Islamic State release video showing beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians

[Azizam]

Well that is not good but most countries that do that are firstly not democracies (so you should not expect too much from them like from for instance Denmark or the UK), do not host non-Muslim refugees and are secondly mostly very homogenous countries in terms of religious affiliation.

Well, I don't like generalizing. I agree that there should be zero of such sad incidents but we cannot prevent all potential lone wolf maniacs from doing such attacks. it is simply impossible.

Just like we cannot prevent every murder, crime, evil etc. from happening. No matter the ideology or motivation.

People who live in for instance Denmark but are against the society and moreover doing illegal crime should be deported no matter where they are from.

I just wrote that I believe that media is more inclined to focus on dead people which is normal.

What about all those millions of people and especially children that have seen the horrors of war? Those are often destroyed people. Very sad. They did not choose this. Many lost their family members too.

Do you have exams or what? Good luck then and better quit PDF and social media if so.

Unfortunately that set of countries also includes Egypt but I hope in the future the situation will improve.

True. No person deserves to be in such horrible conditions except for the people who are responsible for war.

I have exams and yeah I am considering quitting them altogether for a while.

 

[beast89]

to summarize... I would have believed you, only if your government has sent one bullet to Palestine, while it has sent terrorists, weapons and etc to Syria...

and Golan is still occupied because the west has puppets in the region, if Syria attacks Israel, Saudi "Arabia" would be the first country to defend Israel...

leave Syria for Syrians, all this bloodshed is because of the west's and their puppets encouraged it by sending arms and terrorists... there was no bloodshed in Syria before the west's and their puppet interference...

look you said it yourself, you are pro west, and the west all have done to Arabs is just invade them and kill Arabs, how do you call yourself an "Arab" while the west itself is against Palestine.. isn't Palestine an Arab nation?

do you see the double standard coming from you?

Real arabs Brown Moses Blog: The Arab Nationalist Guard: A Pro-Assad Militia interesting even though its FSA loving brown moses. Gives hope about future of arab nationalistic movements against al hasani and his kind. The west cannot be fully blamed, the puppet governments in the region that collaborated with Israel greatest ally and led to this standing.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Your beloved Iranian Mullah's have been apparently arming Palestine for 36 years. Have they succeeded with anything? The answer is ZERO. In fact more Israeli settlements have been built in the West Bank.
They just gave more reasons for Israel to kill more Palestinians. Is that what you want?

All that crying about KSA while nobody else is doing anything either. Nor going to war with Israel. Why don't Syria reclaim the Golan Heights and go to war with Israel then?

FSA are not Al-Qaeda.

KSA would not be sanctioned if the government supported Al-Assad. So that logics does not work here.

Did you read the link? That's exactly one of the conditions for the peace treaty.

at least Iran helped Palestinians, they wanted weapons and it gave them weapons, don't forget Iran is under heavy sanctions... plus it is hard to transport weapons from Iran to Palestine..
again Saudi "Arabia" can't even think about saying no to the west or Israel... and I told you if Syria goes to war, Saudi "Arabia" would be the first ones to defend Israel, it has done it back in 2006....

F$A = AQ = I$I$... simple google serach will show you how F$A and AQ are one...

no need to read that link... Israel refuses peace, why would it accept it if there is no threat... every Arab country that opposed it is destroyed or being destroyed, ...

Real arabs Brown Moses Blog: The Arab Nationalist Guard: A Pro-Assad Militia interesting even though its FSA loving brown moses. Gives hope about future of arab nationalistic movements against al hasani and his kind. The west cannot be fully blamed, the puppet governments in the region that collaborated with Israel greatest ally and led to this standing.

of course the west is not being fully blamed, it is those "Arabs" who allowed them to interfere and invade Arab nations...

 

[al-Hasani]

Real arabs Brown Moses Blog: The Arab Nationalist Guard: A Pro-Assad Militia interesting even though its FSA loving brown moses. Gives hope about future of arab nationalistic movements against al hasani and his kind. The west cannot be fully blamed, the puppet governments in the region that collaborated with Israel greatest ally and led to this standing.

I am an Arab nationalist myself. In the sense that I am a proponent of Arab brotherhood and cooperation.

