Islamic World rejects ISIS's 'Caliphate'

[TruthSeeker]

How did his name change from Abu Bakr al Bagdadhi to Ibrahim?

He chose "Ibrahim" as his "royal" name. Like Popes, Caliphs may choose their ruling name .....

 

[Multani]

Most of them are only pissed off because ISIS got there first!

Most of these groups are hypocrites and criminals, the Muslim world needs some serious anti-biotics for this disease right now.

no. From their rhetoric, they are presenting actual Sharia rulings that legitimize a Khilafat

I believe that statement applies to every Islamist group, not only ISIS. Since when was Al-Qaeda known for tolerating beliefs other than their own??

Man, Muslims just love making a fool of themselves in front of the entire world. No wonder all of the civilized world, from America to China and Russia to Australia view Muslims as extremists and violent people. Can't blame them!!

these are not just a general Muslims. Please be careful when you lump all Muslims together.

There are 2 billion + Muslims on earth. These two extremist groups have the same ideology and are fringe groups not representative of Muslims.

 

[TruthSeeker]

he is an imposter. With your bias and hate of Islam and Muslims. i understand your sentiments.

I don't hate Islam, nor do I hate Muslims. Nonetheless, I think Caliph Ibrahim perfectly represents Islam in the world of 2014. He's gonna make you proud. Wait and see.

 

[Multani]

Muslim leaders reject Baghdadi's caliphate

Prominent Muslim leaders rebuke the Islamic State group's self-proclaimed caliphate, calling it 'void' and 'deviant'.

Shafik MandhaiLast updated: 07 Jul 2014 12:12

Muslim scholars and movements from across the Sunni Islamic spectrum have rejected the caliphate declared by the Islamic State group, with the fighters receiving scathing criticism from both mainstream religious leaders, and those associated with their former allies, al-Qaeda.

Assem Barqawi, also known as Abu Mohamed al-Maqdesi, who was released from a Jordanian prison in June after serving a sentence for recruiting volunteers to fight in Afghanistan, called fighters loyal to the Islamic State group's leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, "deviant".

Maqdesi, a supporter of the al-Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front, hit out at the Islamic State group for its brutal methods. "Is this caliphate a sanctuary for the vulnerable and a refuge for all Muslims, or a sword hanging over those Muslims who disagree with them," Maqdesi said.

In rejecting the self-proclaimed caliphate, Maqdesi, a Salafi, has found himself on the same side as Sufi leaders, such as the Syrian Muhammad al-Yacoubi.

In a post on his Twitter account, the Syrian exile similarly described the followers of the group, formerly known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), as "deviators".

"[The] Khilafah state (ISIL) declared is illegitimate," Yacoubi said. Adding that supporting it is "haram", or forbidden.

The view was echoed by Qatar-based Egyptian religious leader, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who said the declaration was "void" according to Islamic law.

"A group simply announcing a caliphate, is not enough to establish a caliphate," Qaradawi said in an open letter published on the website for the International Union of Muslim Scholars, which he heads.

There was similar admonishment from the pan-Islamic political party Hizb ut-Tahrir, which believes it is a religious obligation for Muslims to work towards establishing a caliphate.

"The issue of the Khilafah is too great for its image to be distorted or for its reality to be changed merely by an announcement here or an announcement there," the group said in a statement on its website.

Speaking during Friday prayers, Rachid Ghannouchi, the founder of the Ennahda Party, Tunisia's main Islamist party, added to the chorus of criticism, calling the declaration of a caliphate by followers of Baghdadi a "reckless" act, which gave a "deceptive message".

"Nations do not arise in this ridiculous way," he told his followers. Farid Senzai, a professor of Middle East politics at Santa Clara University, told Al Jazeera many Muslim groups felt the Islamic State group was hurting their cause.

"The Baghdadi caliphate is rejected by most mainstream Islamists because they feel it damages their cause to establish an Islamic system through peaceful means," Senzai said. He added the fighters were further discredited by their "harsh implementation" of Islamic law. According to Senzai, that rejection was shared among ordinary believers. "Many Muslims would support a caliphate as an idea but not support ISIL because of its violent methodology," he said. Despite its sizeable list of critics, the disapproval is unlikely to have a big effect on Baghdadi’s followers. "They do not care about traditional and mainstream scholars, they have their own interpretation which they continue to insist gives them legitimacy," Senzai said.

the ISIS caliph does not fulfill the most basic requirement for a caliph

A common Muslim on the street can decipher that

I don't hate Islam, nor do I hate Muslims. Nonetheless, I think Caliph Ibrahim perfectly represents Islam in the world of 2014. He's gonna make you proud. Wait and see.

