Islamic State release video showing beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians

[Syrian Lion]

Now you are back to writing insults and nonsense.

No, the international society has an obligation when a people are mass-murdered. The international society turned their backs to Syria for instance which was an enormous mistake.

There is no such thing as "Western puppet". It's called allies. The West have little to say when it comes to laws, way of life, culture or anything in the GCC. You don't know what you are talking about.

By that logic Syria is a Russian puppet state. Now half Iranian puppet state.

FSA are not terrorists. You think so but not the majority of the world's governments.

Syria allowed Israel to occupy the Golan Heights for 40 years. Anti-Israel my ***.

Nobody bothered Syria before your beloved Al-Assad started killing Syrians. No matter what then they are our fellow Arab brethren and mostly Muslim brethren whom we have very close ties with. I cannot simply ignore it and sit back.

It would be the same if Al-Saud started acting like Al-Assad the other way around.

Moves toward greater social and political rights in the GCC will come gradually. Civil wars are not going to solve that. Syrians had not choice as Al-Assad was murdering them.

Yes, so the world should not have invaded/liberated Germany from the Nazis.

Your logic means that most Germans did want Hitler to continue because they never succeeded in removing him until the world defeated the Nazis.

to summarize... I would have believed you, only if your government has sent one bullet to Palestine, while it has sent terrorists, weapons and etc to Syria...

and Golan is still occupied because the west has puppets in the region, if Syria attacks Israel, Saudi "Arabia" would be the first country to defend Israel...

leave Syria for Syrians, all this bloodshed is because of the west's and their puppets encouraged it by sending arms and terrorists... there was no bloodshed in Syria before the west's and their puppet interference...

look you said it yourself, you are pro west, and the west all have done to Arabs is just invade them and kill Arabs, how do you call yourself an "Arab" while the west itself is against Palestine.. isn't Palestine an Arab nation?

do you see the double standard coming from you?

 

[DrawingDead]

Don't be so ignorant. These people don't represent us and they are killing Muslims like mosquitos. I don't know why you make such an argument.

You should thank Mrs Clinton for destabilizing Libya, an otherwise stable country, just like Iraq. All of this bloodshed is on your hands.

All we did was remove a couple of dictators. The fact that the people in these countries couldn't get together and come up with a reasonable compromise for governance is not a indictment of our actions, but rather an indictment of their collective character. For the record, I was dead set against supporting all the "Arab spring" movements. It wasn't because I was feeling warm and fuzzy toward Gaddafi and co but rather because I was certain that as soon as these tyrants were removed from power, the real character of the people of this region would show up and world's not going to like what they see. Today we see who they are and what they are about.

The mistake we keep making is that we think just because we free someone, they'll go on to live good, productive lives. We've been proven wrong over and over again. We need to realize that these people are different from us and there is no way they are going to be able to replicate the free societies in our countries. We need to stay the heck away from these region and more importantly, stay the heck away from these people.

 

[al-Hasani]

to summarize... I would have believed you, only if your government has sent one bullet to Palestine, while it has sent terrorists, weapons and etc to Syria...

and Golan is still occupied because the west has puppets in the region, if Syria attacks Israel, Saudi "Arabia" would be the first country to defend Israel...

leave Syria for Syrians, all this bloodshed is because of the west's and their puppets encouraged it by sending arms and terrorists... there was no bloodshed in Syria before the west's and their puppet interference...

look you said it yourself, you are pro west, and the west all have done to Arabs is just invade them and kill Arabs, how do you call yourself an "Arab" while the west itself is against Palestine.. isn't Palestine an Arab nation?

do you see the double standard coming from you?

The leaders in KSA support Palestine by doing humanitarian donations. KSA has donated billions of dollars to Palestine throughout history. Also money for infrastructural projects, support for education, healthcare etc. Many schools, hospitals etc. in Palestine have been founded by KSA.

