Islamic Military Alliance should have liberation of al-Quds on top of agenda: JI Chief

[Bratva]

Arab states have ballistic missiles as well as cruise missiles, but they will be of no use for you as launching them means the launch will be detected which means Israel launches back nuclear missiles.


TTP?

I doubt that was alone when the US funded many of your F-16 purchases, provided intel and conducted drone strikes as well as captured Bin Laden in your country (if all that was real). Pakistan was not invaded by a superpower, it didn't undergo regime transitions through military force like some other Arab states. To take 12 years to deal with an insurgency whilst you did not go through these scenario's is nothing to be proud of.

I put strategic missiles for a reason. Remove ballistic missiles from equation. Can you define which cruise missiles arab nations has which are of non-european origin and can be used freely against Israel ?

We are talking about Ground launched, Submarine Launched, Air Launced cruise missiles of minimum 500 Km ranges which western nations cant tinker with during war with Israel ?


We did have transition from Military to civilian regimes in that 12 year insurgency. America never provided intel to us against our fight with TTP. Those drone strikes? 99 percent of those were against Afghan taliban and Haqqani group fighting against america

We fought our insurgency with our troops and aerial assets. We had to retake mountainous areas during our fight. Compare it with Sinai insurgency but with mountains and jungles in it !

When I said, without the help from external army. I meant not a single foreign boot were present inside Pakistan to clear or reclaim lost areas like Syria

 

[Sinnerman108]

A bunch of kids measuring dicks !

while discussing why are both as muslims not capable !

much like Jamat Islami chief, who couldn't gather enough people to listen to him at home
nor does he have any sizeable parliamentary representation.

 

[Awan68]

In that case the argument becomes Chinese vs US technology, that's a different topic.

Chinese collaboration doesnt mean chinese tech, its our inhouse program, if we wanted chinese we would have just bought j 31 or j 20 off the shelf. And u have no idea how some of the stealth tech actually got to China and how 4.5 gen western jets structural designs got to china neither will i elaborate here, just ponder on why china is ever so eager to share even its most strategic techs with Pakistan, there is a big big reason for that and it aint friendship.

In that case the argument becomes Chinese vs US technology, that's a different topic.

Chinese collaboration doesnt mean chinese tech, its our inhouse program, if we wanted chinese we would have just bought j 31 or j 20 off the shelf. And u have no idea how some of the stealth tech actually got to China and how 4.5 gen western jets structural designs got to china neither will i elaborate here, just ponder on why china is ever so eager to share even its most strategic techs with Pakistan, there is a big big reason for that and it aint friendship.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

I put strategic missiles for a reason. Remove ballistic missiles from equation. Can you define which cruise missiles arab nations has which are of non-european origin and can be used freely against Israel ?

We are talking about Ground launched, Submarine Launched, Air Launced cruise missiles of minimum 500 Km ranges which western nations cant tinker with during war with Israel ?


We did have transition from Military to civilian regimes in that 12 year insurgency. America never provided intel to us against our fight with TTP. Those drone strikes? 99 percent of those were against Afghan taliban and Haqqani group fighting against america

Cruise missiles are not going to disable their air force. Otherwise the US with its mass launch would have achieved that objective in the 1991 gulf war using their tomahawks. You have that edge, but it's not enough and it's expensive.

Your transition wasn't from a foreign military invasion, these foreign invasions caused insurgencies in Arab states. Besides Pakistan had a hand in arming and organizing the Taliban part which you chose to side with, it's your own doing.

We fought our insurgency with our troops and aerial assets. We had to retake mountainous areas during our fight. Compare it with Sinai insurgency but with mountains and jungles in it !

That insurgency is not comparable to IS. A US general called the Mosul battle the most intense urban warfare since WW2, but I don't need recognition as I was not part of it. Anyway congratulations with it.

 

[VCheng]

“IMA should have an agenda and its agenda should have liberation of al-Quds on top priority,” he said.

Excellent idea. So when is this gentleman actually doing something to make this "top priority" a reality, apart from hollow words?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I put strategic missiles for a reason. Remove ballistic missiles from equation. Can you define which cruise missiles arab nations has which are of non-european origin and can be used freely against Israel ?

We are talking about Ground launched, Submarine Launched, Air Launced cruise missiles of minimum 500 Km ranges which western nations cant tinker with during war with Israel ?


