Israel Air Force to Participate in U.S. Drill Alongside Pakistani, U.A.E. Jets

[RiazHaq]

All load of BS. Pakistani pilots will never touch the Block 60 in UAE, the contract does not allow foreign military pilots (including US) to fly UAE F-16s. Only pilots from UAEAF and a few advisors as instructors from Lockheed Martin. UAE pilots have flew, led and conducted all those strike missions. Like I have mentioned before previously the only Pakistani pilots that are there these days are mostly flying PC-7s, PC-21s, and Hawk 63s that are all at the air college in Al Ain, and a few used to fly the Hawk 102 as IPs at Minhad but I have learned the last Pakistani IP has left that squadron. Some are on deputation from PAF, but most are on civilian contracts with the GHQ at Abu Dhabi.

There are Pakistan pilots, ex PAF, who now work for and fly missions for UAE AF. The US bar doesn't apply to them.

 

[Raider 21]

There are Pakistan pilots, ex PAF, who now work for and fly missions for UAE AF. The US bar doesn't apply to them.

UAE GHQ has contracts for them to instruct only. But none of the contracted pilots ever flew nor fly F-16s and Mirage 2000s for UAE. I know lots of ex-PAF officers in UAE who are with UAEAF, all are flying with the Air College at Al Ain. The US contract on F-16 E/Fs does not allow Pakistanis to fly them and the same with the French contract for Mirage 2000-9s.

 

[blain2]

Fact is Israeli copy of F 16 soufa is more superior than our F 16 blk 52 due to its radar and it's special air to air missile like Python and rafale

And that means what exactly? What is the basis for such statements?

UAE GHQ has contracts for them to instruct only. But none of the contracted pilots ever flew nor fly F-16s and Mirage 2000s for UAE. I know lots of ex-PAF officers in UAE who are with UAEAF, all are flying with the Air College at Al Ain. The US contract on F-16 E/Fs does not allow Pakistanis to fly them and the same with the French contract for Mirage 2000-9s.

While agreeing with your overall gist, I would like to add a couple of points.

The US cannot put in place a contract with the UAE where it singles out Pakistan to not be able to send its pilots to fly the aircraft. That is the sole decision of the government of the UAE, the sovereign, in this contract of ownership. The US can always put clauses like in order to avoid the ToT or pilfer, "no" foreign personnel can tend to the aircraft. In most cases these clauses are not for the life of the asset.

Secondly, contrary to continous cycling of rumors of Pakistanis being needed to fly, the facts are quite simple now. They start with the point that UAEAF has enough qualified pilots and instructors on each of the types they are flying. They do not need foreign pilots to fly their leading combat edge. Do we really think that in a country as large as the UAE, they cannot find enough pilots to maintain a 1:3 ratio of pilots on a fleet of about 120 aircraft (Blk 60 and dash 9)? The Emeratis take pride in flying and they are taking some of their best and putting them through very expensive and exhaustive training. In addition, they have invested a lot of time and hours on pilot training by having their folks repeatedly attend MNExs and with ATLC inaugurated at Hafra, they are doing a lot of sponsoring around the joint training. So they have a good structure in place to cater to their own needs around training and growing their force.

Lastly, Pakistan is not that important in the scheme of things for countries like the US and UAE to put a specific clause about prohibiting it. Its up to the UAE. If they need pilots they will ask the GoP (its all up to them, not up to the Amreekis and not up to us Pakistanis). Like the PIA of the past helping stand up Emirates, the UAEAF is a self-run, independent force now. They do not need PAF pilots to help them any longer and PAF is perfectly fine with that.

 

[HAIDER]

@blain2 ........look who's here...nice to see you sir..........

 

[blain2]

@blain2 ........look who's here...nice to see you sir..........

Thank you sir ji! Hope you are well.

 

[Raider 21]

And that means what exactly? What is the basis for such statements?



While agreeing with your overall gist, I would like to add a couple of points.

The US cannot put in place a contract with the UAE where it singles out Pakistan to not be able to send its pilots to fly the aircraft. That is the sole decision of the government of the UAE, the sovereign, in this contract of ownership. The US can always put clauses like in order to avoid the ToT or pilfer, "no" foreign personnel can tend to the aircraft. In most cases these clauses are not for the life of the asset.

Secondly, contrary to continous cycling of rumors of Pakistanis being needed to fly, the facts are quite simple now. They start with the point that UAEAF has enough qualified pilots and instructors on each of the types they are flying. They do not need foreign pilots to fly their leading combat edge. Do we really think that in a country as large as the UAE, they cannot find enough pilots to maintain a 1:3 ratio of pilots on a fleet of about 120 aircraft (Blk 60 and dash 9)? The Emeratis take pride in flying and they are taking some of their best and putting them through very expensive and exhaustive training. In addition, they have invested a lot of time and hours on pilot training by having their folks repeatedly attend MNExs and with ATLC inaugurated at Hafra, they are doing a lot of sponsoring around the joint training. So they have a good structure in place to cater to their own needs around training and growing their force.

Lastly, Pakistan is not that important in the scheme of things for countries like the US and UAE to put a specific clause about prohibiting it. Its up to the UAE. If they need pilots they will ask the GoP (its all up to them, not up to the Amreekis and not up to us Pakistanis). Like the PIA of the past helping stand up Emirates, the UAEAF is a self-run, independent force now. They do not need PAF pilots to help them any longer and PAF is perfectly fine with that.

Great points I understand. I am just stating from what I've seen from when I worked there AND my dad flew a good 10 years on the Hawk 102 at Minhad as an IP. And yes the contract is still in effect when it comes to them operating Block 60s, Pakistanis are not allowed. Even the Turks did not allow PAF personnel on the Block 50s back in the 90s, this might have changed by now but I'm not sure about it. But the Block 60s clause is still there and by that I mean it is not strictly to Pakistanis, but to all non-Emirati pilots. The few non-Emirati pilots that fly them are advisors as instructor pilots from Lockheed Martin.

And the same contract clause is also on the Mirage 2000-9s...otherwise the UAE were keen on getting Egyptian pilots at one point.

 

[Windjammer]

Equipped with an ACMI, a PAF Block-52 returns after a mission in Red Flag.

 

[SOHEIL]

Israel/Pakistan friendship... Step by step!

 

[Zibago]

Not an issue we go to the Asian ganes and olympics despite Israel participations i find it no different

Israel/Pakistan friendship... Step by step!

Inshallah

 

[RAMPAGE]

Israel/Pakistan friendship... Step by step!

Amen to that!

 

[SOHEIL]

Not an issue we go to the Asian ganes and olympics despite Israel participations i find it no different


Inshallah

Amen to that!

 

[Zibago]

They are not that different frim India on Kashmir if you ask me

 

[SOHEIL]

They are not that different frim India on Kashmir if you ask me

So what's the problem?

 

[Zibago]

So what's the problem?

The opposition to Israel which most Pakistanis have is odd because the same criteria is fulfilled by another country

 

[salarsikander]

Israel/Pakistan friendship... Step by step!

Just like Inda and Iran. Still better love story than twilight