ISIS poster girl from the UK stripped of citizenship! Shamima not welcome

[Indus Pakistan]

Do we have Muṭawwi Police in UK? If we did you sure could apply.

 

[Mugen]

She should not be allowed back in, or at least never be allowed to roam free.

 

[Yankee-stani]

She should not be allowed back in, or at least never be allowed to roam free.

Probably have Iranian Basjij do the job lol

 

[Numerous]

What are you?

• A officialy appointed agent of Islam by Allah?
• Who has had exclusive access to Sajid to be able to record his religious values
• Who made you the moderator of religious values?
• his faith is between him and his maker and you don't need to intercede.

- We are Muslim, we are told to enjoin good and forbid what is wrong. So I'm not going to be silently endure people like Sajid.

-I don't have exclusive access to someone but I don't need to either, especially as Sajid is a public figure whose words and speeches can be found recorded online.

- If you have such a problem with me having a problem with Sajid then perhaps you need to apply your own rules unto yourself and stop trying to moderate my practise of Islam and my religious values? So you know, stop trying to police me (as they are your rules after all).

- "Only God can judge" is a Tupac quote, not an Islamic quote. Sajid will answer for his actions on judgement but that doesn't mean we don't have to hold him to account in this life either.

I think you need some time off this thread because you're getting a bit too emotionally invested in this.

 

[waz]

They can take the risk. In fact they already do for other young criminals. I had a job before where I had to supervise a 15 year old rapist boy who was under a form of house arrest and who they were trying to reintroduce to society. And let me tell you, that boy was showing clear signs of outright aggression but they were still doing it and he's probably more of threat than this housewife girl will ever be.

It's just a risk which we have to take when rehabilitating criminals and generally the women are far less of a threat than the men.

I don't really like this whole idea of taking away someone's citizenship and I never have. So I'm sticking with my same stance. She was born in the UK and she never visited Bangladesh in her life so she's the UK's problem, not someone else's. It's not an easy pill to swallow but each country should deal with their own criminals rather throwing their problems to someone else.

Well I meant it in the sense that it isn't a big in comparison to what innocent Muslim women have endeared at the hands of the Assad regime or the Iranian backed militias. You know, she has her health, she hasn't been tortured and she hasn't been raped in some dungeon. So she should be thankful in that regard.

I expect they'll want to ship her back to bangladesh somehow bro
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I hear you regarding other criminals bro but do remember they don't have the ability to kill scores. We have no idea whether she is telling the truth and military training was freely available to the women of ISIS, including the ability build bombs. The risk is too great, there isn't a parallel between her and a normal criminal.
Fair enough regarding your opinion wanting her back, others have it to but that is a very small minority. Currently the petition to ban her has surpassed half a million, she just wouldn't be safe or welcome here.
I get the whole UK's problem but she herself surrendered her passport to Daish, so this is a self inflicted wound.
I'm pretty sure she won't be back, and no way is Bangladesh taking her, not with Hasina around.

 

[Cthulhu]

Her mother is Bongladesh, so she can apply for their citizenship.

You see, had any of us done the same thing to one of our own Abu Donkey Jihadi a$$holes here, Those a$$holes in the UK gov. somehow managed to twist the matter into "The Abu Donkey Jihadist's basic human rights are being violated there" and used it as a big stick on my and your heads. But now when it comes to a 19 years old British Um al-Donkey Jihadi teenager, The basic human rights seams to be j@ck $hit to the UK government, Despite them not being in the middle of this sh!t. So the real question is, What happened to the UK government and them constantly whining about the basic human rights?!

I'm not the one supporting the Khariji here.

I'm not supporting the Um al-Donkey Jihadi here, I'm stating facts.

 

[Hamza913]

Um al-Donkey

There's no need to insult her son.

I'm stating facts.

That nobody really cares about. Why should we even apply these laws to her? Would she do the same for others?