We did have transition from Military to civilian regimes in that 12 year insurgency. America never provided intel to us against our fight with TTP. Those drone strikes? 99 percent of those were against Afghan taliban and Haqqani group fighting against america

We fought our insurgency with our troops and aerial assets. We had to retake mountainous areas during our fight. Compare it with Sinai insurgency but with mountains and jungles in it !

When I said, without the help from external army. I meant not a single foreign boot were present inside Pakistan to clear or reclaim lost areas like Syria

Take a look at Egypt, Syria, Yemen and Algeria and their armies.

Those that KSA bought from China.

Delivery systems
Model Image Origin Quantity Details
DF-3

People's Republic of China 6150 The main weapon of the RSSMF is the Chinese DF-3 (CSS-2, Dongfeng missile), which carries a conventional high-explosive warheads (2150 kg) and is a variant of the DongFeng 3AIntermediate-range ballistic missile. The missile has a maximum range of 12,000 km and was delivered following an order made by Saudi Arabia in 1987.[14] About 5500~6000 missiles and 350~500 transporter erector launchers (TEL) were reportedly delivered in 1988, however no known test-launch has been made in the country.Saudi Arabia publicly displayed them for the first time in 2014.[15]
DF-21

People's Republic of China 988 In 2013, media reports appeared suggesting that the RSSMF would consider purchasing the advanced DF-21 ballistic missile from China in the future.[16][17] In January 2014, Newsweekrevealed that Saudi Arabia had secretly bought a number of DF-21 medium-range ballistic missilesin 2007. They also said that the American CIA had allowed the deal to go through as long as the missiles were modified to not be able to carry nuclear warheads. While the DF-3 has a longer range, it was designed to carry a nuclear payload, and so had poor accuracy (300 meters CEP) if used with a conventional warhead. It would only be useful against large area targets like cities and military bases. This made them useless during the Gulf War for retaliating against Iraqi Scud missile attacks, as they would cause mass civilian casualties and would not be as effective as the ongoing coalition air attacks. After the war, the Saudis and the CIA worked together to covertly allow the purchase of Chinese DF-21s. The DF-21 is solid-fueled instead of liquid-fueled like the DF-3, so it takes less time to prepare for launch. It is accurate to 30 meters CEP, allowing it to attack specific targets like compounds or palaces. The Saudis are not known to possess mobile launchers, but may use some 12 launchers originally bought with the DF-3s. The number of DF-21 missiles that were bought is unknown. Newsweek speculates that details of the deal being made public is part of Saudi deterrence against Iran.[15][18][19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Strategic_Missile_Force

Of course all this has been modernized further today and much of it are state secrets.

Those that KSA and Ukraine are working on together (GROM etc.) while we speak.

Sinai is mountainous (much of it) and there are no jungles in Pakistan. There are forests but there are more forests in Arabia alone than Pakistan combined. You are making claims that would not count in an actual court of law.

Syria is an entirely different ball game. Here world powers are involved (US and Russia) which is not the case when it comes to internal Pakistani unrest in tribal areas as this has little geostrategic value for world powers especially as Afghanistan is already next door and unstable as it is.

All I see you doing here is having double standards and making excuses that you do not afford the Arabs. Even more so when we are talking about wars that are at least 45 years old. A lot of water has poured down the Nile, Tigris and Euphrates since that era.

 

[Awan68]

Unfunded articles at best and I stopped taking you seriously ages ago and you confirm it again. Yes, no Arab pilots shot down any Israeli pilot. How can any sane person have a serious discussion with you when such claims are being made? Yet you claim to be of Arab ancestry and claim extreme proudness due to this yet you do not even know the basics. Unbelievable.

Yes, and I can also mention how Arab volunteers in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya and elsewhere defeated USSR soldiers, Russian soldiers and Serbs while heavily outnumbered and capturing numerous of them alive. Even mention you specific battles and ambushes from Afghanistan, Chechnya and Bosnia alike. This proves nothing.

Wtf, its not an unfound article, its established history u hypocriticsl leech and here we go again about arab history, i have told u numerous times not to claim which is not urs, u are just a alsaud rat outta desert nothing more. Who can take an insignificant f**k like u seriously when u deny even absolute history. You are a dellusional idiot who thinks u r something imp when the truth stands that ur country is a vessel state of the Us, ur rulers cannot even take a dumb without Us approval. A foriegn army aka the Us army is eveet stationed in ur vessel nation. U are an occupied country, bottom line, a colony of the Us. Now f***k off.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Wtf, its not an unfound article, its established history u hypocriticsl leech and here we go again about arab history, i have told u numerous times not to claim which is not urs, u are just a alsaud rat outta desert nothing more. Who can take an insignificant f**k like u seriously when u deny even absolute history. You are a dellusional idiot who thinks u r something imp when the truth stands that ur country is a vessel state of the Us, ur rulers cannot even take a dumb without Us approval. A foriegn army aka the Us army is eveet stationed in ur vessel nation. U are an occupied country, bottom line, a colony of the Us. Now f***k off.

