Islamabad in a fix over joining US-led coalition

[Zibago]

Dejavu
@gambit @django @Akheilos @waz @WAJsal @Imran Khan

 

[Azog]

We need to support this war

 

[Zibago]

@engineer saad @Abu Namr

We should support it like we supported Saudi operation

By not doing anything

This is probably gonna surprise a lot of people, but I'm for joining. ISIS already has a presence in the region, and Pakistan will have to deal with it, sooner or later. Its already fighting ISIS affiliates in the tribal region anyway.

Besides, Pakistan can extract concessions from the US, as preconditions to join.

Pakistan can't afford to sit back, as history has shown, the situation will only become worse for it. The last time Pakistan sat back, AQ was given room to gain a foothold in it's tribal region, the consequences of which we see today; ISIS is far more dangerous and would be harder to remove.

This doesn't have to be a separate war, rather it could be a continuation and expansion of ZeA, which many have already been advocating.

No way buddy aik Bari ki thokar kafi nave KIA?

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Pakistan should ask USA first to do more in Afghanistan to eliminate terrorists.

Teri munchon kay sadqay jaon pehli baar koi piyari baat ki hai Waah Waah muqarrar muqarrar.

 

[Zibago]

We should remain neutral

 

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This is probably gonna surprise a lot of people, but I'm for joining. ISIS already has a presence in the region, and Pakistan will have to deal with it, sooner or layer. Besides. Pakistan can extract concessions from the US, as preconditions to join.

Pakistan can't afford to sit back, as history has shown, it will only become worse for it. The last time Pakistan sat back, AQ was given room to gain a foothold in it's tribal region, the consequences of which we see today; ISIS is far more dangerous and would be harder to remove.

As much as you are right,I have to disagree on your opinion of joining with the US. Yes ISIS is a threat but it can be dealt with without depending on the US. History has taught us that never trust uncle Sam. Unless we are given exceptionally great offer by the US, no is the straight forward answer. And by exceptionally great, I mean it to be a really good surprise to everyone to. We are dealing with the Ttp and for me both have no difference except having different name and so called caliphate nominee.
Keep it in mind that if we join the coalition, US has not much to lose but we have alot. Let the creater and funder of this group deal with its mess.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

I can see your frustation for India buddy...calm down

You want to see what frustration actually is go and check threads of Pakistan in talks for Su-35 from Russia

 

[Maarkhoor]

actually there are pleas from UAE and Saudi since Pakistan refuse to join them and they can't afford the death of their own coward men so US hiring Pak army for them

 

[I.R.A]

Yes for the Afghanistan chapter of ISIS, with our boots on ground in Afghanistan and with our Air force flying over Afghanistan without any questions asked. The global chapter should be dealt by powers that have global ambitions.

 

[That Guy]

@engineer saad @Abu Namr

We should support it like we supported Saudi operation

By not doing anything


No way buddy aik Bari ki thokar kafi nave KIA?

Like it or not, Pakistan is already fighting ISIS, through ISIS's affiliates. Pakistan may as well get some help.

Frankly, there is little reasonable choice.

People have this misguided idea that Pakistan would be getting involved in another war, but that's false; Pakistan is already fighting it.

As much as you are right,I have to disagree on your opinion of joining with the US. Yes ISIS is a threat but it can be dealt with without depending on the US. History has taught us that never trust uncle Sam. Unless we are given exceptionally great offer by the US, no is the straight forward answer. And by exceptionally great, I mean it to be a really good surprise to everyone to. We are dealing with the Ttp and for me both have no difference except having different name and so called caliphate nominee.
Keep it in mind that if we join the coalition, US has not much to lose but we have alot. Let the creater and funder of this group deal with its mess.

Who says anything about trust? I did mention that Pakistan would be doing it out its own benefit and agenda (e.g extract concessions).

This has little to do with trust.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

This is probably gonna surprise a lot of people, but I'm for joining. ISIS already has a presence in the region, and Pakistan will have to deal with it, sooner or later. Its already fighting ISIS affiliates in the tribal region anyway.

Besides, Pakistan can extract concessions from the US, as preconditions to join.

Pakistan can't afford to sit back, as history has shown, the situation will only become worse for it. The last time Pakistan sat back, AQ was given room to gain a foothold in it's tribal region, the consequences of which we see today; ISIS is far more dangerous and would be harder to remove.

This doesn't have to be a separate war, rather it could be a continuation and expansion of ZeA, which many have already been advocating.

Yes or No I would rather say wait and watch because I believe there will be a time when we have to jump in an upcoming war in Syria but for now this is not the time. In addition we need to be prepared for that time because its gonna happen sooner or later. Mark My Words.

 

[That Guy]

Yes or No I would rather say wait and watch because I believe there will be a time when we have to jump in an upcoming war in Syria but for now this is not the time. In addition we need to be prepared for that time because its gonna happen sooner or later. Mark My Words.

Waiting and watching is exactly why Pakistan's security situation deteriorated. I say that it should join now, before the situation is allowed to get worse.

[edit]: It seems I'm alone in my opinion. Feel free to try and convince me other wise. I'm open to new, well thought out arguments and opinions.

 

[haviZsultan]

Interfering in other countries has already cost us a lot. We must avoid further interference. Though ISIS is completely evil we have enough problems at home to deal with rather than getting involved in stopping militant movements throughout the world. By not acting in Syria against Bashar Al Asad many countries caused this grave situation. So in simple terms I do not think this is our war. Let the Syrians and Iraqis deal with their problems.

