ISMC Announces Setting Up Of India's First Semiconductor Fab In Karnataka At An Investment Of $3 Billion

[Wiler87]

Mysore is Water Self Sufficient and gets its water supply from Cauvery river.

It gets additional water supply from Kabini Dam in Kerala border.

Ground water development n Mysore is also the highest in Karnataka.

 

[INS_Vikrant]

I'm thinking if it will be economically feasible for coastal cities to install desalination plants powered by offshore windmills exclusively for industrial use. Surely, the set up will be capital intensive. But it can be economically feasible if the debt servicing cost can be offset by tax revenue from direct employment

It's not economically feasible as of now, if it was then we wouldn't have been having any water scarcity in India considering our huge coastline

 

[Wood]

It's not economically feasible as of now, if it was then we wouldn't have been having any water scarcity in India considering our huge coastline

It may not be feasible for regular consumption. But I'm hoping that it would be for industrial use as the payout rates can be higher.

Technology improvements in this area are interesting

“FWD is therefore intended to enable sustainable and cost-effective seawater desalination even in locations where conventional desalination could not be financed.”

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[HydraChess]

It may not be feasible for regular consumption. But I'm hoping that it would be for industrial use as the payout rates can be higher.

Semiconductor industry operates on wafer-thin (pun intended) margins. It makes up for that by the massive volume it sells semiconductors for. Expensive water may increase cost of manufacturing and in process destroy the company itself.

 

[Wood]

Semiconductor industry operates on wafer-thin (pun intended) margins. It makes up for that by the massive volume it sells semiconductors for. Expensive water may increase cost of manufacturing and in process destroy the company itself.

But the employment that the industry generates will increase direct and indirect tax revenue for the state. That could also contribute to this debt servicing.

 

[HydraChess]

But the employment that the industry generates will increase direct and indirect tax revenue for the state. That could also contribute to this debt servicing.

I doubt Semiconductor manufacturing industry will generate that many jobs. Wages in it are not very high too. Whats expensive is the machines and infra.

Semiconductor manufacturing is highly automated and high competition field.

 

[INS_Vikrant]

But the employment that the industry generates will increase direct and indirect tax revenue for the state.

No it won't, one of the main reasons why most countries are not looking to setup semiconductor fabrication plant is because it generates very little employment at the cost of billions of dollars in investment.

 

[HydraChess]

No it won't, one of the main reasons why most countries are not looking to setup semiconductor fabrication plant is because it generates very little employment at the cost of billions of dollars in investment.

Semiconductors are one more atma nirbhar project. Its there to reduce import bill. Not a bad goal but it is not going to be employment generation machine. Better start investing in RMG business... Or food processing business. That generates employment.

 

[pikkuboss]

Semiconductors are one more atma nirbhar project. Its there to reduce import bill. Not a bad goal but it is not going to be employment generation machine. Better start investing in RMG business... Or food processing business. That generates employment.

Semiconductor isn't for making money. Govt must subsidize it to bring other industries connected with Semiconductors. The whole electronics industry which generates huge jobs will get a boost If semiconductor industry is developed in India.

No it won't, one of the main reasons why most countries are not looking to setup semiconductor fabrication plant is because it generates very little employment at the cost of billions of dollars in investment.

Yes, but for a country the size of India. We must have self sufficiency in all sectors. We can't be dependent on other countries if we want to grow. One advantage is that India itself has a huge market to offer to the companies. My suggestion is 5 years later when we could have 28nm, 65nm, 45nm chips homegrown, put 50% import tax on them to force companies like TSMC to look India. Then only will can have more latest chips homegrown.

 

[HydraChess]

Semiconductor isn't for making money. Govt must subsidize it to bring other industries connected with Semiconductors. The whole electronics industry which generates huge jobs will get a boost If semiconductor industry is developed in India.

Actually manufacturing and fabrication of semiconductors is not much of an employment generator.

Design is to an extent but then it is very similar to software engineering in that regard as fabless companies licensing IP exist in abundance. There are already quite a few of these with Tata Elixie comes to mind.

Yes, but for a country the size of India. We must have self sufficiency in all sectors. We can't be dependent on other countries if we want to grow.

Honestly, thats not a must. What you need are sources of sustained export revenue to offset any import bill and keep balance of trade typically positive. Look at how Rawanda did exactly that.

 

[prashantazazel]

Indian government or companies can set up a 3 billion dollar factory or at some point a 10 billion dollar factory to produce microprocessors but the processors will be of foreign design to be produced in India under license as with most things in India. In this case the license will be open source ( RISC-V ) or commercial ( ARM, Intel x86 etc ). Such a thing can be done by many countries in the Western bloc now, no great shakes. When will the "talented" two million computer engineers of India design a microprocessor locally ?

When you're weak .... Tread carefully on the footsteps of others.
China is disliked for this reason.. They are trying to take over everything/all manufacturing.
Most Indian engineers are not the intuitive/innovative kind. That breed would likely come after we improve the standard of primary/secondary education in this country.
Plus, the research environment still doesn't exist.
For that, we need a government that starts special focus on research.
(Like this government focuses on roads/Infrastructure/business).

 

[Wiler87]

When you're weak .... Tread carefully on the footsteps of others.
China is disliked for this reason.. They are trying to take over everything/all manufacturing.
Most Indian engineers are not the intuitive/innovative kind. That breed would likely come after we improve the standard of primary/secondary education in this country.
Plus, the research environment still doesn't exist.
For that, we need a government that starts special focus on research.
(Like this government focuses on roads/Infrastructure/business).

"Most Indian engineers are not the intuitive/innovative kind." ?

How many have you met ?

 

[jamahir]

When you're weak .... Tread carefully on the footsteps of others.
China is disliked for this reason.. They are trying to take over everything/all manufacturing.

I didn't understand your point so tell me if I have deviated. To me it seems China for years did manufacturing for other countries' needs. And then China began developing things for its own military and space needs and now that it has been sanctioned from acquiring microprocessor fabrication machines from ASML ( a Dutch company ) it has been researching at newer processor fabrication techniques and paradigms like graphene and photonics. It also has been fabricating 3D stacked flash memory.

Most Indian engineers are not the intuitive/innovative kind. That breed would likely come after we improve the standard of primary/secondary education in this country.
Plus, the research environment still doesn't exist.
For that, we need a government that starts special focus on research.

True. A complete clean slate renovation of the education system where Indians are taught not to get into schools and colleges for their family's stupid hunger for jobs but for students to educate themselves so that their society becomes civil and liberated of historic socio-economic and political anti-human and irrational ideas and then to develop technology and ideas for humanity. From India to humanity. Made in India and not Make in India.

(Like this government focuses on roads/Infrastructure/business).

Well, this government either puts its own ownership stamp on infrastructure projects that were begun by others ( that highway in UP inaugurated last year ) or does unnecessary infrastructure projects ( new PM palace, bullet train, metro train, flyovers etc ). About business, most of the startups seem to be in Capitalist finance, quite pointless and continue the socio-economic oppression.

"Most Indian engineers are not the intuitive/innovative kind." ?

How many have you met ?

You show me how many. I am in the computing field.

 

[Wiler87]

You show me how many. I am in the computing field.

I should show you "how many" what ? and why ?

 

[jamahir]

I should show you "how many" what ? and why ?

What was your question to Prashant ?