Islamabad Metro Bus, Lahore Metro Bus Criticism

[NaMaloom]

Here is today's (June 4th, 2015) show OFF THE RECORD w/ Kashif Abbasi on ARY News, Zubair Umer of PMLN grilled.

Youtube Video

The gist of the program, former Rawalpindi General Hospital now known as Benazir Bhutto Hospital has serious problems where ventilators don't work, dialysis machines don't work, etc. Same is the case with Islamabad's biggest hospital, PIMS where patients die all the time due to lack of adequate facilities and resources.

Similar short-comings throughout Punjab in health and education sectors coupled with high unemployment and what does the provincial government decide to do?

Build 'Metro Bus' projects, slapping concrete everywhere and claim this is 'development'.

The costs of building both Metro Bus projects have gone through the roof. Rs. 50b for Islamabad Metro Bus Project according to some estimates, while roughly Rs. 30b for Lahore Metro Bus Service.

For the math and technical details, read the following report

Just how 'Fit for Purpose' are the Metrobus projects? - Blogs - DAWN.COM

Excerpt from the blog,

"According to the American Public Transport Association BRT infrastructure should cost US $2-18 million/km, the Lahore Metrobus’ infrastructure capital cost is more expensive as compared to international benchmarks. As per published figures, the infrastructure costs in US$ per kilometer (all costs escalated to 2014) for BRT for various cities are:

• Ahmedabad, India $3 million/km
• Dalian, China $4.5m/km
• Guangzhou, China $6.5m/km
• Istanbul, Turkey $10m/km
• Bogota, Columbia (new phase) $13.3m/km
• Lima, Peru $10m/km
• Los Angeles, USA $ 14.4m/km

Given lower labour costs in Pakistan and averaging the above figures, a fair estimate for infrastructure costs should be approximately $5-7m/km.

Therefore, at $11m/km, the Lahore Metrobus cost wise is substantially higher than the benchmark.

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It does not take rocket scientist to figure out that PMLN's massive 'shock & awe' development projects at staggering costs to the national exchequer are rife with corruption - commissions and kickbacks.

As per the claims in the show,

Rawalpindi-Islamabad Metro Bus Project and Karachi's Green Line were approved at the same time and as shown in the show PPP's Murad Ali Shah admits that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said he will fund Karachi's green line 100% from Federal funds and complete it in One Year time frame along with Rawalpindi-Islamabad Metro Bus Project; however, NO MONEY was given, not a single brick laid for Karachi project, but Rawalpindi-Islamabad Metro Bus Project was finished because its a 'Punjab related project'.

And instead of Islamabad's Capital Development Authority having any role in the Rawalpindi-Islamabad Metro Bus project, all the banners hanging at the inauguration ceremony were that of Rawalpindi Development Authority - means, credit being taken by Punjab province instead of the Federally controlled Capital Development Authority. Pretty sad indeed.

@SBD-3 @Leader @Jzaib

 

[xyxmt]

old woman:
hye hye metro ne mar dya, arrey koi bachao hamain to metro.mar gye
arey hay koi alah ka banada jo hamain bacha le metro se

a passer by: Arrey ama metro to aik bus hay wo kasey marey gi aap ko

old woman: arrey yeh kambakhat PTI wala to keh raha tha Metro aik pagal kuta hay jo borhoon ko kha raha hay aaj kul

 

[Dubious]

old woman:
hye hye metro ne mar dya, arrey koi bachao hamain to metro.mar gye
arey hay koi alah ka banada jo hamain bacha le metro se

a passer by: Arrey ama metro to aik bus hay wo kasey marey gi aap ko

old woman: arrey yeh kambakhat PTI wala to keh raha tha Metro aik pagal kuta hay jo borhoon ko kha raha hay aaj kul

So you give a thumbs up to open looting of the country? And the govt should not answer to the very people who voted for it? Dude that isnt democracy!

One in Canada should know better how people who loot are QUESTIONED!