 

[Numerous]

I hear you regarding other criminals bro but do remember they don't have the ability to kill scores. We have no idea whether she is telling the truth and military training was freely available to the women of ISIS, including the ability build bombs. The risk is too great, there isn't a parallel between her and a normal criminal.
Fair enough regarding your opinion wanting her back, others have it to but that is a very small minority. Currently the petition to ban her has surpassed half a million, she just wouldn't be safe or welcome here.
I get the whole UK's problem but she herself surrendered her passport to Daish, so this is a self inflicted wound.
I'm pretty sure she won't be back, and no way is Bangladesh taking her, not with Hasina around.

They can just put a tag on her and they'll know whether she leaves her house and her location aswell. When people are under excessive supervision, they won't get a chance to make bombs. It would be similar to how they treated the child killers of James Bulger. Safety wise, she'll probably be far more safe in the UK than in Syria. Although she'll have forfeit certain rights such as the right to free movement around the country.

I get the reaction to her case and her words were also very unwise and they didn't help her case. People have a right to be angry. But I want justice to come before people's emotions. She did do things like surrender her passport but it was done when she was 15 and UK would tend to view her actions as the actions of a child as it would with any other young offender. These guys in school made me a write a letter to the Iranian embassy so the Iranian regime would be less harsh towards a girl who was involved in a house burglary and murder at age 17. So there should be consistency in cases like this too.

I believe we as Muslim community in the UK have a duty to help young people who go astray. I loathe the scumbags who groomed these girls online and now I see a chance where we could possibly show them the right way. Many other ISIS runaways have returned and have changed their views so there is hope for her too. So she isn't the first.

I hope that explains my stance bro. I respect your opinions as you're a reasonable and level headed person.

 

[Rafi]

You see, had any of us done the same thing to one of our own Abu Donkey Jihadi a$$holes here, Those a$$holes in the UK gov. somehow managed to twist the matter into "The Abu Donkey Jihadist's basic human rights are being violated there" and used it as a big stick on my and your heads. But now when it comes to a 19 years old British Um al-Donkey Jihadi teenager, The basic human rights seams to be j@ck $hit to the UK government, Despite them not being in the middle of this sh!t. So the real question is, What happened to the UK government and them constantly whining about the basic human rights?!


I'm not supporting the Um al-Donkey Jihadi here, I'm stating facts.

Regarding the hypocrisy, I agree with you.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria aged 15, is to lose her UK citizenship.

Whitehall sources said it was possible to strip the 19-year-old of British nationality as she was eligible for citizenship of another country.

Her family's lawyer, Tasnime Akunjee, said they were "disappointed" with the decision and were considering "all legal avenues" to challenge it.

Ms Begum, who left east London in 2015, had said she wanted to return home.

She was found in a Syrian refugee camp last week after reportedly leaving Baghuz - IS's last stronghold - and gave birth to a son at the weekend.

In an interview with the BBC on Monday, Ms Begum said she never sought to be an IS "poster girl" and now simply wished to raise her child quietly in the UK.

ITV News obtained the letter sent to Ms Begum's mother, asking her to inform her daughter of the decision.

Bangladesh link
Under the 1981 British Nationality Act, a person can be deprived of their citizenship if the home secretary is satisfied it would be "conducive to the public good" and they would not become stateless as a result.

Ms Begum said she travelled to Syria with her sister's UK passport but it was taken from her when she crossed the border.

She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country.

On the question of Ms Begum's son, a child born to a British parent before they are deprived of their citizenship would still be considered British.

While it would theoretically be possible for the UK to then remove citizenship from the child, officials would need to balance their rights against any potential threat they posed.

A Home Office spokesman said: "In recent days the home secretary has clearly stated that his priority is the safety and security of Britain and the people who live here."

He said the department did not comment on individual cases but decisions to remove citizenship were "based on all available evidence and not taken lightly".

Lord Carlile, a former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, said that if Ms Begum's mother was a Bangladeshi national - as is believed to be the case - under Bangladesh law Ms Begum would be too.

Dal Babu, a former Metropolitan Police chief superintendent and friend of Ms Begum's family, said they were "very surprised" by what seemed to be a "kneejerk reaction" by the Home Office.

Stressing that Ms Begum had never been to Bangladesh, Mr Babu said: "It seems to be a bizarre decision and I'm not entirely sure how that will stand up legally."

Islamic State has lost most of the territory it once controlled, but between 1,000 and 1,500 militants are believed to be left in a 50 sq km (20 sq mile) near Syria's border with Iraq.