KSA has so far tho this date created the best peace solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Read about it here;

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

West is not an enemy of Arabs. Only certain figures in certain governments and political groups are that. The average Western person is not an enemy.

While the West is far from perfect, also in terms of their relations with GCC, they are better partners than Russia which are the only alternative.

Personally I would like to see bigger Arab-Chinese cooperation which I have talked about for many years.

KSA and China have very good ties and China is the biggest trade partner of KSA.

 

[Azizam]

I am not saying that you did. What I am saying though is that I see such behavior often. It's a damaging way of reasoning and is counterproductive. What we (people that live in Europe but also the world as a whole) must aim for is peaceful coexistence.
You don't have to agree with Islam likewise Muslims don't have to agree with Jehovah Witnesses, Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus or whatever but they must respect each other's beliefs in the sense that they have to live in peace despite their differences. Just like people should respect each other regardless of being socialists or liberals. White, Black, Brown, Red or whatever. Sri Lankan or Estonian. Can you feel me?

You think that killings and evil would just stop if we presume those few hundred or thousands radicals were not there? Then other ideologies would kill just like they already do. 150.000 people have lost their life's in the war on drugs in Mexico. That's as many as in Iraq for the past 4-5 years which is otherwise a country in the middle of a war.

Evil will always exists. Ideology does not matter here.

There is no justification. So let's not go there. A lot can be done to combat those few bad apples.

Deportations if they are migrants, tougher prison sentences, more resources used on surveillance, more grass root work in ghettos, a political initiative to combat the real reasons that make many people join Daesh etc.

Well, there are 10 million Copts in Egypt or so. That alone should tell you that they are well and safe. Overall they face few problems let alone fearing for their life's. Incidents like this one are unprecedented. The Egyptian users here will conform this if you ask them. Or Egyptians in general.

I was just saying that death is worse than slavery which we must assume does not lead to death. In any case it's bad just like being barrel bombed is or tortured to death. Daesh are not the only insane party in the conflict in Iraq or Syria. Far from it.

Well, I have battled a flu for the past 2-3 days so I got plenty time on my hands. There is the NBA all-star game later tonight that I try to keep myself awaken for and PDF/Facebook serves like a good tool for that, lol.

Bro, it's important remember that co-existence should be a two-way street and I have previously pointed some of the laws that discriminate against non-Muslims in about half of Muslim-majority countries that in some way treat them as second class citizens. I hope you acknowledge that solutions are needed for such problems. Beside that, generalisation is a human characteristic so I think if even if is 1 out of million, we should still do our best to avoid such incidents happening. I have mentioned the same point regarding South Asians not doing enough to assimilate into the British society in another thread although such individuals could be a minority within us. Therefore if anyone tends to generalise me, I would rather blame those who are responsible for bad reputation than the person who generalised me.

Although you are right, the difference is that drug traffickers can be easily identifiable and it's not an ideology which could encompass the entire world with just the internet. The question is, how would you identify an Islamic radical? What should be the line between a normal Muslim and a radical? If it is inciting hatred then even Hazzy could be prosecuted for what he previously posted but would it be fair as it could have been just an emotional outburst? The authorities also have to carry out the process with even the risk of being branded as racists. One mismanagement and they would be labelled as racist which I think constitutes the biggest problem in our society.

Actually not true. Many Yazidis have committed suicide in every possible way including choking each other to death and attempted suicide to escape from their suffering. If slavery is better than death then they would have not done so. As I said, it could be far worse than a quick death. I've read some accounts by them and they are extremely heartbreaking and shocking at the same time and not like something I have ever seen.

I am not so lucky. These days there's not even enough time to sleep.

 

[libertad]

Libya was the richest country in Africa under Gaddafi until the western 'liberators' bombed for democracy killing thousands of civilians in the process. Now that they got Gaddafi out, they don't care about Libya. Same story will repeat itself in Syria if Syrians allow it.

