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Islamophobia is becoming more acceptable

Isn't that what the extremists want?

They want the world to hate Muslims, so that normal Muslims will be more likely to fall to extremism, and to prove that they were right after all. That's their entire mission.

If the world falls for it... then the extremists have won.

Nope. They think that people will get scared and will get cowed down. On the contrary it only makes people more determined to fight back. In the beginning the fight back would be 'civilized debate'. But as attacks continue, it fuels rage and hostility. In the end ordinary people who never started off as hostile, become tacit approvers of brutal retaliation. I believe that if 9/11 had not loomed so large on our history, islamophbia would not have been this intense. That's the only thing Osama managed to achieve.
 
Russia, having suffered its share of terrorism, probably hates islamic extremists more than any Western country. You seriously think they'd attack Romania on behalf of the Muslim world if the "West" actually united and decided to engage in total war against Muslims?
People wrongly assume that this problem is restricted to West which is not true. The East suffers far more with Islamic extremism than the West but the media coverage is relatively higher in the West.
 
People wrongly assume that this problem is restricted to West which is not true. The East suffers far more with Islamic extremism than the West but the media coverage is relatively higher in the West.

Agreed. One of the other things the West likes to do is to question the authenticity of terrorism in the East. Anytime there's a terrorist attack in China or Russia, the word "terrorism" is placed in quotes along with sanctimonious attempts to legitimize and "understand" why terrorists are so "oppressed" that it would be OK the for them to take machetes and hack up innocent women in a train station.

I sympathize with what happened to the innocent people in France - but to an extent. If China and Russia were more "western" in mentality, they'd use this tragedy to advance their own agenda like western media outlets have done all too often. But China and Russia have offered condolences and will not use the tragedy to question the Western system or humanize the attackers as Western media outlets would have done, had the roles been reversed.
 
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This is what one of my friend had posted on fb today

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So I guess you're right about the islamophobia part. Though I wish ppl would stop sullying a religion and understand that terrorists have no religion.

I used to think like that only ....
But if you go purely by history, trends n modus of operandi of religion then you wont find anything unusual with islamphobic populace.....
 
Islamophobia is a blanket word to cover genuine questions against your religion.
 
I dont think they are related.
I dont know if they are related but unlike first reports the attack in Istanbul seems to be religious motivated.

Police have started to examine the cell phone found on the body of the niqab-clad female suicide bomber who targeted the building of the tourism police unit near Sultanahmet Square on Jan. 6. Two hand grenades were found unexploded in the pockets of the attacker, and police are reportedly focusing on the possibility that she was foreign based on the connections in her phone.
Meanwhile, a taxi driver who drove her to the spot without knowledge of the attack told the police that she was speaking Russian.

Based on information gathered so far, police believe the woman might be a Chechen.


Police is investigating towards possibility of the woman being Isis/Al Qaeda member.

Istanbul police put on alert after Sultanahmet suicide attack - LOCAL
 
"Islamophobia" is indeed rising, as a new study by the Bertelsmann-Stiftung about Islam in Germany shows.
In my opinion, with the attacks in France, it has no doubt reached record-highs & will only continue to rise.


Muslims in Germany have close ties to society and state
The attitudes and lifestyles of Muslims living in Germany very much reflect the social values prevalent in the Federal Republic, a fact little recognized by the general population. Most Germans are becoming increasingly averse to Islam. The result is exclusion and hardship for the country’s Muslims.

Gütersloh – January 8, 2015. Most of the four million Muslims living in Germany are part of the country’s social fabric. Their attitudes and viewpoints very much reflect the Federal Republic’s basic values, such as a belief in democracy and diversity. On the other hand, many of the country’s non-Muslims have unfavorable views of Islam and its adherents. Those are just some of the findings from a special study on Muslims in Germany carried out as part of the Bertelsmann Stiftung’s Religion Monitor project. The study shows that Muslims in Germany have close ties to the state and society. For example, 90 percent of highly religious Muslims are very supportive of democracy as a form of government. Nine out of ten of the study’s respondents, moreover, have contact with non-Muslims in their free time. One in two even has as at least as much contact with non-Muslims as with Muslims.

The majority of Muslims in Germany are devout and open-minded at the same time. The study shows that 63 percent of those adherents of Islam who consider themselves fairly or very religious say they re-examine their religious attitudes at regular intervals. Roughly 60 percent of those respondents say they support same-sex marriage, something that also applies to 40 percent of highly religious Muslims who say they rarely look at their religious principles. In Turkey, in contrast, the country of origin for most of Germany’s Muslims, only one-third of highly religious Muslims say they regularly re-examine their religious beliefs. Only 12 percent of highly religious Muslims in Turkey say they are in favor of same-sex marriage.

"Muslims now consider Germany home."

Yasemin El-Menouar, Islam expert at the Bertelsmann Stiftung
The fact that Muslims in Germany feel a connection to the country and its values is not, however, helping overcome the negative attitudes others have towards Islam – on the contrary. According to a representative survey recently carried out on behalf of the Bertelsmann Stiftung, 57 percent of Germany’s non-Muslims perceive Islam as a threat. Only 53 percent felt that way 2012. “Muslims now consider Germany home,” says Yasemin El-Menouar, Islam expert at the Bertelsmann Stiftung. “However, they find themselves confronted with a negative image that apparently prevails because of a minority of radical Islamists.”

