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Islamabad Changes Tone with US - 'No blank Cheque for US'

Zardari asks US to provide more drones - GEO.tv

ISLAMABAD: President Asif Zardari has asked US to provide more drones to combat terrorism.

In an interview, President Zardari said Pakistan will take action against high value targets if US provide more drone planes. Technology and intelligence would help to get victory. No comprise will be made on country’s sovereignty.

Regarding Mumbai attacks, he said Mumbai attackers also a threat for Pakistan. Pakistan had assisted India in Mumbai probes. Ups and downs in democracy do not mean that country is unstable.
 
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‘No’ to joint operation in tribal areas


‘Reacting to President Barack Obama’s assertion that there would be ‘no blank cheques for Pakistan”, the foreign minister said: “We neither accept nor give one.’


Except in case of China......

As was remarked by your FM in relation to Mumbai blast.

So it will be right in saying he issues blank cheques but selectively.
 
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I dont understand the fact as to why they want a technology transfer of drones to the PA. They are against the drone attacks anyways?

They will also have to attack these targets to eliminate the terrorists and the innocnets might even then die

in addition to reason provided over sensitivities of local populance, PA gets hand on this tech to enhance their batallion level firepower vis-a-vis India, as they can provide platform for Air-OP for target designation for Artillery units as also be used in independent attack mode ......
 
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Just curious to ask

What does Mr.Zardari mean by " More Drones"

As per the discussion in the forum the drones are used by the american military.

If it is more drones then its an addition to an already existing fleet of drones.

Is the PA already using the drones against the militants? or is the US?

no PA DOES NOT have access to the tech ... although there is a proposal in pipeline for some .......
 
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Except in case of China......

As was remarked by your FM in relation to Mumbai blast.

So it will be right in saying he issues blank cheques but selectively.
Well, that's because of the trust levels with Chinese.Pakistan had this kind of trust level with Americans back in 60, 70's and 80's but now it does not exist.
 
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Asim Aquil sir,

i think this should have been done by pakistan long before.

As pakistan is helping USA in its so called war on terror, its effecting Pakistan more than USA. ya pakistan is geting funding from USA but its nothing compared to the damage happening to Pakistan.

In this processes some wicked minded ppls are taking advantage of the situation and further destablilsing some parts of Pakistan. If pakistan gets any strong Government to run its country that would be good.

Definately Pakistan and India have some issue to sort out and i think both countires are mature enough to solve it by themselves by mutule understanding.

The only moto of USA is the energy supplies in the region that it needs to run its country.
 
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in addition to reason provided over sensitivities of local populance, PA gets hand on this tech to enhance their batallion level firepower vis-a-vis India, as they can provide platform for Air-OP for target designation for Artillery units as also be used in independent attack mode ......
Pretty sweet gadgets those armed drones. Can't wait for PA to get their hands on them. To be used against Indian Army you say? Even better!

Now China is different, the problem being their products are usually suspect in QA (toys lately) so better be safe and issue own cheque and not let them provide the credit card which itself will be made in China and quite toxic ......
Suspect in QA? The Pakistan Air Force, Army and Navy disagree with you kid! Contracts for jets, artillery, tanks, ships being signed for years. Perhaps they just send those suspect toys to India and the west... oh well, never mind. Just make sure you check the packaging next time for that "Made in China" label.

no PA DOES NOT have access to the tech ...
Yep, you keep believing that.
 
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Why ignore him? Yes the drones will augment ur PA strike capability. PA has always thought of india as its principal enemy and not the terrorists.

So what he is saying is correct. Just because some satements have reason doesnt mean it can be troll.

You tell us why it is not so?
Do you think either side can use drones in case of war?If Pakistan sends drones across border it will be intercepted quickly by Indian jets and UAV's can't dogfight.It's just like your UAV was shot down by a Pakistani F16 back in 2003 i think.In indo Pak scenrio UAV's are useless as both air forces are quite strong.and the reason i called him troll was he was saying all chinese products are crap.
 
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Yes the drones will augment ur PA strike capability.
No doubt.
PA has always ... india as its principal enemy and not the terrorists.
Agreed.

So what he is saying is correct. Just because some satements have reason doesnt mean it can be troll.You tell us why it is not so?

Why ignore him?
Because he is completely off-topic, therefore he is trolling and he should get an infraction. Not only that, he is trying to insult the Chinese members of this board, for that he should be banned IMO. You too, for supporting his trolling.
 
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no PA DOES NOT have access to the tech ... although there is a proposal in pipeline for some .......

Hahah, this statement made my day. Where do you think they are flying from genius? There is a lot you dont know about the murky relationship between USA and Pak.
 
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I think its all for domestic consumption........do you really think the elite of pakistan are going to put there visa's to the US and EU at risk for the sake of pakistan?
 
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According to a source in the US delegation, the stance taken by the Pakistani side came as a rude shock to the Americans, who had so far been taking the civilian and military leadership for granted.