 

[Syrian Lion]

The leaders in KSA support Palestine by doing humanitarian donations. KSA has donated billions of dollars to Palestine throughout history. Also money for infrastructural projects, support for education, healthcare etc. Many schools, hospitals etc. in Palestine have been founded by KSA.

KSA has so far tho this date created the best peace solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Read about it here;

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

West is not an enemy of Arabs. Only certain figures in certain governments and political groups are that. The average Western person is not an enemy.

While the West is far from perfect, also in terms of their relations with GCC, they are better partners than Russia which are the only alternative.

Personally I would like to see bigger Arab-Chiense cooperation which I have talked about for many years.

KSA and China have very good ties and China is the biggest trade partner of KSA.

like I said before, when I say the west, I'm talking about the government, not the people..
look KSA spends billions on weapons to send to its terrorists in Syria, but again not a single bullet to Palestine, Palestine needs freedom also, no? heck even USA sends aid to Palestine... Saudi "Arabia" aid is nothing when it comes to its support to the terrorists in Syria, my point is why only send weapons to Syria and not Palestine? that is because the west wants that...

the west is the enemy of Arabs, and you call yourself an Arab?? yes right now the west is arming and training F$A terrorists so they can free Palestine... the west will never be friendly toward any nation that doesn't go with their will and follow their orders... wake up man... and last time I checked, Russia didn't invade Iraq, and bombed Libya and etc...

Libya was the richest country in Africa under Gaddafi until the western 'liberators' bombed for democracy killing thousands of civilians in the process. Now that they got Gaddafi out, they don't care about Libya. Same story will repeat itself in Syria if Syrians allow it.

Syrian will never allow it, that's why we are fighting to this day, to make sure Syria is an independent country and not a western puppet...

 

[al-Hasani]

like I said before, when I say the west, I'm talking about the government, not the people..
look KSA spends billions on weapons to send to its terrorists in Syria, but again not a single bullet to Palestine, Palestine needs freedom also, no? heck even USA sends aid to Palestine... Saudi "Arabia" aid is nothing when it comes to its support to the terrorists in Syria, my point is why only send weapons to Syria and not Palestine? that is because the west wants that...

the west is the enemy of Arabs, and you call yourself an Arab?? yes right now the west is arming and training F$A terrorists so they can free Palestine... the west will never be friendly toward any nation that doesn't go with their will and follow their orders... wake up man... and last time I checked, Russia didn't invade Iraq, and bombed Libya and etc...


Syrian will never allow it, that's why we are fighting to this day, to make sure Syria is an independent country and not a western puppet...

Can you provide a independent and objective source that says that KSA has spent "billions of dollars" on terrorists. PressTV, Russian Today and Global Research are not objective or independent sources. They are all very anti-GCC and anything that is not anti-West.

Why are FSA terrorists and why is the Al-Assad regime the "good guys"? Do you really like to see those barrel bombings killing hundreds each single day?

Actually I believe (although I am not this old to remember) that KSA supported various Palestinian military fractions until not long ago but this policy proved futile.

More weapons will mean more Palestinians killed. You want to give Israel a nose bleed while in return they cut the hand off that gave them a light nose bleed.

In fact I believe in Arab-Jewish reconciliation as well.

I got no problem with Russian people. Just don't like their regime much. They are against GCC a lot.

China on the other hand is a great country, civilization and people which Arabs had very ancient ties with. Unlike Russians. I support our Chinese friends.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Can you provide a independent and objective source that says that KSA has spent "billions of dollars" on terrorists. PressTV, Russian Today and Global Research are not objective or independent sources. They are all very anti-GCC and anything that is not anti-West.

Why are FSA terrorists?

Actually I believe (although I am not this old to remember) that KSA supported various Palestinian military fractions until not long ago but this policy proved futile.

More weapons will mean more Palestinians killed. You want to give Israel a nose bleed while in return they cut the hand off that gave them a light nose bleed.