 

[xyxmt]

So you give a thumbs up to open looting of the country? And the govt should not answer to the very people who voted for it? Dude that isnt democracy!

One in Canada should know better how people who loot are QUESTIONED!

ones in Canada come with proof when they make an allegation. mere tutsi totsi gupshup on TV shows wont do jack. Well, Kalabagh is done, metro is finished, lets start CPEC bashing now. Either you have a platform to raise these issues or just keep fighting the TV show fights. x is busted, y is exposed, A insults B, C leaves D speechless....maja lo maja.

 

[Dubious]

ones in Canada come with proof when they make an allegation. mere tutsi totsi gupshup on TV shows wont do jack. Well, Kalabagh is done, metro is finished, lets start CPEC bashing now. Either you have a platform to raise these issues or just keep fighting the TV show fights. x is busted, y is exposed, A insults B, C leaves D speechless....maja lo maja.

Explain why a poor country went with an expensive metro? Its not like our buses are imported from Germany nor are they special in any way....

The material on the road will be shown when we get our 1st rain - if it resists good but then again I dont thin roads of Istanbul are made of crap at cheaper the price!

So kindly do enlighten us with the breakdown of which part of the process cost more than international market and how is it better that we paid so much more?

 

[Menace2Society]

Only in Pakistan would you make such a big fuss over a bloody bus stop and bus service.

Not surprising when you hold ceremonies for roads.

Pathetic low life mindset. You should be thinking to build skyscrapers and huge shopping malls and maglev trains not this jungla bus service.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Benazir hospital to be renovated

Quote:
RAWALPINDI: The Punjab government will soon release Rs98.7 million for the refurbishment of 65-year-old building of Benazir Bhutto Hospital (BBH).

Talking to Dawn, BBH Medical Superintendent Dr Asif Qadir Mir said the renovation work was likely to start this month.

He said the amount would be released under annual development programme of the provincial government.

According to the plan, the ceiling, walls and washrooms of medical and surgical wards will be refurbished and outpatient department will be extended to create more space for the patients.

The MS said the building, constructed in late 1950s, needed to be renovated to provide healthy environment to the patients. He said no major renovation had been done since its construction.

He said that the work on reconstruction of emergency department was in progress at a cost of Rs60 million.

He said that mostly 1,400 patients daily visited emergency department and over 1,500 came to OPD of the hospital.

Benazir hospital to be renovated - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

 

[Menace2Society]

Mass transit bus stop in Islamabad

Mass transit bus stop in Copenhagen

Mass transit buss stop in Paris

Mass transit bus stop in Frankfurt

What was the need to construct such a large monstrosity?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Mass transit bus stop in Islamabad



Mass transit bus stop in Copenhagen



Mass transit buss stop in Paris


Mass transit bus stop in Frankfurt


What was the need to construct such a large monstrosity?

These are Regular Buss Stops


Jakarta

Chengdu

Kuala Lumpur

Guangzhou's BRT



Mass transit in every sector of Islamabad According to Menace2



Where was he when the Metro Project was about to start he said the same project cost is 4 billion we have Asian Development bank report with us we will go to supreme court???

Why didn't he went to supreme court to stop this project?

where did ADB report vanished?

if he was so sure that this project will cost 4 billion then why he didn't present the report on media or in front of Supreme court??

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Kashif Abbasi did told that Benazir hospital ventilators are not working
what about this which is few km away from that hospital??


Rawalpindi institute of Urology under construction

Render

well here are Tenders of Benazir Hospital opened in Feb 2015 and Dec 2015 the building will be upgraded too soon

Benazir hospital to be renovated

Quote:
RAWALPINDI: The Punjab government will soon release Rs98.7 million for the refurbishment of 65-year-old building of Benazir Bhutto Hospital (BBH).

Talking to Dawn, BBH Medical Superintendent Dr Asif Qadir Mir said the renovation work was likely to start this month.

He said the amount would be released under annual development programme of the provincial government.

