Isolated Pakistan: Kuwait wins approval for setting up oil refinery in Balochistan

[A-Team]

Good you said that you called it as it is, investment in Pakistan, acknowledging that Balochistan is part of Pakistan, not Afghanistan as your government says.

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[sbh02]

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This thread is about investment in Baluchistan, and you said in your post that you welcome any investment in Pakistan. So I am glad you acknowledged that Baluchistan is part of Pakistan, not Afghanistan

 

[American Pakistani]

I don't know what is the definition for region. Sure, Pakistan is a regional power if Af-Pak is considered a region.

Because apart from that Pakistan has neither economic, military or diplomatic dominance over any other country that borders it.

India, Iran, China.
All of them are much much stronger than Pakistan economically, militarily, diplomatically. Tooting your own horn doesn't change reality.

Were you born with this defect or did my post caused this to you, kumar?

I don't know what is the definition for region. Sure, Pakistan is a regional power if Af-Pak is considered a region.

Because apart from that Pakistan has neither economic, military or diplomatic dominance over any other country that borders it.

India, Iran, China.
All of them are much much stronger than Pakistan economically, militarily, diplomatically. Tooting your own horn doesn't change reality.

Did you learn this in arnab goswami high school?

Why you think your artificial r republic never attacked pakistan even after claiming fake stories in 2002, 2008 and 2015? Pakistan is tiny powerless nation, as per your claims enemies of india are in pakistan go to my get em, after all india is Supa pawa.

 

[A-Team]

This thread is about investment in Baluchistan, and you said in your post that you welcome any investment in Pakistan. So I am glad you acknowledged that Baluchistan is part of Pakistan, not Afghanistan

 

[Kinetic]

Another promise like CPEC, Thar coal project, Gwadar revolution etc etc!

 

[Acknowledge]

I see your point but ultimately the comparison is flawed. Pakistan and India for the most part fall in the same category as far as economic and human development indicators are concerned. India overall may be slightly above but only just, and in several categories Pakistan actually performs better. The same cannot be said for Afghanistan.

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The above are just some examples. The trend is obvious. Pakistan and India usually revolve around each other, but Afghanistan is far below. The exception is open defecation, where India really needs to do a lot to improve.

Your last line leaves me wondering whether it is advisable to give a serious reply to you or just write troll lines which are sure to rile up your countrymen.

Here is my attempt - Suicide blasts are also a category of exemption where Pakistan needs to do a lot to improve.

On the more serious note - While economic indicators and social indicators have Pakistan close to India, that does not define policy. What does affect policy much more is public perception. Because it is a democracy.

The public of India has this image of Pakistan which is not much different of Afghanistan. In short, the public opinion has only two dualities of Pakistan. When you mention the word only two things come to mind - the Qawali/adab culture (which many Pakistanis have pointed out is incorrect as its more Lucknow oriented) and the Jihad culture in which we see every Pakistani as wearing a shalwar 1 feet short than required and a beard 1 feet longer than required wielding a Kalashnikov and trying to kill the nearest non-Muslim.

Whether or not this is accurate, this is the perception. Our politicians come from the public. Every single time.
Now there is a bureaucracy which is professional. And they do advise the Govt of the day. They can at best temper what the politicians want. But course of action or direction is decided 9 times out of 10 based on what the Public wants and consequently the Politicians want.

Many respected members of old have pointed this out before including one of India's accomplished former Foreign Secretary. The real reason that there is constantly deteriorating relations is now clear - nobody in India wants peace with Pakistan anymore (post Mumbai attacks, a psychological watershed). The public does not consider you as equal beings anymore. Any action of Govt which affords us taking a step back will be considered hostile action of GoI by the People of India. The Govt of India will always act accordingly.

I believe @Oscar would have more to add on this topic.

 

[Kambojaric]

Your last line leaves me wondering whether it is advisable to give a serious reply to you or just write troll lines which are sure to rile up your countrymen.

Here is my attempt - Suicide blasts are also a category of exemption where Pakistan needs to do a lot to improve.

On the more serious note - While economic indicators and social indicators have Pakistan close to India, that does not define policy. What does affect policy much more is public perception. Because it is a democracy.

The public of India has this image of Pakistan which is not much different of Afghanistan. In short, the public opinion has only two dualities of Pakistan. When you mention the word only two things come to mind - the Qawali/adab culture (which many Pakistanis have pointed out is incorrect as its more Lucknow oriented) and the Jihad culture in which we see every Pakistani as wearing a shalwar 1 feet short than required and a beard 1 feet longer than required wielding a Kalashnikov and trying to kill the nearest non-Muslim.