In fact I believe in Arab-Jewish reconciliation as well.

I got no problem with Russian people. Just don't like their regime much. They are against GCC a lot.

China on the other hand is a great country, civilization and people which Arabs had very ancient ties with. Unlike Russians.

don't bring the people to this, I keep saying when I say the west, I mean the government not the people...
oh so arm Syrians so more bloodshed, your excuse not to arm Palestinians, that they will get killed, so arming Syrians will not get them killed??... all this bloodshed is because of the west's and their puppets arming terrorists in Syria... F$A are terrorists, they work with AQ and also with I$I$, why do you call AQ terrorists but not F$A? they are the same thing, just different names.. F$A caused the death of Syrians and destruction of Syria, all you have to do is look at Syria before and now...
for example Russia supports peace, it even met with the so called "Syrian" opposition when Moza Alkahtib what their "leader" aka western puppet leader.... and the west to this refuses peace, and it only supports bloodshed...

anyways we keep going in circles, I'm done with you, you do what the west does, as long as you are following them, you will never understand the truth...

oh forgot the links
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/86e3f28e-be3a-11e2-bb35-00144feab7de.html
Mystery Sponsor Of Weapons And Money To Syrian Mercenary "Rebels" Revealed | Zero Hedge
Meet the Frankenstein monster of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Or as we know them, Isis - Comment - Voices - The Independent
and simple google search will do...

 

[al-Hasani]

Bro, it's important remember that co-existence should be a two-way street and I have previously pointed some of the laws that discriminate against non-Muslims in about half of Muslim-majority countries that in some way treat them as second class citizens. I hope you acknowledge that solutions are needed for such problems. Beside that, generalisation is a human characteristic so I think if even if is 1 out of million, we should still do our best to avoid such incidents happening. I have mentioned the same point regarding South Asians not doing enough to assimilate into the British society in another thread although such individuals could be a minority within us. Therefore if anyone tends to generalise me, I would rather blame those who are responsible for bad reputation than the person who generalised me.

Although you are right, the difference is that drug traffickers can be easily identifiable and it's not an ideology which could encompass the entire world with just the internet. The question is, how would you identify an Islamic radical? What should be the line between a normal Muslim and a radical? If it is inciting hatred then even Hazzy could be prosecuted for what he previously posted but would it be fair as it could have been just an emotional outburst? The authorities also have to carry out the process with even the risk of being branded as racists. One mismanagement and they would be labelled as racist which I think constitutes the biggest problem in our society.

Actually not true. Many Yazidis have committed suicide in every possible way including choking each other to death and attempted suicide to escape from their suffering. If slavery is better than death then they would have not done so. As I said, it could be far worse than a quick death. I've read some accounts by them and they are extremely heartbreaking and shocking at the same time and not like something I have ever seen.

I am not so lucky. These days there's not even enough time to sleep.

Well that is not good but most countries that do that are firstly not democracies (so you should not expect too much from them like from for instance Denmark or the UK), do not host non-Muslim refugees and are secondly mostly very homogenous countries in terms of religious affiliation.

Well, I don't like generalizing. I agree that there should be zero of such sad incidents but we cannot prevent all potential lone wolf maniacs from doing such attacks. it is simply impossible.

Just like we cannot prevent every murder, crime, evil etc. from happening. No matter the ideology or motivation.

People who live in for instance Denmark but are against the society and moreover doing illegal crime should be deported no matter where they are from.

I just wrote that I believe that media is more inclined to focus on dead people which is normal.

What about all those millions of people and especially children that have seen the horrors of war? Those are often destroyed people. Very sad. They did not choose this. Many lost their family members too.

