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Islam Flourishes in China's Ningxia Region

Anyways, even if Christianity becomes dominant in China that's still a good thing in my opinion since Christians are the People Of The Book.

Ok, so how about they remain atheist/agnostic or Buddhist/Confuciusist (who are not the people of book). Would that not be a good thing ?

Btw on a side note, why is it that "People of the Book" never agree on any issue and have long history of killing each other out. So why the good feeling that you are pointing to, was never seen in effect at any point of history..

I'd be worried if there were alot of churches in Shanghai or Beijing, but there aren't. A large wealth gap means that Christianity becomes popular, a small wealth gap encourages atheism. I think India should watch out on this one.

Why? Do you see Christianity as threat? Just asking..
 
The governments put down those rebellions, not another minority. You have to be clear about that.

There are peaceful time between China and muslims. However, majority of the time between the two saw conflicts since Tang dynasty.

Most muslims currently in China settled down in China with the mongols. They were part of mongol armies. I hardly see that was an invitation.

Indeed a lot of Hui Chinese fought against the japs and they were quite brave. While they were a lot with the KMT that fought the communists as well.

Anyway, most of the Hui Chinese have historic connections with Han Chinese, and I suppose they are now mostly peaceful. However, During Qing dynasty, the Hui rebellion also clashed badly with Han Chinese in China's Shaanxi, Ningxia and Gansu and etc. It was called "回乱“,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungan_revolt_(1862–1877) http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/同治陕甘回变 e.g. the one during 1862. Later Qing emperor sent general Zuo Zongtang (Zuo Zongtang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) to put down the rebellion bloodly. Since Hui rebels initially killed many Han Chinese, General Zuo's action was quite brutal as well. He basically wiped clean the Huis in many regions there. In the end, the remainders of hui rebels escaped into russia then.

Before that, Kangxi, YongZheng and Qianlong all fought different muslim rebels there dreaming to set up so-called islam empire or whatever name they wanted to have.

So simply saying the two has peaceful relation is really totally disregard the historic truth.

If you remember you history, the initial Muslims were invited to China and they even set up a mosque for them.
As for East Turkmenistan, who was it that put down the rebellion? It was the Hui Muslims and they even gave the Uigers a sermon on how to be good Chinese citizens.
Finally, alot of Hui Chinese fought against China's enemies, especially Japan. In fact they stopped Japanese troops dead in their tracks.

Islam is much a part of China as Confusionism and Muslims are as loyal to China as any Han chinese.
 
I can only laugh at all the Indians on this thread trying to convince the Chinese that Islam will be their downfall. This only confirms what many people say about Indians and how much they fear Islam turning it into their own personal boogeyman. To the Chinese you guys have nothing to fear from Islam although they would be Muslims don't forget they will be Chinese Muslim. Just because they are Muslims doesn't mean they would be any less patriotic.
 
We do not worry about those patriotic Chinese muslims who put their country before their religion.

We do worry about those muslims who put their religion before their country.

I can only laugh at all the Indians on this thread trying to convince the Chinese that Islam will be their downfall. This only confirms what many people say about Indians and how much they fear Islam turning it into their own personal boogeyman. To the Chinese you guys have nothing to fear from Islam although they would be Muslims don't forget they will be Chinese Muslim. Just because they are Muslims doesn't mean they would be any less patriotic.
 
But Islam will never be as free and pure as it is allowed in European countries or India for that matter. State interference will be there. What do you explain of the state officials sitting with the local clerics during their sermons?

From my perspective China is being smart in interfering with the religious authorities as it helps remove the intentions to do jihad in the state. However, from Muslim perspective, I think a little more light on how organized religion is allowed in the purview of state's nod should be explained here better.

Hiding that aspect of life isn't going to shower laurels on China.
 
Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region
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Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region is an autonomous region of the People's Republic of China,
Capital(and largest city) Yinchuan
Chairman:Wang Zhengwei( Hui, holds a doctorate in ethnic economics, Born in 1957)
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Area : 66,000 km2 (25,000 sq mi)
Population (2010):- Density 6.3 million, 89.1 /km2 (231 /sq mi)
GDP (2011) CNY 206.0 billion (US$ 32.7 billion)
per capita :CNY 26,860(US$ 3,968)
Ethnic composition:
Han: 61% (3.8 million)
Hui: 35% (2.22 million, 1/5 of Hui of China, 10million Hui in China, 8million in other provinces of China)
other 33 ethnics: 4% (0.25 million)
number of universities: 13
Airports: five
National Highways: six
National Rail: two
Number of Mosque:3760, 500 Muslim/one Mosque
Churchs of Buddhism, Taoism, Catholicism and Protestantism:200
Imam: 10000
The big mosques, the silver Kawaminami Guan Mosque (built in 1915), Wing Ning Na household mosque (built in 1524), Tongxin Mosque (built in 1573).and, Buddhism temple: Cheng Tian temple (built in 1055)
number of generals in China:15
Hui clothing
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Most Huis are han who practice Muslim, I dont know why the @sshole CCP separate them from han? just due to their religion?

I think because many Hui claim to have non-Han Muslim ancestors from other places who moved to China and married among Han or existing Hui Muslims, way back in history. I heard most Hui communities have the grave of these ancestors. It is kind of like many Muslims in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh who have mixed blood of local population and migrant Muslims from other places. I have met Dungan in Central Asia, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan and some in Xinjiang, many of them look a little different from Han, but some look the same as Han, but then Han don't all look the same at all, there is no one look for Han I think. Their restaurants are very popular among Muslims in the US, I guess the food taste good and also because they serve Halal (like Kosher for Muslim).

One time I even dated a Dungan girl in Kyrgyzstan. She was a very strong huge lady, looked fearsome. Reminded me of Ma Bufang.

Panthay Muslims in Myanmar and Thailand should be one kind of Hui Muslim, no?
 
We remain atheist or traditionalist ( buddhist, taoist or confucianist ).

the only religion which I'm afraid for the time being is the Christianity.
Others I'm tolerant for the time being.

My city is wenzhou and it's true there are some conflict between traditionalism and Christians. ( not like the South Korean But I think in some time there will be a conflict because the Christians comments are insulting to their / our ancestors. )
 
We remain atheist or traditionalist ( buddhist, taoist or confucianist ).

the only religion which I'm afraid for the time being is the Christianity.
Others I'm tolerant for the time being.

My city is wenzhou and it's true there are some conflict between traditionalism and Christians. ( not like the South Korean But I think in some time there will be a conflict because the Christians comments are insulting to their / our ancestors. )
Please educate yourself. Evangelical Christianity is the rabid pushy "cult" sponsored by USA's neo-imperialism. George W Bush is a typical Evangelical Christian.

Catholicism is very different from Evangelical Christianity. Catholics are socialist, compassionate and don't push our religion on others. Hugo Chavez is a lefty Catholic. See how Chavez makes the sign of the cross and calls Bush the devil -- "el diablo"! :lol:

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=binMjEiS8AY[/video]




Vatican sides with anti-capitalist protesters and attacks global financial system - Telegraph

Vatican sides with anti-capitalist protesters and attacks global financial system

The Vatican aligned itself with anti-capitalism protesters around the world on Monday when it condemned "the idolatry of the market" and called for a radical shake-up of the global financial system.

By demanding that the worst excesses of global capitalism be reined in, the Holy See echoed the message of protesters encamped outside St Paul's Cathedral in London, the indignados of Spain and the Occupy Wall Street movement in the US.

In a forthright statement, the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace called for an end to rampant speculation, the redistribution of wealth, greater ethics and the establishment of a "central world bank" to which national banks would have to cede power.

Such an authority would have "universal jurisdiction" over governments' economic strategies.

Existing financial situations such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund were outdated and no longer able to deal with the scale of the global financial crisis, which had exposed "selfishness, greed and the hoarding of goods on a grand scale".