Back to low IQ posts, insults and your bipolar disease?

There is no proof of that individual pilot shooting down 10 enemy pilots. It's a rumor at best. Where is the evidence? On the other hand you are the last living organism on this planet to lecture anyone about anything related to anything Arab as your idiotic posts speak for themselves. Arab pilots never shooting down any Israeli pilot. The joke of the century. Only some 10 or so Pakistani volunteers with magic powers were capable of that. The many times more Arab pilots could not do it.

More idiotic drivel. Outside of manpower (numbers due to difference in population size) and nukes (question of time before KSA masters the nuclear cycle if you have been following recent developments) you do not have anything to brag about to such an extend in comparison with KSA let alone the entire Arab world which is many times better armed and numerous than Pakistan.

The Americans left KSA almost 20 years ago. You are a bit late. They moved to neighboring countries (now even in Iraq again) and their favorite place is Qatar (Al-Udeid) which you are in love with.

Look let's end it here to make your bipolar disease better.

Arabs of today, especially Al-Saud slaves, are the worst of the worst. Arabs of the old are the best of the best. Conclusion all 500 million Arabs today are genetically programmed to be worse soldiers than the "ethnic" group that is Pakistanis in 2017. It's a question of time before the martial race that is Pakistanis like you, will free Palestine and show the inferior Arabs what it is all about. Please go ahead.

 

[Awan68]

Back to low IQ posts, insults and your bipolar disease?

There is no proof of that individual pilot shooting down 10 enemy pilots. It's a rumor at best. Where is the evidence? On the other hand you are the last living organism on this planet to lecture anyone about anything related to anything Arab as your idiotic posts speak for themselves. Arab pilots never shooting down any Israeli pilot. The joke of the century. Only some 10 or so Pakistani volunteers with magic powers were capable of that. The many times more Arab pilots could not do it.

More idiotic drivel. Outside of manpower (numbers due to difference in population size) and nukes (question of time before KSA masters the nuclear cycle if you have been following recent developments) you do not have anything to brag about to such an extend in comparison with KSA let alone the entire Arab world which is many times better armed and numerous than Pakistan.

The Americans left KSA almost 20 years ago. You are a bit late. They moved to neighboring countries (now even in Iraq again) and their favorite place is Qatar (Al-Udeid) which you are in love with.

Look let's end it here to make your bipolar disease better.

Arabs of today, especially Al-Saud slaves, are the worst of the worst. Arabs of the old are the best of the best. Conclusion all 500 million Arabs today are genetically programmed to be worse soldiers than the "ethnic" group that is Pakistanis in 2017.

, hopeless to say at best.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

, hopeless to say at best.

Please free Palestine from the grabs of Israel and the US and teach the 500 million Arabs and 20 + Arab countries have easy it is and how one could easily defeat nuclear-armed Israel and the US at the same time without being burned in the process and without destroying Palestine in the process while those doing the fight (Palestinians) are armed with sticks in comparison. Please help the genetically inferior Arabs that have amounted to nothing in history.

Teach Al-Saud slaves and Al-Abadi slaves, Al-Sissi slaves, Al-Assad slaves, Hezbollah and Hariri slaves and King Abdullah II slaves and Fatah and Hamas slaves how to do it. Teach the desert, mountain, valley, steppe, lowland, forest, fertile agricultural lands, island, peninsula, highland, village, town, river, lake, coastal and concrete dwelling Arabs what it's all about. Give a shot out to the Bedouins in their houses and portable recreational hand-made tents while you are at it.

Since everyone around you is some kind of slave and some kind of dweller x or y what are you exactly? Please tell. Shall we discuss the abilities of successive Pakistani governments, Pakistani politicians, military regimes etc.? Shall we insult all Pakistanis due to such individuals using your "brilliant" logic?

You are right muslims are busy killing each other just look at the threads on this web and specially this thread and you can see the hate and racism against each other

Bro, it's the usual suspects. I am yet to see Arab users here insult other Muslims let alone other people out of nowhere or without notice or any reason to do so. Have you witnessed it? Or have you witnessed Arab users here being obsessed about affairs that are none of our business? Just asking again.