Mr Javid told MPs earlier this week that more than 100 dual nationals had already lost their UK citizenship after travelling in support of terrorist groups.

Last year, two British men, accused of being members of an IS cell dubbed "The Beatles" were stripped of their citizenship after being captured in Syria.

'Willing to rehabilitate'
Ms Begum has said she does not regret travelling to Syria and was partly inspired by videos of fighters beheading hostages, as well as by videos showing "the good life" under IS.

However, she said she did not agree with everything the group had done.

"I actually do support some British values and I am willing to go back to the UK and settle back again and rehabilitate and that stuff," she told the BBC.

She admitted she was "shocked" by the 2017 Manchester Arena attack, which killed 22 people and was claimed by IS.

"I do feel that is wrong. Innocent people did get killed," she said.

But she also compared the attack to military assaults on Syria, saying: "It's one thing to kill a soldier, it's fine, it's self-defence.

"But to kill people like women and children just like the women and children in Baghuz who are being killed right now unjustly by the bombings - it's a two-way thing really because women and children are being killed back in the Islamic State right now.

"It's kind of retaliation. Their justification was that it was retaliation so I thought, okay, that is a fair justification."

Robbie Potter, who was seriously injured in the attack while he waited for his children in the foyer of Manchester Arena, said he felt "angry" and sickened by Ms Begum's comments.

"People have lost their kids, their family members. How must they feel seeing this, that we would even consider bringing someone else back?

"Let her come and meet the victims and people who lost their kids. If that's the way she wants it. Would she go in a room with them and see what their justification is?"

Ms Begum left the UK with two school friends, Kadiza Sultana and Amira Abase in February 2015. Ms Sultana is thought to have died when a house was blown up, and the fate of Ms Abase is unknown.

Ms Begum gave birth to a baby boy last weekend, having previously lost two children.

Her husband, a Dutch convert to Islam, is thought to have surrendered to a group of Syrian fighters about two weeks ago.

Ms Begum has the right to appeal the Home Office's decision.



Oh my bleeding heart....

You reap what you sow my dear. ISIS can't provide now? Knocking on the UK's door? Sorry love no wants to answer...

By the way just a little tip, I wouldn't go to Bangladesh with Auntie Hasina around, she don't like your type much.

Her smug face boils my blood

I was half expecting the Government letting her in diverting attention of people from itself to general Muslim hatred
she has allegedly said that she has no regrets and instead justifies the beheadings and other violence perpetrated by Daesh. the later news are that her UK family is planning to challenge this decision

 

[Safriz]

Being born in Britain and British by birth means nothing if your parents were immigrants.
The British government will strip your citizenship and assume that you can take nationality of your parents country even if you yourself are not dual citizen.
That's why most British Pakistani keep links with Pakistan as you never know when you or your grand kids will be asked to go back to motherland.

 

[Cthulhu]

There's no need to insult her son.

Well her son (Or daughter) is not a thing yet, So Um al-Donkey Jihahi is not an insult to her son. Also thanks to this a$$hole her son is a product of Jihad al Nikah , A child is being brought to this world because this a$$hole decided that "Hey i'm going to go to Syria and spread my legs for the Abu Donkey Jihadi there, What a great idea!" So yeah, I truly feel for that poor child.

That nobody really cares about. Why should we even apply these laws to her? Would she do the same for others?

Well she wouldn't do anything for others but those a$$holes in the UK gov. want us apply these laws to our Abu Donkey Jihadists here.

 

[Hamza913]

Well she wouldn't do anything for others but those a$$holes in the UK gov. want us apply these laws to our Abu Donkey Jihadists here.

If you want to point out the double standard then just point it out.

 

[Cthulhu]

If you want to point out the double standard then just point it out.

It's more fun to point it this way.

 

[UKBengali]

Cannot really agree with this decision.

Sajid Javid is playing politics and is not applying the law correctly. He is just out for his own career here.

The biggest thing in this girl's favour is that she was just 15 when she left and so was a minor and cannot be held responsible for her decisions then.

Last thing is that no government should have the right to take someone's citizenship away as that just cheapens it.