Do you have exams or what? Good luck then and better quit PDF and social media if so.

don't bring the people to this, I keep saying when I say the west, I mean the government not the people...
oh so arm Syrians so more bloodshed, your excuse not to arm Palestinians, that they will get killed, so arming Syrians will not get them killed??... all this bloodshed is because of the west's and their puppets arming terrorists in Syria... F$A are terrorists, they work with AQ and also with I$I$, why do you call AQ terrorists but not F$A? they are the same thing, just different names.. F$A caused the death of Syrians and destruction of Syria, all you have to do is look at Syria before and now...
for example Russia supports peace, it even met with the so called "Syrian" opposition when Moza Alkahtib what their "leader" aka western puppet leader.... and the west to this refuses peace, and it only supports bloodshed...

anyways we keep going in circles, I'm done with you, you do what the west does, as long as you are following them, you will never understand the truth...

I have not written that you are against the Western people.

I have not armed anyone nor have 99,99% of all Saudi Arabians. Only a few dozens of people make the decisions.

Arming Palestine means becoming another North Korea or Iran. A sanctioned state. Nor will those arms change anything. It's not like anyone can/is arming Palestine with hard weapons.

What about all the other Muslim countries and Arab countries? Some with stronger militaries than that of KSA. Why always the focus on KSA? Jordan and Egypt (neighbors) have diplomatic relations with Israel and peace treaties. What would you call them then?

Israel has been occupying Syrian land for 40 years (Golan Heights) but Syria never tried to retake it. What would you call that?

I don't think that FSA are Al-Qaeda or Daesh. This is nonsense.

I prefer China and West over Russia. I see no problem with this.

What do you think about the Arab Peace Initiative?

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Edison Chen]

Feel sorry for them. Rest in peace

 

[MilSpec]

Don't be so ignorant. These people don't represent us and they are killing Muslims like mosquitos. I don't know why you make such an argument.

You should thank Mrs Clinton for destabilizing Libya, an otherwise stable country, just like Iraq. All of this bloodshed is on your hands.

A cartoon causes outrage in the muslim world.... where is the outrage now?

 

[Antaréss]

leave Syria for Syrians, all this bloodshed is because of the west's and their puppets encouraged it by sending arms and terrorists... there was no bloodshed in Syria before the west's and their puppet interference...

Were there western puppets when Hafez massacred thousands of us in Hama in 1982 ?

 

[Syrian Lion]

Well that is not good but most countries that do that are firstly not democracies (so you should not expect too much from them like from for instance Denmark or the UK), do not host non-Muslim refugees and are secondly mostly very homogenous countries in terms of religious affiliation.

Well, I don't like generalizing. I agree that there should be zero of such sad incidents but we cannot prevent all potential lone wolf maniacs from doing such attacks. it is simply impossible.

Just like we cannot prevent every murder, crime, evil etc. from happening. No matter the ideology or motivation.

People who live in for instance Denmark but are against the society and moreover doing illegal crime should be deported no matter where they are from.

I just wrote that I believe that media is more inclined to focus on dead people which is normal.

What about all those millions of people and especially children that have seen the horrors of war? Those are often destroyed people. Very sad. They did not choose this. Many lost their family members too.

Do you have exams or what? Good luck then and better quit PDF and social media if so.



I have not written that you are against the Western people.

I have not armed anyone nor have 99,99% of all Saudi Arabians. Only a few dozens of people make the decisions.

Arming Palestine means becoming another North Korea or Iran. A sanctioned state. Nor will those arms change anything. It's not like anyone can/is arming Palestine with hard weapons.

What about all the other Muslim countries and Arab countries? Some with stronger militaries than that of KSA. Why always the focus on KSA? Jordan and Egypt (neighbors) have diplomatic relations with Israel and peace treaties. What would you call them then?

Israel has been occupying Syrian land for 40 years (Golan Heights) but Syria never tried to retake it. What would you call that?

I don't think that FSA are Al-Qaeda or Daesh. This is nonsense.

I prefer China and West over Russia. I see no problem with this.

What do you think about the Arab Peace Initiative?