I don't consider the West as an enemy but nor as a 100% trusted friend. Just a partner and ally. Just like I consider China a close partner and ally. China which is the biggest trade partner of KSA.

I don't believe that the solution is to topple leaders and bringing more chaos to the Arab world in the process unless those leaders are mass-murdering their people just like Gaddafi and Al-Assad just to stay in power for a longer time.

What's with all your "puppet talk"? Are you parrots or what?

What's with the hypocrisy? You live, just like Syrian Lion, in the evil West. Paying taxes to the "evil Western governments" etc. Doing nothing but talking on internet forums.

Why not move back to Syria and Pakistan and help create anti-Western regimes there? I don't understand it.

The GCC are allies with the West. So what? 90% of the Muslim world is that. Why should GCC hate the West when the West never did any harm?

 

[Antaréss]

Why don't Syria reclaim the Golan Heights and go to war with Israel then?

There were more than 10,000 victims. Were they all MB members?
And what about Douma's ongoing extermination? that's obviously not FSA doing it.

 

[Syrian Lion]

I am an Arab nationalist myself. In the sense that I am a proponent of Arab brotherhood and cooperation.

I don't consider the West as an enemy but nor a 100% trusted friend. Just a partner and ally. Just like I consider China a close partner and ally. China which is the biggest trade partner of KSA.

I don't believe that the solution is to topple leaders and bringing more chaos to the Arab world unless those leaders are mass-murdering people like Ghaddafi and Al-Assad just to stay in power for longer.

What's with all your "puppet talk"? Are you parrots or what?

What's with the hypocrisy? You live, just like Syrian Lion, in the evil West. Paying taxes to the "evil Western governments" etc. Doing nothing but talking on internet forums.

Why not move back to Syria and Pakistan and help create anti-Western regimes there? I don't understand it.

The GCC are allies with the West. So what? 90% of the Muslim world is that. Why should GCC hate the West when the West never did any harm?

you keep repeating the same thing over and over.. there are many Americans that oppose their government, not like you that just yes to no matter what...

and Alasad is not murdering Syrians, do you think he would last a minute if he was... Syrians wouldn't let him stay for one minute in office... it is the F$A western backed terrorists that is causing all this death and chaos...

There were more than 10,000 victims. Were they all MB members?

to this day the number is unknown, however, like always western media are anti-Syria and will make numbers such 80k killed... Hama population was really low back in 80's... and if you have problem with Hafez, he is dead now... God will deal with him.. and

 

[al-Hasani]

you keep repeating the same thing over and over.. there are many Americans that oppose their government, not like you that just yes to no matter what...

and Alasad is not murdering Syrians, do you think he would last a minute if he was... Syrians wouldn't let him stay for one minute in office... it is the F$A western backed terrorists that is causing all this death and chaos...

Well, let's just agree to disagree and hope for peace in the region regardless of our political differences. I think that they can be solved.

The current situation cannot go on in the long run. The Arab world deserves much better.

My biggest hope is that Arabs will learn to accept different opinions better.

For instance you are against me just because I have different political views, visions for the region and disagree with you on Syria. While I don't have a problem with you I just dislike the Al-Assad regime and their crimes.

I have to go and we went off-topic but since we can all agree that this action is horrible and wrong we started talking about other issues.

@Azizam

Well good luck then. I will watch the NBA All-Star game now. East vs West.

 

[SenLin]

Just read that ISIS conquered with Sirte, Gadaffi's hometown, it's third town in Libya.
More & more i start think that it would have been maybe better if he stayed in power.
And the same goes to Syria. I doubt that after Assad comes something better.
Wonder why the Arab Spring only worked in Tunisia. The Islamists there seem to be more moderate than most others.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Well, let's just agree to disagree and hope for peace in the region regardless of our political differences. I think that they can be solved.

The current situation cannot go on in the long run. The Arab world deserves much better.

My biggest hope is that Arabs will learn to accept different opinions better.

For instance you are against me just because I have different political views, visions for the region and disagree with you on Syria. While I don't have a problem with you I just dislike the Al-Assad regime and their crimes.

I have to go and we went off-topic but since we can all agree that this action is horrible and wrong we started talking about other issues.

@Azizam

Well good luck then. I will watch the NBA All-Star game now. East vs West.

