i guess you had also attributed someone else's post to me.
i did not object to use of Allah in Indian songs.
I am very very sorry.
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i guess you had also attributed someone else's post to me.
i did not object to use of Allah in Indian songs.
ashfaque, are you muslim? if so, how do the majority of muslims in india feel about this?
India is overwhelmingly a Hindu nation, and as such many of the social and cultural influences are Hindu in nature. Even if states are secular and avoid religious involvement in matters of state, the influence of the most populous group can never be completely purged if the nation is democratic. This is clearly evident in most secular democracies around the world. Just because there is a heavy Christian (protestant) presence in the US, or an Islamic presence in Turkey, doesn't automatically mean that these states are not secular.mujahideen said:Does it really matter how they feel, its not like they will be heard. And even some of the influential Muslims in India have betrayed their religion. I mean they are marrying Hindus, they are following Hindu superstitions and all other un-Islamic ways of life. This is exactly what Sir Syed, Allama Iqbal and Quaid-I-Azam were scared of. They knew if the two commuties lived together Muslims would loose their true identity because the majority will have their way and will want us to adopt their ways. A good example is the Indian national anthem and the government of India trying to force all its citizens to sing it. The Indian national anthem is clearly a Hindu songs and refers to Hindu gods. This is India's secularism.
Does it really matter how they feel, its not like they will be heard. And even some of the influential Muslims in India have betrayed their religion. I mean they are marrying Hindus, they are following Hindu superstitions and all other un-Islamic ways of life. This is exactly what Sir Syed, Allama Iqbal and Quaid-I-Azam were scared of. They knew if the two commuties lived together Muslims would loose their true identity because the majority will have their way and will want us to adopt their ways. A good example is the Indian national anthem and the government of India trying to force all its citizens to sing it. The Indian national anthem is clearly a Hindu songs and refers to Hindu gods. This is India's secularism.
Well i did little research and turned out that i was right, the song is writen by Gulzar who is sikh and composed by Rehman.
i understand, i know there are some muslims who i am ashamed to call muslim. whether they are indian or whatever, i don't mind, but the things they do to show it. i don't even need to mention bollywood actors! some muslims may struggle to blend in with hindus and adopt their lifestyles. however, all this patriotism, acting, songs, for india they display, is proof enough that they have problems in india. everyone knows muslims have to do "extra" to prove their patriotism and allegiance. still, a lot of muslims in india are very "sympathetic" with pakistanis, just letting you know what i've heard from quite a bit of people and they support pakistan, very much. by the way, a lot of pakistani flags have been hoisted in india, especially in madrassa'sDoes it really matter how they feel, its not like they will be heard. And even some of the influential Muslims in India have betrayed their religion. I mean they are marrying Hindus, they are following Hindu superstitions and all other un-Islamic ways of life. This is exactly what Sir Syed, Allama Iqbal and Quaid-I-Azam were scared of. They knew if the two commuties lived together Muslims would loose their true identity because the majority will have their way and will want us to adopt their ways. A good example is the Indian national anthem and the government of India trying to force all its citizens to sing it. The Indian national anthem is clearly a Hindu songs and refers to Hindu gods. This is India's secularism.
i agree with you on some points, but muslims in india do "kind of" have their own culture regardless of saudi interference. when you talk of saudi interference, you mean wahabi influence. however, i don't think wahabi influence has touch muslims in india, maybe indians living in saudi? however, if you are right in what you are saying, then in one way you have answered some questions i wanted to ask indian muslims, thanks.Take the Mughals for example. They would put today's "decadent bollywood muslims" to shame with their gluttony, indulgence, and sexual escapades.
Take the case of Kerala's muslims. These people had been converted by arab traders, and they used to wear Saris till recently the Saudis told them that they are not being good muslims by doing so.
It never existed till the Saudis made it up. The Persians had their own culture, the Turks had theirs, the Mughals had theirs.
i understand, i know there are some muslims who i am ashamed to call muslim. whether they are indian or whatever, i don't mind, but the things they do to show it. i don't even need to mention bollywood actors! some muslims may struggle to blend in with hindus and adopt their lifestyles. however, all this patriotism, acting, songs, for india they display, is proof enough that they have problems in india. everyone knows muslims have to do "extra" to prove their patriotism and allegiance. still, a lot of muslims in india are very "sympathetic" with pakistanis, just letting you know what i've heard from quite a bit of people and they support pakistan, very much. by the way, a lot of pakistani flags have been hoisted in india, especially in madrassa's
i agree with you on some points, but muslims in india do "kind of" have their own culture regardless of saudi interference. when you talk of saudi interference, you mean wahabi influence. however, i don't think wahabi influence has touch muslims in india, maybe indians living in saudi? however, if you are right in what you are saying, then in one way you have answered some questions i wanted to ask indian muslims, thanks.
i agree with you on some points, but muslims in india do "kind of" have their own culture regardless of saudi interference. when you talk of saudi interference, you mean wahabi influence. however, i don't think wahabi influence has touch muslims in india, maybe indians living in saudi? however, if you are right in what you are saying, then in one way you have answered some questions i wanted to ask indian muslims, thanks.
india is in no position of banning them. it supposed to be a secular country where they not only can't enforce religion, but also they can't interfere with the religions either. you'll find, what you consider to be a lot more dangerous, in US or UK.Wahabbism is making its way around the world faster than you think.
Saudi-funded mosques and madarassas are opening up all over India, and the government refuses to do anything for fear of offending the muslims.
Even Musharraf himself had banned Saud-funded schools. I wonder when these guys will wake up.