Whether or not this is accurate, this is the perception. Our politicians come from the public. Every single time.
Now there is a bureaucracy which is professional. And they do advise the Govt of the day. They can at best temper what the politicians want. But course of action or direction is decided 9 times out of 10 based on what the Public wants and consequently the Politicians want.

Many respected members of old have pointed this out before including one of India's accomplished former Foreign Secretary. The real reason that there is constantly deteriorating relations is now clear - nobody in India wants peace with Pakistan anymore (post Mumbai attacks, a psychological watershed). The public does not consider you as equal beings anymore. Any action of Govt which affords us taking a step back will be considered hostile action of GoI by the People of India. The Govt of India will always act accordingly.

I believe @Oscar would have more to add on this topic.

You are right, we need to do and are doing a lot more to improve security, http://tribune.com.pk/story/953303/over-last-9-months-70-decline-in-terrorist-attacks-in-pakistan (and from what I have read the current Indian government is prioritizing building toilets). I don't see why you are becoming so emotional with regards to one indicator, when there are others where India does better. The point is there are some exceptions but in a gist Pakistan and India fall in the same category as far as the lifestyle of the average citizen is concerned.

The same cannot be said for Afghanistan which has been left in tatters after decades of warfare. Its obviously unfair to compare it to Pakistan and India, but at the same time thats the point. Their desire to expand borders riled its neighbours who then obviously interfered in their domestic affairs. Simple Realpolitik. One could say India is trying to do the same with Pakistan, but ultimately it has failed, since the Pakistani governments writ expands through the vast majority of the country, the Pakistani armed forces are an organised group possessing nuclear weapons, and the economy is stable.
The only place where it has successed is in turning public opinion in India against Pakistan. As far as that is concerned, Pakistanis could not care less. In my original post that you quoted, I was talking about the reality of the situation, and how in a tangible manner the lifestyle of the average Afghan has been destroyed because of their states ideology of including KPK in Afghanistan.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

I don't know what is the definition for region. Sure, Pakistan is a regional power if Af-Pak is considered a region.

Because apart from that Pakistan has neither economic, military or diplomatic dominance over any other country that borders it.

India, Iran, China.
All of them are much much stronger than Pakistan economically, militarily, diplomatically. Tooting your own horn doesn't change reality.

Definitely, We don't want INDIAN REALITY as it resembles well with Bollywood.....Pakistan is super power of Muslim world and regional power of world...Bad luck for India...Too bad for India...A country which is 5 times bigger than Pakistan still feels helpless and frustrated when it comes to Pakistan...

What Indians think does not matter in international world because most of the world already knows fact...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Markandey-Katju-says/articleshow/17536647.cms

 

[Shakuni & Ravan]

Iran has an edge over us?What are you smoking these days?

I believe he is referring to Economy,exports(almost 3 times than pakistan),foreign reserves(almost 6 times than pakistan),Automobile production(more than 3 times of pakistan),steel production(more than 7 times of pakistan) and many other factors.Military i believe pakistan is ahead....

@Serpentine @SOHEIL @Madali @Chevil @JEskandari @raptor22 @Arminkh

 

[muhammadali233]

I believe he is referring to Economy,exports(almost 3 times than pakistan),foreign reserves(almost 6 times than pakistan),Automobile production(more than 3 times of pakistan),steel production(more than 7 times of pakistan) and many other factors.Military i believe pakistan is ahead....

@Serpentine @SOHEIL @Madali @Chevil @JEskandari @raptor22 @Arminkh

it would better if you compared the figs the qualitative figures are not much appreciated,any how,they are oil rich whereas we are a agricultural country and have been fighting a war against terrorism for the past 10 years,spent almost 200 billion$ and lost over 500$ due to 0%growth because of terrorism.

 

[raptor22]

it would better if you compared the figs the qualitative figures are not much appreciated,any how,they are oil rich whereas we are a agricultural country and have been fighting a war against terrorism for the past 10 years,spent almost 200 billion$ and lost over 500$ due to 0%growth because of terrorism.

Our central bank was sanctioned and our economy was cut off from international economy for more than 6~7 yeas + our oil trade plunged dramatically ... yes we are oil rich as Saudis are and much more than us but they don't produce automobile ....