Islamic countries misuse United Nations HRC to stifle free speech etc.

[Unbeliever]

UN Considers Proposal to Criminalize Defamation of Islam

Geneva. A new U.N. resolution circulated today by Islamic states would define any questioning of Islamic dogma as a human rights violation, intimidate dissenting voices, and encourage the forced imposition of Sharia law. (See full U.N. text below.)

UN Watch obtained a copy of the Pakistani-authored proposal after it was distributed today among Geneva diplomats attending the current session of the UN Human Rights Council. Entitled "Combating defamation of religions," it mentions only Islam.

While non-binding, the resolution constitutes a dangerous threat to free speech everywhere. It would ban any perceived offense to Islamic sensitivities as a "serious affront to human dignity" and a violation of religious freedom, and would pressure U.N. member states -- at the "local, national, regional and international levels" -- to erode free speech guarantees in their "legal and constitutional systems."

It's an Orwellian text that distorts the meaning of human rights, free speech, and religious freedom, and marks a giant step backwards for liberty and democracy worldwide.

The first to suffer will be moderate Muslims in the countries that are behind this resolution, like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan, who seek international legitimacy for state-sanctioned blasphemy laws that stifle religious freedom and outlaw conversions from Islam to other faiths.

Next to suffer from this U.N.-sanctioned McCarthyism will be writers and journalists in the democratic West, with the resolution targeting the media for the "deliberate stereotyping of religions, their adherents and sacred persons."

Ultimately, it is the very notion of individual human rights at stake, because the sponsors of this resolution seek not to protect individuals from harm, but rather to shield a specific set of beliefs from any question, debate, or critical inquiry.

The resolution's core premise -- that "defamation of religion" exists as legal concept -- is a distortion. The law on defamation protects the reputations of individuals, not beliefs. It also requires an examination of the truth or falsity of the challenged remarks -- a determination that no one, especially not the UN, is capable of undertaking concerning any religion.

Tragically, given that Islamic states completely dominate the Human Rights Council, with the support of non-democratic members like Russia, China, and Cuba, adoption of the regressive resolution is a forgone conclusion. E.U. diplomats hope at best to win over a handful of wavering Latin American states to the dissenting side.

Source: europenews.dk/en/node/21043 (You can also find the complete draft from the UN there)

This is really an somewhat outrages to me..
In an attempt to distract from their own massive social problems countries like Iran, Saudi-Arabia and Pakistan(who are at the forefront of this proposal) try to censor everyone you dares to criticize their archaic believes(sorry but traditional Islam is quit archaic in my eyes), so that the problems continue to be projected on the "west" by the population..
And above all they try to hide their true insidious intent bye using a language of tolerance while intolerance and mind-dictatorship is what they are actually pushing for.
Freedom of Speech is an inalienable human right and a prerequisite for democracy and progress and sadly it is in danger and heavily under attack in Europe in general..

I read in the poll that was done with 31000 people in 13 countries to find out what the people in Muslim countries dislike most about the west. It turned out to be the condescension. But if I see what medieval religious censorship and archaic ideas are pursued by the leaders and many religious figures I can't help but think: Before you don't stop with these ideas that undermine the very concepts of rational, free societies than the condescension is well deserved.

This might sound harsh but if you look at the facts a little harshness seems fair. I don't expect you to go "easy" on me and I am as always looking forward to discussions with everyone...

I am so sick of the constant pushing for censorship, special pleading, the whining and being offended at basically everything that at least a considerable amount of the Muslim population both in and out of Europe have done.
But above all I blame our spineless politicians for implementing "hate speech"-laws[a wolf in sheep's clothing.. ] that ponder to those extremists...
I am really wondering what moderate Muslims think about this.

Questions:

Do you think Islam should be above criticism? If so, why? If not, wtf is going on with your leaders? Where is the public protest/outrage?
What do you think of countries which legally stone people for adultery and lash old ladies for having their bread delivered by a non-relative 80 times running the human rights Council of the UN?
Do you think "the west" is condescending? If yes, do you understand where this condescension comes from?