The global financial system was riddled with injustice and failure to address that would lead to "growing hostility and even violence", which would undermine democracy.

Wealthy countries should not be allowed to wield "excessive power" over poorer nations, the Vatican said. (SinoChallenger: Ergo, DF-31A is doing the work of God in mysterious ways)

Cardinal Peter Turkson, the head of the pontifical council, said banks needed to question whether they were "serving the interests of humanity" in the way they operated.

The proposal was short on specific detail, beyond calling for a new tax on international financial transactions.

The Vatican hardly has an exemplary record on financial transparency and propriety.

Last year the Vatican Bank, known officially as the Institute for Religious Works, had €23m (£20m) of its assets frozen by Italian authorities as part of an investigation into suspected money-laundering.

After years of resisting calls for greater openness, the scandal forced the bank to adopt international norms on transparency.

The Holy See's murky financial past has included, most notoriously, its involvement in the bankruptcy of Italy's biggest private bank, the Banco Ambrosiano, in the early 1980s.

Its president, Roberto Calvi, who was nicknamed "God's Banker", was found hanged beneath Blackfriars Bridge, with investigators unable to rule whether he had committed suicide or had been murdered.

Thomas J Reese, a Vatican analyst at Georgetown University in the US, said the "radical" proposals put forward on Monday aligned the Holy See with the Occupy Wall Street movement and meant that the Vatican's views on the economic crisis were "to the Left of every politician in the United States".

He said the proposals reflected many of the encyclicals and addresses issued by Benedict XVI on the global economy during the last six years of his papacy.



Catholic social teaching on capitalism

The social doctrine of the Church stands above existing economic systems, since it confines itself to the level of principles. An economic system is good only to the extent that it applies the principles of justice taught by the Church. As Pope John Paul II wrote in 1987, in his encyclical letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis: "The tension between East and West is an opposition... between two concepts of the development of individuals and peoples, both concepts being imperfect and in need of radical correction... This is one of the reasons why the Church’s social doctrine adopts a critical attitude towards both liberal capitalism and Marxist collectivism."

We may understand why the Church condemns Communism or Marxist collectivism which, as Pope Pius XI wrote, is "intrinsically evil" and anti-Christian, with its avowed goal being the complete destruction of private property, family and religion. But why would the Church condemn capitalism?

In his encyclical letter Centesimus Annus (n. 34), John Paul II recognizes the merits of free enterprise, private initiative and profit: "It would appear that, on the level of individual nations and of international relations, the free market is the most efficient instrument for utilizing resources and effectively responding to needs. But this is true only for those needs which are ‘solvent’, insofar as they are endowed with purchasing power, and for those resources which are ‘marketable’, insofar as they are capable of obtaining a satisfactory price. But there are many human needs which find no place on the market. It is a strict duty of justice and truth not to allow fundamental human needs to remain unsatisfied and not to allow those burdened by such needs to perish."

A little further in the same encyclical (n. 42), the Pope explains what is acceptable and what is not, in capitalism:

"Returning now to the initial question: can it perhaps be said that, after the failure of Communism, capitalism is the victorious social system and that capitalism should be the goal of the countries now making efforts to rebuild their economy and society? Is this the model which ought to be proposed to the countries of the Third World which are searching for the path to true economic and civil progress?

"The answer is obviously complex. If by ‘capitalism’ is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a "business economy", "market economy" or simply "free economy". But if by "capitalism" is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality, and which sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative."