 

[I S I]

@engineer saad @Abu Namr

We should support it like we supported Saudi operation

By not doing anything


No way buddy aik Bari ki thokar kafi nave KIA?

Aik nahiin do baar janaab. 1st in Afghan jihad then post 9/11 war on terror.

 

[Viny]

LOL @ India joining the coalition... Go do Uncle Sam's bidding lil rapist.

LOL @ this pathetic lil weenied Indian.

LOL @ this desi curry thakur... Go and oppress the lower caste Indians. That is all you're good at. Stop interfering in this thread now. You Indians have nothing to look for here.

@Slav Defence @waz @Horus @WAJsal @MilSpec can Mr. Dalit be guided in right direction. Thanks.


Getting back to topic, this is complex scenario for Pakistan.
Getting into war means rise of islamic terrorism supporters in Pakistan and which would be indirectly fueled by its enemies. And if pakistan doesnt take part the tag of terrorism supporter will get more strong and would have to face challenges from global world.

What Pakistan should opt for to go as UN Peace Keeping missionaries while others clear the mess. Because while taking action against ISIS, coalition will also need a team that could support the local mass and keep check on spread of issue.

 

[Zarvan]

Islamabad in a fix over joining US-led coalition
By Zahid Gishkori
Published: September 21, 2015



ISLAMABAD:
With the war against militancy raging on within its own boundaries, Pakistan has to decide within the coming days whether or not to join the US-backed international alliance against the ultra-extremist Islamic State (IS).

Ahead of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s upcoming trip to the US, the government is in a quandary over how it should respond to Washington’s request to join its military alliance against the militant group, which has established a self-styled Caliphate over large areas in Iraq and Syria.

PM Nawaz is expected to visit New York to address the United Nations General Assembly session next week.

The US started bombing IS hideouts in Syria using bases in Turkey in August last year. It has also formally asked Islamabad to join its military alliance to fight the growing global presence of the terrorist group.

Read: Turkish jets join US-led coalition strikes on Islamic State

“Pakistan is caught between the American demand and its own ongoing battle against the militants,” a senior government official said on Sunday.

Islamabad has to decide soon with the PM’s trip to the US coming up. The official claimed the premier and army chief General Raheel Sharif are on the same page, unwilling to join the alliance.

Washington is expected to announce this new alliance – Sahel to South Asia – soon and has already taken Islamabad into confidence, he added.

Foreign Office spokesperson Qazi Khalilullah confirmed the US has shared the idea with Pakistan. “Details however are awaited,” he added.

Last month, US National Security Adviser Susan Rice held meetings with the Pakistani military and civilian leadership when she also extended an invitation to Premier Sharif for the Washington visit.

Officials at the PM Secretariat said Gen Raheel and PM Nawaz would this week discuss the US proposal and other issues ranging from the New York visit, Taliban regrouping, al Qaeda and other militant groups sympathetic to the IS.

With Pakistan facing pressure on its eastern and western borders, they said the fear of suspension of the Coalition Support Fund seems to be Washington’s tactic to pressure Islamabad into joining the proposed alliance against IS.

This would certainly feature during PM Nawaz’s visit to New York this month and then again during the strategic dialogue between the US and Pakistan scheduled for October this year, they added.

Military officials did not comment on the issue when contacted. Senior diplomats said US envoys had been given the task to meet leaders of major political parties to drum up support for this alliance.

A spokesperson for the US Embassy in Islamabad said President Obama developed a plan last year for partnerships from South Asia to the Sahel region, allowing the US to train, build capacity and facilitate partner countries on the frontlines against terrorism. “We continue to coordinate with partners and allies in Europe and the Arab World,” he added.

Iran, Afghanistan and India have already shown willingness to join the alliance to fight against IS.

A spokesperson for the Pakistani Embassy in Washington DC said Pakistan and the US regularly discussed the potential threat of IS keeping in view the evolving nature of terrorism in the Middle East, Sahel region and other parts of Africa and Asia. Pakistan will also participate in the US-led initiative of leaders’ summit on ‘Countering IS and Violent Extremism’ in New York on the sidelines of the forthcoming UN general assembly.

However, Dr Arif Alvi of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf believes Pakistan should not jump into others’ wars. “We should fight our own war in Pakistan,” he said. “We must stay away from this alliance but we can share intelligence with international forces fighting against IS.”

Read: Islamic State says it could buy nuclear weapon from Pakistan within a year

Nafisa Shah of the Pakistan People’s Party called for a parliamentary debate before responding to the US’s proposal. “I personally support multilateral action against IS as it threatens global peace,” she added.

Pakistan, meanwhile, after denying the presence of IS in the country for long, recently put the name of the terror group on the list of proscribed organisations in the country.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 21st, 2015.

I have voted NO in fact a big NO because I think USA and NATO are part of the problem their invasion and so called war on terror led to creation of groups like ISIS. And USA and NATO being part of coalition against ISIS who claim to be following Islam although they are not still it ends up giving ISIS a reason and a propaganda to sell. What should be done is entire Muslim world needs to join and form a coalition and end both ISIS and Bashar Al Assad regime and help both syria and Iraq rebuild themselves.