I'm not against you, I'm against your double standard... and you following the west blindly... also against your support to the F$A terrorists that are killing my people and destroying my country, Syria...

 

[DrawingDead]

When they kill Muslims (which happen to be +95% of victims), it's 'internal violence' for you, when they kill Christians, it's a war between Islam and 'civilized' world. Media has turned majority of westerners in to sheeps.

2 days ago, a terrorist in U.S killed 3 Muslims in cold blood for their faith, first there was a complete blackout in western media and when they finally remembered those 3 have been murdered, they said it was a fight over a parking place! Fucking disgusting.

Today 2 persons killed in Denmark and minutes later, there was breaking news all over media: "TERROR IN Denmark". "A man speaking Arabic attacked innocent Jews. No we are not talking about Muslim terrorists at all, don't judge us".

We are basically leaving in a modern jungle in which 'civilized' countries happen to have cleaner bodies compared to third world animals. In this jungle, those clean animals represent the pigs in Animal Farm by Gearge Orwell.

Seriously? Blackout? It was all over the news by the next morning. We are sorry we couldn't get it on the news fast enough for you. Unfortunately, our new organizations are not good and upstanding organizations like your Press TV. Oh by the way, there is an average of roughly 40 murders in the US everyday. The only reason you're even interested in this one is that they were Muslims. If they were 3 white kids, it wouldn't merit a thread on PDF. The fight was over a parking spot. It was an ongoing dispute. Other neighbors have said that this guy was always coming to their homes to complain about something. Now that he shot these 3 kids, it is suddenly a hate crime. Couple of nights ago, a woman was shot in the southwest in a road rage incident. Now that you've shown us the light, we'll have to reclassify that to a hate crime too.

If I was a moderator on this forum, I would ban everyone who makes claims but cannot support their claims with strong evidences.

Then there wouldn't be anyone left on PDF

 

[Antaréss]

to this day the number is unknown, however, like always western media are anti-Syria and will make numbers such 80k killed... Hama population was really low back in 80's... and if you have problem with Hafez, he is dead now... God will deal with him.. and

But I don't think they were less than ten thousands.

By the way, I used the western source because it tells that victims are 10,000 - 40,000
If we use our Arab sources, it says they are 17,000 - 40,000.
That's even more victims.

 

[Zarvan]

Islamic State jihadists have released a video showing the murder of 21 Egyptians, who they captured in Libya around Christmas.

The Egyptians, dressed in orange jump suits, were beheaded after being forced down on the ground. The video appeared on the Twitter feed of a website that supports Islamic State. A caption on the five-minute video read: "The people of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian church."

Before the killings, one of the militants stood with a knife in his hand and said: "Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for."

The 21 men, all migrant workers hailing from impoverished areas of central Egypt, were kidnapped between late December and early January. Fourteen came for the same village, Al-Our.

An eyewitness to the abductions of several of the men on January 4 told The Telegraph that black-clad militants had entered their living quarters in the middle of the night, carrying a list of named Christians. Relatives in adjoining rooms were left cowering behind their doors, waiting for the jihadists to break them down. But the militants left suddenly, apparently after kidnapping an allotted quota of victims.

nd it was also announced on Saturday that a second group of 21 Egyptians had been kidnapped in Libya - this time from Misrata. It wasn't clear why Isil had seized two groups of 21 people.

Isil claims to have established affiliate groups in three different areas of Libya, a common destination for Egyptian Christians.

The story of Isil's Egyptian hostages is entwined with those of the region's soured revolutions.

They left Egypt, their families say, for a better life. Four years after the overthrow of long-time ruler Hosni Mubarak, the country's battle-scarred economy offered them little work, and Christian churches and shops in their governorate, Minya, had faced a series of high-profile sectarian attacks.

The journey out of poverty to Libya is one that many have made over the years. Every year, thousands of Egyptians are lured by the prospect of salaries up to seven times greater than the paltry sums they can command at home.

The government of President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi has faced heavy criticism from the families of the hostages, who say they have seen no concrete attempts to resolve the situation.

Islamic State release video showing beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians - Telegraph

Algeria and Egypt and Morroco need to send in troops and take out ISIL in Libya

 

[beast89]

I am an Arab nationalist myself. In the sense that I am a proponent of Arab brotherhood and cooperation.

