace deal between Israel and Arab league member Sudan: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...-brokers-peace-deal-between-israel-and-sudan/

Saudi Arabia Plans To Normalize Ties With Israel: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/10/10/saudi-arabia-plans-to-normalize-ties-with-israel/
 
Mirzah said:
after 70 years best solution of Palestine can be made through negotiations not war, Egypt made peace with Israel and got Sinai back which was 2 times the size of israel. Maybe Syria should try the same to get back Golan?
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negotiation is no the problem for Palestine, the issue is a FAIR Deal in the negotiations, which they cant get. stop all this rubbish about "Palestine should negotiate"...Palestine has and is the militarily weaker force, so negotiations are their natural and main way out of this....but should they do it when ISrael and the unfair arbiter US gang up to screw Palestine out of all they are owed?? NO. so we currently dont have a realistic, good ,fair option for peace between Israel and Palestine...but i believe it will change soon.


ALSO, if Saudis sign this scam deal with Israel, Iran will formally ascend to the Muslim leadership in the Middle East..
 
Mirzah said:
bashar is not Syria, and according to intl law/UN Golan is occupied Syrian Land
you will find druze in Golan who raise Syrian flag and call themselves Syrian
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Once a year small group of Druze make this show. All other time they are 100 % loyal to Israel.
 
polanski said:
This is the best time for Muslims to wake up and think about their own benefits.

If Israel didn't support Azerbaijan then Azerbaijan wouldn't be standing tall now. Islam has been divided into franchise like McDonald's Franchise. One lead by Saudis and another lead by state sponsored terrorist Iran.

To stand against Iran, Saudi Arabia will follow suit soon and normalize ties with Israel. UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Oman, Morocco, Sudan and Bahrain are following their own interests.

Time has come for Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia to normalize ties with Israel.

Donald Trump brokers peace deal between Israel and Arab league member Sudan: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...-brokers-peace-deal-between-israel-and-sudan/

Saudi Arabia Plans To Normalize Ties With Israel: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/10/10/saudi-arabia-plans-to-normalize-ties-with-israel/
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Should be, but politically there is big hurdle to handle such issue at home. As long as the Israel and her allies can give our politician at highest leadership level a way out from such predicament we can normalize the relationship. If not it will be political suicide for any ruling regime.
 
Mirzah said:
Muslim world is better off in peace and prosperity than in poverty, war, sanctions.
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What are you talking about? The muslim world did not chose war, war was imposed on the brown people by the west and by the Zionist entity.

By the way all those Arab countries having "peace" deals with Israel were not even in war with Israel, how can you have peace if you don't have war? The only ones who are at war with Israel are the Palestinians, heck forget about establishing a Palestinian state, those Arab traitors didn't even attempt to negotiate a permanent lifting of blockade and sanctions off Gaza in exchange for these normalization agreements.

Don't get me wrong though these deals are actually a good thing because they expose the Zionist Arabs, because we already knew that there are many Zionists among Arabs & non Arab muslims and this just proves our point.

Now that Arab leaderships are declaring themselves to be Zionists this will greatly help Iran.
 
Great learning lesson for Pakistan, when you are weak internally, you are low in cash, your elite is corrupt and army generals rule you=== > you end up being Sudan ====> your visas are banned ===> arm twisting by the powerful countries and you are forced to compromise of things you never even imagined.



Pakistan needs to be strong internally, both economically and militarily. So that you are respected in the community of nations.
 
dani191 said:
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Saudi people and royal house are not ready for that
It's clear Saudi will normalizing relationship with Israel but it's not easy in the kingdom
Royal house have powerful extremist members
MBS must sure nothing make problems on it
 

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