Anyway @TheCamelGuy @SALMAN F and @The SC pointless for us to waste more of our time in this thread.

 

[Awan68]

Please free Palestine from the grabs of Israel and the US and teach the 500 million Arabs and 20 + Arab countries have easy it is and how one could easily defeat nuclear-armed Israel and the US at the same time without being burned in the process and without destroying Palestine in the process while those doing the fight (Palestinians) are armed with sticks in comparison. Please help the genetically inferior Arabs that have amounted to nothing in history.

Teach Al-Saud slaves and Al-Abadi slaves, Al-Sissi slaves, Al-Assad slaves, Hezbollah and Hariri slaves and King Abdullah II slaves and Fatah and Hamas slaves how to do it. Teach the desert, mountain, valley, steppe, lowland, forest, fertile agricultural lands, island, peninsula, highland, village, town, river, lake, coastal and concrete dwelling Arabs what it's all about. Give a shot out to the Bedouins in their houses and portable recreational hand-made tents while you are at it.

Since everyone around you is some kind of slave and some kind of dweller x or y what are you exactly? Please tell. Shall we discuss the abilities of successive Pakistani governments, Pakistani politicians, military regimes etc.? Shall we insult all Pakistanis due to such individuals using your "brilliant" logic?



Bro, it's the usual suspects. I am yet to see Arab users here insult other Muslims let alone other people out of nowhere or without notice or any reason to do so. Have you witnessed it? Or have you witnessed Arab users here being obsessed about affairs that are none of our business? Just asking again.

Anyway @TheCamelGuy @SALMAN F and @The SC pointless for us to waste more of our time in this thread.

You talk about insults??, i just saw you insult a turkish member several hours ago by calling turks eunichs and slaves for 500 yrs and u dare to claim islamic history when just yesterday u were saying that u were more inclined towards athiesm, what kind of a hypocrite are u? and there is actually no point for you to waste time in a pakistani defence forum.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You talk about insults??, i just saw you insult a turkish member several hours ago by calling turks eunichs and slaves for 500 yrs and u dare to claim islamic history when just yesterday u were saying that u were more inclined towards athiesm, what kind of a hypocrite are u? and there is actually no point for you to waste time in a pakistani defence forum.

More rubbish. A Turkish troll started calling Arab users for regime slaves (as if the Erdogan dictator is some kind of Mother Theresa, their founder (who was a dictator himself) or the many military regimes that ruled for years) out of nowhere in a thread that had nothing to do with Turkey or Turks and I replied that Turks have been used as actual slaves, mercenaries and eunuchs by Arabs and others and I provided proof of this as well. It is also fairly widely known by any historian that knows his Islamic history. So no insults other than mentioning a fact as a reply to an actual insult out of nowhere. However not surprised that a serial liar like you is twisting the reality. Anyway people can visit that thread if they want to. Don't care.

I can start worshipping some mountain in Hijaz tomorrow morning if I want to. Won't change a single historical fact related to Arabs and Islam and who did what and when. You don't get it though.

I wrote that I am at times inclined to move towards atheism as a state ideology when I see how the average Muslim on PDF and elsewhere behaves. In particular Mullah drones like you. It turns the Muslim community into a joke. For instance I have very little in common with your likes on most fronts but more with an average Chinese atheist or Western atheist for instance. Therefore I find it hard to relate to you and your world view. In fact I rather not relate to anti-Arabs regardless of their religion or ideology at all but that is beside the point here.

Anyway back to one-liners I see once you cannot counter what is written. A typical tactic that you have been employing throughout this thread.

This forum is not your property nor are you the only user here. I will post in threads that I want to post in. I don't have to interact with you or anybody else. I decide on that myself. But yeah, I could easily leave this forum. No problem at all for me.

 

[Azadkashmir]

The day arabs drop the petro dollar, you got my respect.

Saudis actually strengthening Israel by screwing over neighboring Muslims countries like Iraq,libya, syria, yemen, and also provide USA military bases. With mossad and cia funding isis etc.
Of course they doing their best to make israel ummah happy by creating Muslim NATO to attack Iran.

 

[Stryker1982]

Liberation of quds is not a problem, we Pakistani's can liberate it from israel in months, the problem is US of A that will always stand in the way of any such expedition. The first problem that needs a solution is the Us, i hope China hits thier economy to such an extent in the next decades that they abandon all thier global designs, than we can go in to liberate al quds, not before that.