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

see you said, if Saudi "Arabia' dares to arm or help Palestine it will be sanctioned.. however when it comes to Syria it is halal, because the west approves it... and if Syria tried to attack Israel, the west and along with puppets will attack Syria, which Arab country will stand by Syria if it gets attacked by Israel? you have the F$A terrorists celebrating and begging Israel to attack Syria... and don't deny that F$A is not AQ, heck most of the battles we won by the Nusra Aq terrorists.. and F$A worked with I$I$ before, but just like mafias, they fought over control and power...

maybe if Israel returns to pre 1967 borders, there could be peace...

Were there western puppets when Hafez massacred thousands of us in Hama in 1982 ?

MB terrorists are western puppets... the MB terrorists bombed, schools, hospitals and etc... thus they needed to be exterminated...

 

[al-Hasani]

see you said, if Saudi "Arabia' dares to arm or help Palestine it will be sanctioned.. however when it comes to Syria it is halal, because the west approves it... and if Syria tried to attack Israel, the west and along with puppets will attack Syria, which Arab country will stand by Syria if it gets attacked by Israel? you have the F$A terrorists celebrating and begging Israel to attack Syria... and don't deny that F$A is not AQ, heck most of the battles we won by the Nusra Aq terrorists.. and F$A worked with I$I$ before, but just like mafias, they fought over control and power...

maybe if Israel returns to pre 1967 borders, there could be peace...


MB terrorists are western puppets... the MB terrorists bombed, schools, hospitals and etc... thus they needed to be exterminated...

Your beloved Iranian Mullah's have been apparently arming Palestine for 36 years. Have they succeeded with anything? The answer is ZERO. In fact more Israeli settlements have been built in the West Bank.
They just gave more reasons for Israel to kill more Palestinians. Is that what you want?

All that crying about KSA while nobody else is doing anything either. Nor going to war with Israel. Why don't Syria reclaim the Golan Heights and go to war with Israel then?

FSA are not Al-Qaeda.

KSA would not be sanctioned if the government supported Al-Assad. So that logics does not work here.

Did you read the link? That's exactly one of the conditions for the peace treaty.

 

[Aepsilons]

Islamic State jihadists have released a video showing the murder of 21 Egyptians, who they captured in Libya around Christmas.

The Egyptians, dressed in orange jump suits, were beheaded after being forced down on the ground. The video appeared on the Twitter feed of a website that supports Islamic State. A caption on the five-minute video read: "The people of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian church."

Before the killings, one of the militants stood with a knife in his hand and said: "Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for."

The 21 men, all migrant workers hailing from impoverished areas of central Egypt, were kidnapped between late December and early January. Fourteen came for the same village, Al-Our.

An eyewitness to the abductions of several of the men on January 4 told The Telegraph that black-clad militants had entered their living quarters in the middle of the night, carrying a list of named Christians. Relatives in adjoining rooms were left cowering behind their doors, waiting for the jihadists to break them down. But the militants left suddenly, apparently after kidnapping an allotted quota of victims.

nd it was also announced on Saturday that a second group of 21 Egyptians had been kidnapped in Libya - this time from Misrata. It wasn't clear why Isil had seized two groups of 21 people.

Isil claims to have established affiliate groups in three different areas of Libya, a common destination for Egyptian Christians.

The story of Isil's Egyptian hostages is entwined with those of the region's soured revolutions.

They left Egypt, their families say, for a better life. Four years after the overthrow of long-time ruler Hosni Mubarak, the country's battle-scarred economy offered them little work, and Christian churches and shops in their governorate, Minya, had faced a series of high-profile sectarian attacks.

The journey out of poverty to Libya is one that many have made over the years. Every year, thousands of Egyptians are lured by the prospect of salaries up to seven times greater than the paltry sums they can command at home.

The government of President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi has faced heavy criticism from the families of the hostages, who say they have seen no concrete attempts to resolve the situation.

Islamic State release video showing beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians - Telegraph

Barbarism.