Islamophobia in China and Pakistan's vow of silence

[waz]

Right I'll write about this. Apart from the Chinese posters I can be pretty confident that every other poster in this thread, especially the Indian posters, with their usual "higher than the mountains" one liners have never met a Chinese Muslim in their lives. Hence rely on press reports.
During the early years from 2000, such reports were surfacing and I was quite concerned. In 2005 I went on Haj and decided to make a point of finding Chinese Muslims to ask them about all these things. During the night stay at Muzdalifah I found one guy running to the top of a high mountain and planting the Chinese flag there. Apparently this was a bit of fun that that the pilgrims indulged in i.e. who could plant their national flag first on the mountains in Muzdalifah. I went running to the foot of the mountain to get hold of this fellow and caught up with him on his way down. I gave him Salam and introduced myself and we embraced, and he gave me his name and told me he was Chinese. He was a Hui Muslim. I asked him about his camp at Mina, and he said that he will take me there tomorrow, as I told him I had some enquires to make. Tomorrow came and we went to his camp, which was very large and well equipped. It was just after the Dhur prayer and the pilgrims were about to have lunch and they sat me down. Looking around the composition of the group, the group was overwhelming Hui, with a few Ughiurs. I was told to address my questions to the camp leaders who spoke English, they were the elders and not anything to do with the government. I asked them about how their lives were in China and they laughed. They said they led fantastic lives and China was their motherland. I then questioned them about the fasting issue, Hijab, beards and so forth. This made me look daft considering the bulk of them had beards and they said there was no such restriction.
After this I raised the topic of Xinjiang region and their faces became more serious. The Hui said it was an ethnic struggle and nothing to do with faith, at this point the few Ughiurs spoke up (through the elders interpreting). Several of them stated they hated China and it was brutal and oppressive, the others shook their heads and said that if you keep your nose clean you have nothing to fear. The anti-Chinese Ughiurs spoke up again and said that the Hui are ethnically like the Han and so their answers didn't really represent their struggle, the elders stepped in and said that they were all brothers and the debate died down. I enjoyed a lovely meal with them, hugged them and prayed for their success.

Is the clampdown "Islamaphobic" no it's not. It is to do with ethnicity, yes it is. Are the lines blurred when it comes to faith and ethnicity, yes they are. Could we see some officials being zealots and coming to conclusions that beards = militants, that can happen. Are Chinese Muslims patriotic, very much so.

 

[vK_man]

It has in the past. No reason it can't now.

It's called diplomacy behind the scenes and helping allies out.



Being born to a predominantly Shiia family from a region just immediately bordering Afghanistan on three sides (with Torabora just across the valley) I find your post pretty hilarious

Muslim League/nationalists - Including Jinnah sahib himself was Shiia. And he was instrumental in breaking up what is today known as "india"

By the way every country you share a border with has a problem with yours so rather than analyze our relations - first look to your own


PS- you must be an idiot or just unable to read (I'm leaning on the former AND the latter). Pakistan is not involved in any operation alongside KSA in Yemen. Our defense ministers public discussion on the issue should have been enough to keep your beak quiet. But our armed forces (navy) did save many of your indian nationals who were kidnapped by Somali pirates while your navy just dilly dallied and twiddled it's thumbs

We don't regret the breakup either. Frankly looking at the level of sectarianism in Islam ,I am happy that Majority muslim west Punjab and its adjacents left us. IF you were with us, goodness gracious.

But now ,we have shias of Pakistan singing the indian national anthem on Pak independence day. What more could be a bigger insult than this to Pakistan lol.

 

[Kaniska]

Feel free to put all Indian muslims through gas chambers, we won't lift a finger.

That is punishment is reserved for terrorists not for our brothers!!...You are again wrong on your assumption..

 

[Kesang]

I like chinese policy to suppress independence movements, I.e., outnumber them in their own land where as stupid indian government dont allow non-local to buy land in kashmir, arunachal and many other states.

 

[volcano]

More personal attacks, great. More negative ratings.



I gave you a chance to edit it, and you turned around and insult me too. So what else should I do, you tell me.

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I gave you a chance to edit it, and you turned around and insult me too. So what else should I do, you tell me.

i know you two (u & admin)never miss a chance to masturbate each other. No need to do it again in this thread.

Now give me a -ve rating looser. My life is going to change by that.

More personal attacks, great. More negative ratings.



I gave you a chance to edit it, and you turned around and insult me too. So what else should I do, you tell me.

i know you two (u & admin)never miss a chance to masturbate each other. No need to do it again in this thread.

Now give me a -ve rating looser. My life is going to change by that.

 

[Beast]

Can you prove that he cannot read Chinese ?

In any case what does it have to do with anything.

The default response of denial & shooting the messenger has kicked in !

You are the one needs to prove he can read Chinese, not me. How many percent of Pakistanis can read Chinese, I think I do not need to tell you the answer. He is just another pakistanis misled by english fake news.

 

[SelfServeFive]

A random blog is not a serious news source.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

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i know you two (u & admin)never miss a chance to masturbate each other. No need to do it again in this thread.

Now give me a -ve rating looser. My life is going to change by that.



i know you two (u & admin)never miss a chance to masturbate each other. No need to do it again in this thread.

Now give me a -ve rating looser. My life is going to change by that.

You're using a sock puppet account.

Why don't you ask using your main account?