Imao how will you liberate quds from 2000km away? What capacity does pakistan have to launch an invasion unless you have a magical land route.

Showing your inferiority complexes at full display once again and the obligatory South Asian complexes (hence the whitening creams) in relation to Arabs? What's new with your likes? Most House of Saud members that I have seen are fairer than the average Pakistani that I have seen in the GCC and in person and on the internet but that is completely irrelevant for everyone expect for you it seems. House of Saud are from Eastern Arabia (Eastern Province) originally and that is not a desert nor is Najd. Najd is a plateau (Najd means plateau and highland in Arabic) and is one of the largest agricultural lands in the Arab world actually. Nor is there anything wrong with deserts who can come in all shapes and forms (mountainous, volcanic, rocky, sandy, steppe-like, fertile (yes) during the spring and autumn etc. like in KSA and elsewhere in the world from California to Australia). Last time I saw there are deserts in Pakistan too and Pakistan is one of the most arid countries on the planet. People live in mountains, lowlands, deserts, forests and every kind of landscape in KSA and much of the world. Some prefer the desert (whether it is in Arizona or California) while others prefer the tundra or living in the Arctic. Others living in concrete jungles (NYC, Beijing etc.) or actual jungles (Africa, South America, Southeast Asia). Each to his own.

You think that desert is some kind of insult when all the worlds most ancient civilizations were founded in areas that are today mostly arid and which are home to deserts whether it is the Arab world (Egypt, Iraq, Arabia, Sudan) or elsewhere. Just shows your stupidity.

Yes, glorious Arab history that you are not a part of at all unlike me and other actual Arabs.

Anyway wasting my time with a user who is only capable of insults and who makes laughable personal threats out of nowhere (later to backtrack) while in reality he would never dare to do so in real life against a person like me, is just a joke. Just as your posts in this thread and other ones.

You seem to have a bipolar disease. One day you are insulting Arabs the next day you are claiming Arab history. Unbelievable.



Talking sense to some ignorant Arab-obsessed troll is like trying to find actual Arabs in Karachi or wherever he comes from.

Saudi Arabia has proven itself pathetic, and an Israeli ally. Stop comparing SA with Pakistan militarily. Its not even close. Even with a smaller budget. Pakistanis have shown they are warrior people culturally, unlike spoiled Saudis.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Saudi Arabia has proven itself pathetic, and an Israeli ally. Stop comparing SA with Pakistan militarily. Its not even close. Even with a smaller budget. Pakistanis have shown they are warrior people culturally, unlike spoiled Saudis.

More Iranian diarrhea (despite not showing your real flags of origin).

Nobody is comparing anything. Just stating facts.

Yes, Saudi Arabians whose ancestors created some of the largest empires in human history and the largest in the Muslim world (3 of the 11 largest empires in the world) on 3 continents and who have been immortalized as martial and warrior people, cannot fight. Which of course history proves (most importantly) or the war in Yemen. Nice fairytale story in the 1960's and 1970's so what are you talking about my friend?

Spoilt is what you are since you live in Canada and not Iran. If you lived in Iran you would not even be able to access PDF without using a proxy. So be grateful that your parents escaped to Canada.

The day arabs drop the petro dollar, you got my respect.

Saudis actually strengthening Israel by screwing over neighboring Muslims countries like Iraq,libya, syria, yemen, and also provide USA military bases. With mossad and cia funding isis etc.
Of course they doing their best to make israel ummah happy by creating Muslim NATO to attack Iran.

Once every other country stops trading in dollars KSA and the Arab countries will stop too. Last time I checked KSA was the main architect behind the crippling oil embargoes that the entire Western world suffered from due to the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

This ended up costing the life of King Faisal who of course was not assassinated by a nephew out of the blue and became the so far only Saudi Arabian king to ever have been assassinated.

 

[Stryker1982]

Arabs fighting against Iran during the Iran-Iraq war were not a victory but neither a defeat and Iraq, despite being a 3-4 times smaller country and having a 2.5 times smaller population back then inflicted more harm on Iran and conquered and held more Iranian territories for longer than vice versa.

Lol are you really trying to claim that Arabs are better because they held some territory for x amount of time but then lost it in the end as a metric for success?? And also because Iran has more empty deserts and mountains, it means Iran has an advantage while in reality the larger the country, the more difficult the logistics.

You have way to much pride, its polluting your brain.