I don't consider the West as an enemy but nor as a 100% trusted friend. Just a partner and ally. Just like I consider China a close partner and ally. China which is the biggest trade partner of KSA.

I don't believe that the solution is to topple leaders and bringing more chaos to the Arab world in the process unless those leaders are mass-murdering their people just like Gaddafi and Al-Assad just to stay in power for a longer time.

What's with all your "puppet talk"? Are you parrots or what?

What's with the hypocrisy? You live, just like Syrian Lion, in the evil West. Paying taxes to the "evil Western governments" etc. Doing nothing but talking on internet forums.

Why not move back to Syria and Pakistan and help create anti-Western regimes there? I don't understand it.

The GCC are allies with the West. So what? 90% of the Muslim world is that. Why should GCC hate the West when the West never did any harm?

there's a difference between complete subservience and cooperation. You're a monarchist.

 

[DrawingDead]

This is what happens when the dumb west govt interferes in the Middle East anyone missing Saddam and Gaddafi?

they divided India and caused partition where millions died and fucked up the ME what is next? thank god nobody lives in the artic or these white devils would also get their hands dirty there

The fact that you cannot get along with your own countrymen is not an indictment of our policies but rather a flaw in your collective characters. "They" didn't divide India. Your own people didn't want to live with you. You keep blaming us but what is it about being from the ME or the Indian subcontinent that makes you want to kill your own people at the drop of the hat?

 

[al-Hasani]

I'm not against you, I'm against your double standard... and you following the west blindly... also against your support to the F$A terrorists that are killing my people and destroying my country, Syria...

Which double standard? I don't follow the West blindly. Just because I don't consider the West (as in most governments and people) as mortal enemies of Arabs. We disagree on Syria. No need to discuss it anymore. I am against both the Al-Assad regime and Daesh. Both need to go if Syria has to move forward.

there's a difference between complete subservience and cooperation. You're a monarchist.

Not really.

I don't really follow any political ideology. I like elements of conservatism, liberalism, socialism, Islamism, Arab nationalism etc. My views are not static either.

I am not a monarchist just because I respect certain Arab monarchs and families.

I see that you keep trolling against the Jordanian royal family. Not sure what your problem with them is? They are some of the most sensible leaders in the Muslim world and a humble family.

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Ok, to sum it up in a few sentences very quickly (I don't have the time or will to get into details nor am I a politician);

I believe in Arab cooperation and brotherhood which most Arabs also believe in by nature. It's especially needed nowadays due to the past 3-4 years of chaos/unrest.

I value Arab traditionalism. Meaning a strong family structure, a collective consciousness of shared values, patriotism, loyalty, generosity, the well-being of the richest and most influential man/woman but also the well-being of the poorest and least influential man/woman in the society.

I value our Islamic values. At the same time respecting our ancient minorities in the Arab world. Christian Arabs for instance should not be discriminated against or targeted.

At the same time I am flexible in the sense that I have no problems with people who disagree with my views.

I like the welfare states in the GCC and Scandinavia and would like to see the wealth be distributed more equally among people in the average Arab country.

In terms of foreign policy then I believe in cooperation with countries of shared values (mostly Arab and Muslim countries) but in general economic cooperation should occur with every friendly country. I am pragmatic here.

So I am probably an Arab Muslim conservative-liberal if there is such a thing……My views are too many and too complex often though.

Lastly regarding the West. I don't consider Western people as enemies at all nor most Western governments. As I wrote then certain Western politicians and political parties are not to be trusted and I doubt that they want the best for the average Arab and Muslim but there is a long way from that and then to be anti-Western (whatever the hell that means).

I don't blindly follow any leader, political party (I don't follow a political party at all in fact) nor are my views static.

I don't support the Israeli regime either obviously nor the enemies of Arabs and Muslims.

I am not against democracy nor Islamic rule. I can live in both systems. I don't see a problem with being a Muslim and living in a democratic state. Although I don't agree with many things in the West but the same can be said about things in the East.

 

[DrawingDead]

Need a strong man to rule people who are uneducated and behave like animals, was there mass killings of Christians under Saddam's era? I can not recall

No, he just used to gas the Kurds. They have some pretty interesting stories. But I'm sure they're blowing it out of proportion. Other than that, terrific guy, great sense of humor, always the life of the party.