No he does not. He is a criminal.

He does not fulfill the most basic requirement in Sharia to be a Caliph. Muslims know about their own religion.

Who are you to come and teach Muslims about their religion?

Wait and see when Jesus returns in his Second Coming. Muslims await the second coming of Christ.

 

[Desert Fox]

There are 2 billion + Muslims on earth. These two extremist groups have the same ideology and are fringe groups not representative of Muslims.

I think it takes more than just "fringe groups" to completely alter gov.t policies of many countries.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Wait and see when Jesus returns in his Second Coming. Muslims await the second coming of Christ.

Well, Caliph Ibrahim certainly ain't the second coming of Christ! We can most certainly agree on that. See, that's where Muslims go wrong. While they await the second coming of Christ, they should believe in his first coming, too. If they did, all the world's turmoil would end.

 

[EasyNow]

no. From their rhetoric, they are presenting actual Sharia rulings that legitimize a Khilafat

Well Nusra for one, have used almost the same methodology to gain territory in Syria - they should look in their own collar first.

HT for decades have pushed for a Khilafat, anyhow and anywhere. I have no doubt that if they had a piece of the pie here, the sharia rulings would have quietly been put aside.

My friend, i've experienced many such groups in my life (HT, Al Muhajroun, JI) one thing you should know about most of them is that their ends always justify their means.

 

[iajj]

I am not a Jew. I am a Christian (Episcopalian).

i spot a jew by its jewness: its looks, its smell, its words, and by its constant and duplicitous denial of the jew blood in its veins.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Nonetheless, I think Caliph Ibrahim perfectly represents Islam in the world of 2014.

He's gonna make you proud. Wait and see.

That seems highly unlikely.

 

[TruthSeeker]

That seems highly unlikely.

Not make YOU proud, Chinese Dragon. I mean the Muslims. See, Caliph Ibrahim is going to waste a whole lot of infidels. He's going to rid the world of more infidels per square meter than all the pretend Caliphs combined. Muslims will cheer (maybe).

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Not make YOU proud, Chinese Dragon. I mean the Muslims. See, Caliph Ibrahim is going to waste a whole lot of infidels. He's going to rid the world of more infidels per square meter than all the pretend Caliphs combined. Muslims will cheer (maybe).

Yeah I got that part. Still, I really don't think it is likely that he will make them proud.

 

[TruthSeeker]

i spot a jew by its jewness: its looks, its smell, its words, and by its constant and duplicitous denial of the jew blood in its veins.

You are a perfect follower of Caliph Ibrahim, then. You must be thrilled that he has arrived to smite the Jews.

 

[1000]

Not make YOU proud, Chinese Dragon. I mean the Muslims. See, Caliph Ibrahim is going to waste a whole lot of infidels. He's going to rid the world of more infidels per square meter than all the pretend Caliphs combined. Muslims will cheer (maybe).

Only makes people proud that seek the fastest exit from earth to enjoy the things they think they will get after life.

 

[Kompromat]

Well, Caliph Ibrahim certainly ain't the second coming of Christ! We can most certainly agree on that. See, that's where Muslims go wrong. While they await the second coming of Christ, they should believe in his first coming, too. If they did, all the world's turmoil would end.

He is not the first, nor the last, Muslims are used to with imposters. We know when we see them. Islamic guidelines are blunt and clear. Not even a PhD in Islamic Studies can find enough room to exploit.

 

[iajj]

You are a perfect follower of Caliph Ibrahim, then. You must be thrilled that he has arrived to smite the Jews.

oh no, i don't believe at all he has that kind of power. he is a saudi dog on a long leash, and a saudi is a jew lap dog. so the latter dog will eventually restrain the dog's dog.

i am only gleeful because of the chance of a weakened saudi monarchy that serves you jews like a dog.