According to the plan, the ceiling, walls and washrooms of medical and surgical wards will be refurbished and outpatient department will be extended to create more space for the patients.

The MS said the building, constructed in late 1950s, needed to be renovated to provide healthy environment to the patients. He said no major renovation had been done since its construction.

He said that the work on reconstruction of emergency department was in progress at a cost of Rs60 million.

He said that mostly 1,400 patients daily visited emergency department and over 1,500 came to OPD of the hospital.

Benazir hospital to be renovated - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Doctors are the one getting commissions from the medicines companies he will only prescribe the medicine from which he will get the commission from have you never seen Medical Stores right next to Doctors Clinic???

Doctors are the one getting commissions from the Labs which do various test the Doctor prescribe you to have some test from the XYZ lab and give him the reports as the X-rays and other machines of the Hospitals are not working properly....

even you can see many Labs right next to or few KM away from every Gov Hospitals and who we blame we blame Gov

 

[Mr.Nair]

Kochi metro cost 820 million dollar for 25.6 Km and that too metro train on expensive land

Kochi Metro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How come this project go beyond 500 million dollar that too bus metro !

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Kochi metro cost 820 million dollar for 25.6 Km and that too metro train on expensive land

Kochi Metro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How come this project go beyond 500 million dollar that too bus metro !

Check the Dollar rate of Pakistan and India before comparing it

 

[Emmie]

@Mr.Nair, sorry I misread your post.

 

[NaMaloom]

Kashif Abbasi did told that Benazir hospital ventilators are not working
what about this which is few km away from that hospital??


Rawalpindi institute of Urology under construction

Render

well here are Tenders of Benazir Hospital opened in Feb 2015 and Dec 2015 the building will be upgraded too soon

Benazir hospital to be renovated

Quote:
RAWALPINDI: The Punjab government will soon release Rs98.7 million for the refurbishment of 65-year-old building of Benazir Bhutto Hospital (BBH).

Talking to Dawn, BBH Medical Superintendent Dr Asif Qadir Mir said the renovation work was likely to start this month.

He said the amount would be released under annual development programme of the provincial government.

According to the plan, the ceiling, walls and washrooms of medical and surgical wards will be refurbished and outpatient department will be extended to create more space for the patients.

The MS said the building, constructed in late 1950s, needed to be renovated to provide healthy environment to the patients. He said no major renovation had been done since its construction.

He said that the work on reconstruction of emergency department was in progress at a cost of Rs60 million.

He said that mostly 1,400 patients daily visited emergency department and over 1,500 came to OPD of the hospital.

Benazir hospital to be renovated - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Doctors are the one getting commissions from the medicines companies he will only prescribe the medicine from which he will get the commission from have you never seen Medical Stores right next to Doctors Clinic???

Doctors are the one getting commissions from the Labs which do various test the Doctor prescribe you to have some test from the XYZ lab and give him the reports as the X-rays and other machines of the Hospitals are not working properly....

even you can see many Labs right next to or few KM away from every Gov Hospitals and who we blame we blame Gov

C'mon bro! You keep posting the same old pics of that Institute of Urology under construction. And its good that Benazir Hospital will be renovated. But you are missing the point, its not just about ONE hospital or ONE school, or ONE anything. If someone says the education and health system of Punjab are amazing, there will not be a bigger liar than that person.

So instead of fixing the system by investing money into it and instituting reforms and accountability, PMLN simply believes in slapping concrete everywhere, big shiny buses, and then relax cuz 'vote tow pakka hogaya' in their opinion.

 

[xyxmt]

Explain why a poor country went with an expensive metro? Its not like our buses are imported from Germany nor are they special in any way....

The material on the road will be shown when we get our 1st rain - if it resists good but then again I dont thin roads of Istanbul are made of crap at cheaper the price!

So kindly do enlighten us with the breakdown of which part of the process cost more than international market and how is it better that we paid so much more?

I am sorry I usually dont get involved in afwah bazi