If you had to name the one thing/concept/motivation most hurtful to human bliss overall, what would pick?

 

[Unbeliever]

Nobody? I thought criticism of any kind would be adressed here. I mean this has to trigger some kind of reaction. Agreement, Disagreement? Outrage? Unwavering Support?
Are the leaders of Iran, Pakistan etc. representing some of you in this matter or non at all?

I know this post is not PC or anything (because political correctness is very much overrated, honest discussion is much more valuable imo) but if you just respond to tell me to f*ck off I can live with that too
I just can't accept that you would be indifferent to such an issue..

 

[Patriot]

Well, Pakistan fortunately does not have any strict Islamic laws like Saudi Arabia.IMO State and Religion should be separated but yeah, there are some Muslims who think it's their duty to enforce Islam in west which is competely wrong.OTOH, there are some westerns who think it's their duty to remove Islamic Laws from Muslim countries (Look, If people of Saudi Arabia have no problem with Islamic Laws then why should westerns have problems with that? ).Every country has some freedom limits..In Europe i can't talk about holocaust.UN certainly can't dictate America or other countries regarding freedom of speech laws so don't worry UN won't push strict Islamic Laws in Germany .

 

[Kharian_Beast]

If you had to name the one thing/concept/motivation most hurtful to human bliss overall, what would pick?

corruption and secrecy in high office / racism / attacking the victim and defending the criminal.

 

[Unbeliever]

Well, Pakistan fortunately does not have any strict Islamic laws like Saudi Arabia.

True, Pakistan is not as strict as Saudi Arabia or Iran but they have certainly joint them on the forefront of this initiative.

IMO State and Religion should be separated but yeah, there are some Muslims who think it's their duty to enforce Islam in west which is competely wrong.

That is good to hear, apparently though especially many Muslim unions think that their duty and we are way to tolerant to those fundamentalists(not necessarily terrorists) who interpret the Qua'ran literally.

OTOH, there are some westerns who think it's their duty to remove Islamic Laws from Muslim countries (Look, If people of Saudi Arabia have no problem with Islamic Laws then why should westerns have problems with that? ).

I don't think women and girls in Saudi-Arabia(or Morocco, Somalia etc.) and many other countries "have no problem" with a slave-like existence.. especially if offered an alternative in freedom and equality (that is why those, who can, flee to Europe).
So yeah, people in a repressive system are not okay with it just because they don't rise up against it. That comes from a lack of power or because they got mindfucked by religious indoctrination. Thats where interventionism comes in. To free a society from an absolutist ruling class or a corrupt ideology/culture is a good and just thing in principle but I agree that values can't be forced on a society but must be discovered by themselves. Criticism is good, but military intervention to restructure a society and "impose" values will not work most of the time. Especially since war and loss will make people cling to what they know and are used to.

Every country has some freedom limits..In Europe i can't talk about holocaust.UN certainly can't dictate America or other countries regarding freedom of speech laws so don't worry UN won't push strict Islamic Laws in Germany .

Not entirely true. With "talking about the holocaust" you probably mean denying it (because everything else is not a problem at all), that is only outlawed in Germany for obvious reasons.. Apart from making an as* out of yourself, you can do even that without legal consequences in all the rest of Europe. So it is a taboo but not a limit to freedom of speech. (and Europes outrage over the Iranian "caricatures" was not accompanied by violence so it is really not to be compared to the Mohammed cartoon situation which was symptomatic of the whole issue.)

Well, they can't enforce it but the UN is a respected institution and they are misusing it and try to appeal to our political correctness even using words like tolerance, when they are as intolerant as possible.
In fact criticizing Islam already got 2 politicians in Legal trouble in the Netherlands and Austria, so don't say they won't push it, it is already happening. With the help of multicultural leftists and the huge Muslim population over here they already do impose special standards when it comes to Muslims and Islam. There are Sharia courts in Britain already...
See freedom of speech includes saying things that are offensive. I don't know if I can repeat what the politicians said here, but I mean wtf it is just words, right?
That is what makes Religion so idiotic in my mind, people burning down building and killing people because their "religious feelings" have been hurt...