Overall, 61 percent of Germans say that Islam is not compatible with life in the western world. In 2012, 52 percent expressed that view. In addition, 40 percent say they do not feel at home in their own country because of the country’s purported Islamization. One-quarter feel that Germany should no longer permit Muslims to immigrate.

These attitudes are not limited to the margins of German society. Neither political orientation, educational level nor social status has a significant effect on what Germans think of Islam. The more crucial factors are age and personal contact with Muslims.

Of those respondents over the age of 54, 61 percent feel threatened by Islam. Of those younger than 25, only 39 percent express the same view. Fear is also greatest in those areas where few Muslims live. In the state of North Rhine–Westphalia, for example, home to one-third of Germany’s Muslims, 46 percent of the respondents say they feel threatened. In Thuringia and Saxony, home to relatively few Muslims, 70 percent feel threatened. Even though the vast majority of Germans – 85 percent – say they are very tolerant of other religions, this seems not to be the case when it comes to Islam.

According to El-Menouar, despite the fact that Germany’s various religious communities are increasingly living together in harmony, the danger exists that a large part of the population is becoming more intolerant of Islam. “Muslims and non-Muslims in Germany have a lot in common,” she says. “That could serve as the basis for feeling ‘we’re in this together.’ For that to happen, however, more people will have to recognize and respect Muslims and their religion.”

About the study:
The Bertelsmann Stiftung’s Religion Monitor examines how religion influences social cohesion in religiously and culturally diverse societies. Its findings are based on representative surveys carried out at regular intervals in selected countries around the world. On behalf of the Bertelsmann Stiftung, five researchers analyzed data from the 2013 Religion Monitor to better understand the attitudes of Muslims living in Germany. The study’s authors are Prof. Dirk Halm and Dr. Martina Sauer of the Center for Turkish Studies and Integration Research (ZfTI), Prof. Kai Hafez and Sabrina Schmidt of the University of Erfurt and Prof. Richard Traunmüller of the University of Frankfurt. In order to compare the data from 2013 to attitudes today, research institute TNS Emnid conducted a follow-up survey on behalf of the Bertelsmann Stiftung at the end of November 2014 to assess how Germans currently feel about Islam.


Religion Monitor
 
Way to twist my statement. And killing people is something Americans excel in. Your country holds world record in mass murder/wrecking havoc and conservatives openly encourage it with pride. That's very worrying to non American peoples of world.
Stop generalizing.
 
LOL.Nice strategy there Patton.No.the West can crush the muslim world in a heartbeat if the gloves come off as per the wishes of Hazzy.But,keep in mind,Hazzy's insane.


Now you're just being butthurt.Yes,the Ummah Army would be crushed without blinking,even if ith had 500 million men---500 million easy targets.Sry,deal with it.

Your mighty Nato couldn't do sh1t against a rag tag bunch of Talibans in afghanistan. You can't crush sh1t. the world does not only consist of the west.

You reap what you sow
 
Agreed. One of the other things the West likes to do is to question the authenticity of terrorism in the East. Anytime there's a terrorist attack in China or Russia, the world "terrorism" is placed in quotes along with sanctimonious attempts to legitimize and "understand" why terrorists are so "oppressed" that it would be OK the for them to take machetes and hack up innocent women in a train station.

I sympathize with what happened to the innocent people in France - but to an extent. If China and Russia were more "western" in mentality, they'd use this tragedy to advance their own agenda like western media outlets have done all too often. But China and Russia have offered condolences and will not use the tragedy to question the Western system or humanize the attackers as Western media outlets would have done, had the roles been reversed.
exactly!
They have an issue of romanticising of terrorists from asian countries

That is why i do not sympathise the west on such attacks

One thing.
Intelligence networks in european countries are very good and they have an eye on muslim communities in their respective countries.

So my advice to muslims and non muslim asians in europe is, they can turn this into a strong anti immigrants mindset and who knows what can happen.

Sometimes i feel even fellows like Anjem Chowdry are people handled by British intelligence servises.
 
This is what one of my friend had posted on fb today

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So I guess you're right about the islamophobia part. Though I wish ppl would stop sullying a religion and understand that terrorists have no religion.

You can criticize Islam all you want. Most Muslims don't care. Issue arises when certain governments around the world try using Islamophobia as tool to advance their political interests. Like Israeli government, they used this tragedy to claim it is reason why we can't have Palestinian state....
 
"Phobia" denotes an unreasonable or overwhelming fear. That is something separate from hatred. In Pakistan a citizen's fear of being killed by radical Islamist or out-of-control law enforcement if he or she says the wrong thing strikes me as quite reasonable nowadays.

I fear that Muslims residing in the West will find it harder to just go on about their lives normally.
I suppose Muslims have to trust in the authorities and report Islamist activities regardless of their attempts at intimidation.
 
You can criticize Islam all you want. Most Muslims don't care. Issue arises when certain governments around the world try using Islamophobia as tool to advance their political interests. Like Israeli government, they used this tragedy to claim it is reason why we can't have Palestinian state....
the recent attack was on free press and not govt. They did not attack govt building or forces. They targetted cartoonists and publishers who have nothing to do with govt
most muslims dont care? yeah right..
 
the recent attack was on free press and not govt. They did not attack govt building or forces. They targetted cartoonists and publishers who have nothing to do with govt
most muslims dont care? yeah right..

I am not speaking of attack. Speaking of criticism on Islam. For whatever reason.
 

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