 

[Jf Thunder]

well its all the fault of the Wahhabis, who are spreading terror there, if they wouldn't be doing this, China wouldnt have do put bans on these types of things, but i have to agree with the Chinese bans, those green turbans are irritating, and that black veil is a tent, you could carry a rocket launcher in there, these two things destroy the culture of that place, well the Muslims there should just follow the rules, its not like the Chinese have banned some "Farz" of Islam

 

[KingMamba]

If Chinese are really so stupid as to be enforcing such baffoonery then they deserve whatever the fallout may be.

 

[volcano]

You're using a sock puppet account.

Why don't you ask using your main account?

i didn't have any other account, and i didn't need any dummy account to answer a random internet chinaman.

 

[illusion8]

Islamophobia in China and Pakistan’s vow of silence - Blogs - DAWN.COM

For more than a year the authorities in Xinjiang have been campaigning against men growing beards. —Reuters

Recently, in a country that is decidedly not France, a Muslim man has been sentenced to six years in prison for keeping a beard.

I daresay it’s time we have a polite talk about Islamophobia with our good neighbor in the north.

In the Muslim dominant region of Xinjiang, the 38-year-old man was handed the punishment by the Chinese court. In addition, his wife has been sentenced to two years of imprisonment for wearing an Islamic veil.

Ironically, this took place in Kashgar: the city romanticised in Iqbal’s poetry as one end of the unbreachable Muslim flank guarding the sacred ‘Haram’.

The couple was pronounced guilty of “picking quarrels and provoking trouble”, which is basically my job description as a blogger.

The charge is so absurdly vague and ambiguous; it may as well be Mandarin for “not liking one’s face”. Which is indeed what it sounds like, if one follows the trail of violent suppression of the Uighur populace through history, marked with arbitrary arrests and baffling restrictions.

In July last year, the government forbade Xinjiang officials to fast in the month of Ramazan, and initiated a robust campaign discouraging native women from wearing veil. In Urmaqi, bus passengers were banned from carrying a wide range of common household items, including yoghurt.

The restrictions, each a flagrant assault on the Uighur people’s cultural values, are justified by the most valuable excuse available to us in the post-9/11 universe: ‘security’.

These increasingly despotic measures are being adopted under the doctrine that counter-terrorism definitively trumps individual liberty, although I’m personally having a hard time figuring out how to weaponise yoghurt and facial hair.

I’d reach out and ask the exceptionally inventive Muslims of Uighur, had the Chinese government not dismantled the internet in that region almost to its entirety.

One may be forgiven for asking at this point, if there is a giant portrait of Mao Zedong hanging reverently somewhere in the upper offices of Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA).

These ‘whimsical’ freedom violations barely make up the prologue of a book on Chinese aggression against the Muslims of Xinjiang.

Between 1964 and 1996, China conducted more than 40 poorly-controlled,nuclear tests in Xinjiang. An expert who studied radiation effects from tests by the US, France, and former Soviet Union, calculated that as many as 194,000 people may have died from acute radiation poisoning, among a whopping 1.2 million people who received doses high enough to induce cancer and gross fetal abnormalities.

These are the “conservative estimates” of the damage caused in three decades.

If this form of aggression appears too indirect and impersonal, it should be viewed in context of decades of arbitrary arrests, executions and reports of heinous torture.

The government has been accused of promoting a Hans mass migration to Xinjiang to dilute the natives’ proportion from 90 per cent of the population in 1949, to almost 45 per cent today.

The regime now “manufactures consent” (weirdly, a Chomskian term usually reserved for Western imperialists) of its people for these extreme measures against the Muslims of Xinjiang, by citing ‘Islamic terrorism’ against the Hans in the province.

Ultimately, the Chinese government’s greatest feat is to have its President sit beamingly in the same room as the Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, without ‘Uighur’ creeping into conversation.

More impressive still, is the capacity of the Pakistani political leaders, touting Islamic unity and decrying the oppression of Muslims wherever they may be, to ignore the Islamophobia raging in its most favoured state.

But that’s realpolitik. I’m more curious about how this information would be processed by an average Pakistani social media user, incensed by the anti-Muslim bigotry across Europe.

At the end, I suppose I’m just hoping we’d all get to hear our Prime Minister’s next passionate speech on Sino-Pak friendship over the sound of the invisible elephant blaring in the room.

The writer is delusional just like the rest.

Polite talk about uighur to the Chinese?? - the chinese would politely tell them to take a hike and mind their own ____

 

[ravindra1455]

Pakistan isn't the guardian of all Muslims. Its a state that follows its interests. Keeping quiet on China's internal matters is exactly what Pakistan must do. We can communicate with the Chinese over this issue behind the scenes to THEIR greater stability. Once China realises the game India is playing with ETIM, it will see its Muslims as a deterrent.

why are u going to saudi arabia to fight houdhis

 

[TheTruth]

As usual, majority of Indians on this forum are too stupid to even discuss with.

I like chinese policy to suppress independence movements, I.e., outnumber them in their own land where as stupid indian government dont allow non-local to buy land in kashmir, arunachal and many other states.

So you admit to ethnic cleansing desires of Indians. Uyghur aren't even native to Xinjiang.

 

[Kesang]

As usual, majority of Indians on this forum are too stupid to even discuss with.



So you admit to ethnic cleansing desires of Indians. Uyghur aren't even native to Xinjiang.

Bro, Can you read?