Even if Marxism has collapsed, this does not mean the triumph of capitalism. Even after the fall of Communism there are still millions of poor people and situations of injustice in the world:

"The Marxist solution has failed, but the realities of marginalization and exploitation remain in the world, especially the Third World, as does the reality of human alienation, especially in the more advanced countries. Against these phenomena the Church strongly raises her voice. Vast multitudes are still living in conditions of great material and moral poverty. The collapse of the Communist system in so many countries certainly removes an obstacle to facing these problems in an appropriate and realistic way, but it is not enough to bring about their solution. Indeed, there is a risk that a radical capitalistic ideology could spread which refuses even to consider these problems, in the a priori belief that any attempt to solve them is doomed to failure and which blindly entrusts their solution to the free development of market forces." (Centesimus Annus, 42.) :usflag:

The fault that the Church finds with present capitalism is thus neither private property nor free enterprise. Far from wishing the disappearance of private property, the Church rather wishes its widespread availability so that all may become real owners of capital and be real "capitalists":

Catholic social teaching on capitalism
 
I can only laugh at all the Indians on this thread trying to convince the Chinese that Islam will be their downfall. This only confirms what many people say about Indians and how much they fear Islam turning it into their own personal boogeyman. To the Chinese you guys have nothing to fear from Islam although they would be Muslims don't forget they will be Chinese Muslim. Just because they are Muslims doesn't mean they would be any less patriotic.

"Once bitten twice shy".......this is the case for India....

We know what happens when Muslims reach a critical percentage of the population......they'll want their separate PURE Country.....they won't be living side-by-side with atheist,pork-eating Chinese.....

Thanks to Islam.....that modern India is half the size of Ancient India....

Indians are just warning the Chinese since both our countries are spiritually related......Now it's up to the Chinese to decide...
 
Please educate yourself. Evangelical Christianity is the rabid pushy "cult" sponsored by USA's neo-imperialism. George W Bush is a typical Evangelical Christian.

Catholicism is very different from Evangelical Christianity. Catholics are socialist, compassionate and don't push our religion on others. Hugo Chavez is a lefty Catholic. See how Chavez makes the sign of the cross and calls Bush the devil -- "el diablo"! :lol:

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=binMjEiS8AY[/video]




Vatican sides with anti-capitalist protesters and attacks global financial system - Telegraph

Vatican sides with anti-capitalist protesters and attacks global financial system

The Vatican aligned itself with anti-capitalism protesters around the world on Monday when it condemned "the idolatry of the market" and called for a radical shake-up of the global financial system.

By demanding that the worst excesses of global capitalism be reined in, the Holy See echoed the message of protesters encamped outside St Paul's Cathedral in London, the indignados of Spain and the Occupy Wall Street movement in the US.

In a forthright statement, the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace called for an end to rampant speculation, the redistribution of wealth, greater ethics and the establishment of a "central world bank" to which national banks would have to cede power.

Such an authority would have "universal jurisdiction" over governments' economic strategies.

Existing financial situations such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund were outdated and no longer able to deal with the scale of the global financial crisis, which had exposed "selfishness, greed and the hoarding of goods on a grand scale".

The global financial system was riddled with injustice and failure to address that would lead to "growing hostility and even violence", which would undermine democracy.

Wealthy countries should not be allowed to wield "excessive power" over poorer nations, the Vatican said. (SinoChallenger: Ergo, DF-31A is doing the work of God in mysterious ways)

Cardinal Peter Turkson, the head of the pontifical council, said banks needed to question whether they were "serving the interests of humanity" in the way they operated.

The proposal was short on specific detail, beyond calling for a new tax on international financial transactions.

The Vatican hardly has an exemplary record on financial transparency and propriety.

Last year the Vatican Bank, known officially as the Institute for Religious Works, had €23m (£20m) of its assets frozen by Italian authorities as part of an investigation into suspected money-laundering.

After years of resisting calls for greater openness, the scandal forced the bank to adopt international norms on transparency.

The Holy See's murky financial past has included, most notoriously, its involvement in the bankruptcy of Italy's biggest private bank, the Banco Ambrosiano, in the early 1980s.

Its president, Roberto Calvi, who was nicknamed "God's Banker", was found hanged beneath Blackfriars Bridge, with investigators unable to rule whether he had committed suicide or had been murdered.

Thomas J Reese, a Vatican analyst at Georgetown University in the US, said the "radical" proposals put forward on Monday aligned the Holy See with the Occupy Wall Street movement and meant that the Vatican's views on the economic crisis were "to the Left of every politician in the United States".