DAWN.COM | + Pakistan | ?No? to joint operation in tribal areas

this was not for public consumption and it was quite visible from the expressions of our FM. many international papers have noticed it. also this step was to be taken if not now then sometime in future.
for the first time US officials have criticised ISI and army in public. which was not something to let go by pakistan. also drone attacks are not helpin pakistan in anyway. more and more ppl are gettin frustrated and hence gettin radicalised and y will they not when member of their families or relatives get killed and that also by americans. u might kill few taliban figures but many more rise up. this will only lead to radicalisation of the society which has already become a big threat.
few days back a parlimentary committee also gave their final recommendations to the gov and asked for immediate stop of drone attacks. this gave more strength to our gov to speak tough with americans.
also the blank cheque statement by obama was an insult coz it appeared from that as if pakistan has not done anything.
i still think that drone attacks will not stop fully untill gov orders PAF to stop them from enterin our airspace. but this was definately a gud and bold step taken by GoP.
 
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"The sources said the US officials were also told that continuing drone attacks inside Pakistan’s territory were counter-productive and they were asked to shift the drone technology and authority to the Pakistan Army."

No can do. Aborgation of our unilateral obligations to force protection. The British and others are welcome to attack targets across the border too as they see necessary. I would if I were them.

In any case, they don't have this equipment although they soon may. You don't either as we must rely upon ourselves for our defense. We don't see the counter-productive results. We're very happy with the intended targets, I believe, and overwhelmed by indications that those in FATA may not be as keen to be left to sacrifice themselves at the altar of GoP pretensions.

JMHO.:agree:

If Obama says he is for change than I believe there will be room for new commitments and new policies. It would be a rather wasteful to know that Obama is the continuation of Bush. His speech in Ankara indicates he wants peace. And the rather change of tone on Taliban is evidence enough that the terms of engagement are changing.

So I can see that US might well prepare its friends better this time rather than use them as paid militia.
 
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I fail to understand why you need drones to eliminate terrorist within your borders.

Does it mean you have no access to parts of Pakistan and it is controlled by Taliban?

Please address the madrassa and the gun culture that is rampant and teach the true Islam these steps now will be proactive for the coming generations. Or else you will be always fighting the symptoms and never address the core issue.
 
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Trust Is Issue, Pakistan Tells U.S.


By JANE PERLEZ
Published: April 8, 2009

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Two senior American officials came under withering public criticism from Pakistan on Tuesday, with the Pakistani foreign minister saying that “trust” between the countries was in question, particularly over the issue of American missile attacks in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

With the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, and the special envoy to the region, Richard C. Holbrooke, at his side, the minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, said: “We did talk about drones, and let me be very frank: there is a gap between us.”

He added, “The bottom line is the question of trust.”

In another sign of new strains in the relationship, the head of Pakistan’s intelligence service, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, refused to meet separately with Mr. Holbrooke and General Mullen, who had requested a meeting, according to Pakistani officials and an American official, who sought anonymity because he did not want to further damage relations.

General Pasha did attend a meeting with the two Americans and Pakistani military’s chief of staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, according to a statement issued by the press arm of the Pakistani Army after Mr. Holbrooke and General Mullen left Islamabad for India on Tuesday night.

Mr. Qureshi singled out the issue of the remotely piloted aircraft armed with missiles that the United States used against Al Qaeda’s havens in the tribal areas adjacent to Afghanistan.

But senior Pakistani military and intelligence officers have also been deeply rankled by a public suggestion almost two weeks ago by Mr. Holbrooke and the head of Central Command, Gen. David H. Petraeus, that the powerful Pakistani intelligence agency was still supporting Taliban fighters who cross into Afghanistan to attack American troops.

Mr. Holbrooke and General Mullen arrived in Pakistan Monday night for a one-day visit during which they planned to elaborate on the details of the new strategy laid out by President Obama to eliminate Qaeda sanctuaries in Pakistan.

At a news conference at the Foreign Ministry, Mr. Qureshi raised his voice to admonish the two Americans. “The terms of engagement are very clear,” he said. “We will engage with mutual trust and mutual respect, and that is the bottom line.”

He added: “We can only work together if we respect each other and trust each other. There is no other way and nothing else will work.”

Under the new Obama policy, American officials have said, new infusions of American military and civilian aid will be carefully monitored to ensure it is spent for the intended purposes, and not diverted for other uses.

Obama administration officials have said there will be “no blank check for Pakistan.” In response, Mr. Qureshi said Pakistan would “neither accept nor give one.”

Mr. Holbrooke said the United States and Pakistan had enjoyed a long relationship and Washington continued to back Pakistan.

American and Pakistan officials will meet in Tokyo soon to raise funds to help Pakistan with its economic difficulties, he said. “This is the pattern, that will continue,” Mr. Holbrooke said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/world/asia/08pstan.html?hp
 
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