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During the Shah Regime the relations were good , I mean real good , but you see , Just suppose Pakistan is not a Nuclear state, that makes a hell of a difference even If it has Raptors in it's air force.
India had it , so Pakistan also needed/wanted to have it and they went through that phase.
I think Iran is doing the same , and Iran main foe is Israel (without a doubt) and Israel biggest threat is Iran, also Israel is widely believed to have WMD's and hence the Iran also want's to be / feels to be at equal terms with the Israel and hence they started the Nuclear Program , and yet again , there is a point which is called point of no return , I think they would have already gave it up if they couldn't do it , maybe they are really close to achieving the goal , maybe they really are , maybe they aren't , time will tell.
One thing is for sure, If Iran becomes a nuclear power, the way things work in the region will change forever.
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Good Points ! Keep increasing my knowledge.I believe that Iran's stance is for its civilian nuclear rights, since I am pretty sure that if it wanted to get the N or H-bombs it would have done it by all means.
The western countries are arguing mainly about the potential of a civil nuclear nation to make nuclear weapons. Which sounds like a Machiavelli-like argument: You should not have any nuclear technology, because there is a potential of making nuclear weapons. So the West is thinking with its own insecurities in mind instead of trying to understand other people needs. I is the least to say an irrational behavior.
Iran aims to be an industrial nation, and nuclear energy can be the fuel to run its engine. that is called looking ahead, since oil is not an infinite resource, Iranians think about using their oil revenues to industrialize their nation. What is wrong with that?
Iran has chosen the path of independence and self reliance, that is why - I think -, they are still holding on to their "old:The F-14 Tomcat was already a generation ahead when Iran acquired it." warplanes, while working on projects of their own.
They compensate -while waiting - with sophisticated air defenses (with Bavar -373 is nearing completion), and sophisticated all ranges missiles and cruise missiles.
So, I do not think that this Russian deal has any true value, the S-300 deal is still on many minds.
During the Shah Regime the relations were good , I mean real good , but you see , Just suppose Pakistan is not a Nuclear state, that makes a hell of a difference even If it has Raptors in it's air force.
India had it , so Pakistan also needed/wanted to have it and they went through that phase.
I think Iran is doing the same , and Iran main foe is Israel (without a doubt) and Israel biggest threat is Iran, also Israel is widely believed to have WMD's and hence the Iran also want's to be / feels to be at equal terms with the Israel and hence they started the Nuclear Program , and yet again , there is a point which is called point of no return , I think they would have already gave it up if they couldn't do it , maybe they are really close to achieving the goal , maybe they really are , maybe they aren't , time will tell.
One thing is for sure, If Iran becomes a nuclear power, the way things work in the region will change forever.
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Oh come on , U.S.A. is in no state to take on Iran , not that I am saying It can't , It can but it CAN'T in present situation man, Too much heat.Iran has the capability to build a nuke, but they havn't decided to go ahead with it, if they do we can see US planes over Iranian skies bombing.. and the current EU and western Sanction would become UN sanction, in which there's no escape for them
All they have to do is to honestly give up their nuclear weapons-related work. Sanctions would be lifted. Oil revenues would resume. Et voila! They could buy new airplane toys. It's simple if the Mullahs would just think it through.
I think that Iran's Mullahs believe that they need to be a nuclear state to protect themselves from a military strike by Israel and/or the USA, as they see that North Korea has been protected by its nuclear arsenal and Saddam Hussein was not (because he lacked nukes). Therefore, the Mullahs see nukes as an existential protection against their regime being overthrown by the Great Satan or the Little Satan. On the other hand, the USA is unwilling to give the Iranian Mullah regime an ironclad non-aggression promise in exchange for them giving up their nuke program. The USA won't do this because they don't trust the Iranians to behave in the Middle East via a' vis the Sunni powers or Israel, in the absence of an existential threat from the USA. Hence the impasse. The Iranian people will just have to suffer Mullah rule for many more years or decades.
I think that Iran's Mullahs believe that they need to be a nuclear state to protect themselves from a military strike by Israel and/or the USA, as they see that North Korea has been protected by its nuclear arsenal and Saddam Hussein was not (because he lacked nukes). Therefore, the Mullahs see nukes as an existential protection against their regime being overthrown by the Great Satan or the Little Satan. On the other hand, the USA is unwilling to give the Iranian Mullah regime an ironclad non-aggression promise in exchange for them giving up their nuke program. The USA won't do this because they don't trust the Iranians to behave in the Middle East via a' vis the Sunni powers or Israel, in the absence of an existential threat from the USA. Hence the impasse. The Iranian people will just have to suffer Mullah rule for many more years or decades.
Sad really, considering that it one point the R&D base in Iran was headed in the right direction with the Shafagh. Then they deteriorated to the Saeqeh..
Interesting, why did they kill shafagh project.
The Shafaq project is not canceled. Russians refused to give us the RD-33 Engines which was intended to be used in shafaq and M-ATF projects. Iran currently works on several turbo fan and turbo jet Engines to replace those shitty RD-33s.
If every thing goes right we will be able to replace all of our jets with new indigenous fighters by 2025.