He said the proposals reflected many of the encyclicals and addresses issued by Benedict XVI on the global economy during the last six years of his papacy.



Catholic social teaching on capitalism

The social doctrine of the Church stands above existing economic systems, since it confines itself to the level of principles. An economic system is good only to the extent that it applies the principles of justice taught by the Church. As Pope John Paul II wrote in 1987, in his encyclical letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis: "The tension between East and West is an opposition... between two concepts of the development of individuals and peoples, both concepts being imperfect and in need of radical correction... This is one of the reasons why the Church’s social doctrine adopts a critical attitude towards both liberal capitalism and Marxist collectivism."

We may understand why the Church condemns Communism or Marxist collectivism which, as Pope Pius XI wrote, is "intrinsically evil" and anti-Christian, with its avowed goal being the complete destruction of private property, family and religion. But why would the Church condemn capitalism?

In his encyclical letter Centesimus Annus (n. 34), John Paul II recognizes the merits of free enterprise, private initiative and profit: "It would appear that, on the level of individual nations and of international relations, the free market is the most efficient instrument for utilizing resources and effectively responding to needs. But this is true only for those needs which are ‘solvent’, insofar as they are endowed with purchasing power, and for those resources which are ‘marketable’, insofar as they are capable of obtaining a satisfactory price. But there are many human needs which find no place on the market. It is a strict duty of justice and truth not to allow fundamental human needs to remain unsatisfied and not to allow those burdened by such needs to perish."

A little further in the same encyclical (n. 42), the Pope explains what is acceptable and what is not, in capitalism:

"Returning now to the initial question: can it perhaps be said that, after the failure of Communism, capitalism is the victorious social system and that capitalism should be the goal of the countries now making efforts to rebuild their economy and society? Is this the model which ought to be proposed to the countries of the Third World which are searching for the path to true economic and civil progress?

"The answer is obviously complex. If by ‘capitalism’ is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a "business economy", "market economy" or simply "free economy". But if by "capitalism" is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality, and which sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative."

Even if Marxism has collapsed, this does not mean the triumph of capitalism. Even after the fall of Communism there are still millions of poor people and situations of injustice in the world:

"The Marxist solution has failed, but the realities of marginalization and exploitation remain in the world, especially the Third World, as does the reality of human alienation, especially in the more advanced countries. Against these phenomena the Church strongly raises her voice. Vast multitudes are still living in conditions of great material and moral poverty. The collapse of the Communist system in so many countries certainly removes an obstacle to facing these problems in an appropriate and realistic way, but it is not enough to bring about their solution. Indeed, there is a risk that a radical capitalistic ideology could spread which refuses even to consider these problems, in the a priori belief that any attempt to solve them is doomed to failure and which blindly entrusts their solution to the free development of market forces." (Centesimus Annus, 42.) :usflag:

The fault that the Church finds with present capitalism is thus neither private property nor free enterprise. Far from wishing the disappearance of private property, the Church rather wishes its widespread availability so that all may become real owners of capital and be real "capitalists":

Catholic social teaching on capitalism





Your link have no connection with my problem that I have just highlighted.

I'm talking about a problem of religious coexistence with Christianity and local religions.

You can not deny the fact by historical effects or topicality make this religion is violent.
Since " Age of Enlightenment " Roman Catholic Church was extremly criticized for many reason violence , policy ,new testament ....

Some famous authors like Diderot criticized the Roman Catholic Church for it's violence .

if some apply the Old Testament and attack atheists etc. etc.
They are simply Christian because he respect the old testament catholic or no catholic .
 
Buy a mirror.

Kidnapping minorities girls raping and forcing them to marry & then conversion, it happens only in Pakistan.

Dont tell me you were a minor Pakistani girl who was raped and then converted .................... :hitwall:

On Topic :

Truth will prevail many will see the light of the truth inshallah. and The new muslims are far better than Muslims coz they pratice islam after studying it . I hope we start educating our children Islam in true sense rather than showing them indian dramas and movies...........
 

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