ISI under fire for failure to prevent Quetta bombing.

[OrionHunter]

ISI should windup it's fatal external activities in other countries and concentrate on it's national obligations!

Well said, but the truth is that the ISI has been tasked with just this as well as helping in toppling legitimate democratically elected governments in Pakistan.

Remember, recently the Pakistan government wanted the ISI to be accountable to parliament and be placed under it, but the Pakistan Army flatly refused! This clearly shows who is in charge in Pakistan. The so called 'democratically elected' govt is just a sham. The real power lies with the Army and its adjunct, the ISI.

With security/defence and foreign affairs firmly in the hands of Pakistani generals, should we be surprised at the state which Pakistan is in today? Let's face it. Statecraft is NOT meant to be the prerogative of generals. It is best left to a democratically elected government where decisions are taken by parliament, not some fellow with shining brass badges on his shoulders and RayBan shades over his eyes, walking around with swagger, wielding a leather cane!

The uniformed brass must restrict themselves to the planning and brushing up the art of war in their ops rooms and not dabble in politics and statecraft. And that is the problem in Pakistan.

 

[Screambowl]

Killing of innocent people is not an act of bravery and I personally condemn it. Pakistan needs to assure its citizens their security since military plays a big role in Pakistan's politics but at times fails to secure the citizens(no offense)

 

[indushek]

nope, that's what you'd like to think

anyone self-respecting Pakistani who has a sense of honour who respects and cares about our domestic security and rightfully views the ISI as a cornerstone line of defense and at times offensive-defense appreciates their role and is not "cursing ISI for every thing" as you naiively claim

the ISI is an intelligence organization, not a law enforcement agency like the police/FIA or even the MP.

though yes, the ISI too is susceptible to failures; other failures (many documented) where ISI provided evidence (even if it was vague in nature) -- credible action was not taking despite those warnings (e.g. Kamra debacle)


what surprises me is that there has been lack of indian questioning of RAW, which allowed 126 "mumbaikars" to be gunned down by some unruly kids who (we are told) came on plastic yellow inflatable bolts and docked so conveniently at the harbor!

Keeping aside the anger in your post,

I absolutely believe that ISI is not the one responsible for this gruesome act of bombing. The reason is that its mandate is not internal security. Any one thinking logically can identify this fact. There is no need for you to defend ISI from the evil Indian accusations.

Regarding RAW why would we blame RAW when its the Home Ministry which is to be blamed for slacking on internal security measures??

 

[tarrar]

We don’t need foreigners telling us who has flopped & who did not, these are just flop & failed tactics by our enemies to target our Pak Army & the Intel Agencies.

The thing which I don’t understand here is why the Govt. is not openly telling that BLA, BLF & BSO are involved in terrorist activity in Balochistan, province with the help of foreign powers, who are trying their very best to destabilize Pakistan.

I will not blame the Army & the Intel Agencies failures, I will directly blame the corrupt incompetent Govt. & the SC who are obstacle in the way of peace reaching Balochistan province. The only thing these two goons are good at blaming the Army & the Intel Agencies. FC is clearly saying & they have also said it in the past that give us full power & we will establish peace but the corrupt incompetent Govt. & The SC are not allowing this to happen, the only thing they are busy at is to frame & blame Pak Army & the Intel Agencies again & again.

"If you want to destabilize and destroy a country, all you have to do is create enmity between its people and their army"
~ The world-renowned Muslim Ruler "Salahuddin Ayyubi"

This is what the corrupt Govt., Govt. allies & SC busy at.

 

[OrionHunter]

The thing which I don’t understand here is why the Govt. is not openly telling that BLA, BLF & BSO are involved in terrorist activity in Balochistan, province with the help of foreign powers, who are trying their very best to destabilize Pakistan.

Really? You should have also mentioned ISI's 'S' Wing that has been allotted the task of destabilizing neighboring countries such as Afghanistan and India using religious fundamentalist terror squads to further their agenda. So, friend, two can play the game, right? Pakistan's Establishment doesn't have the sole rights for this. You think other countries will just sit back and watch the Pak Establishment trying to spread terror and mayhem on them? They'll pay you back with the same coin.

The only way is for ALL countries to simultaneously stop this terror backed destabilization doctrine and push for peace instead. But that is easier said than done considering that Pakistan is a theocratic state and whatever is done is in the name of religion. This has given rise to many religious fundamentalists who now rule the roost in Pakistan. This tribe is growing at an alarming rate and part of their agenda is to spread their influence far and wide not only in Pakistan but the whole of South Asia, their ultimate aim being to establish a world 'Muslim Caliphate'.

Most of these fundamentalists have their own agenda and have branched out on their own without the backing of the Establishment like the TTP etc. So the question is, who is in a position to control these religious fanatics who want to spread their version of Islam? A complete psychological renaissance is the need of the hour. But who is going to bell the cat?

 

[Malik Usman]

This is also the answer for world and specially for Indians who think in Pakistan ISI is the supreme power and they have control on each and everything...........if they had this couldn't be happened again and again.

 

[muse]

This is also the answer for world and specially for Indians who think in Pakistan ISI is the supreme power and they have control on each and everything...........if they had this couldn't be happened again and again.

it happened because they were in control, please do look at some of the recent history

 

[Rangila]

But this is not the first time. Failures happen, yet here one should ask if it is inaction at its best by ISI.

 

[muse]

Four, count'em, outcomes:

1. Every Major newspaper's editorial position is that the Army owes the nation an answer
2. While sectarian sentiment is strong in Pakistan, through out Pakistan, there have been strikes and protests to support the Shi'ah
3. The Arm, ISI and their proxies have egg on their face, Pakistan rejects religious and sectarian concerns
4. Another segment of the population loses faith in Pakistan as their home

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Four, count'em, outcomes:

1. Every Major newspaper's editorial position is that the Army owes the nation an answer
2. While sectarian sentiment is strong in Pakistan, through out Pakistan, there have been strikes and protests to support the Shi'ah
3. The Arm, ISI and their proxies have egg on their face, Pakistan rejects religious and sectarian concerns
4. Another segment of the population loses faith in Pakistan as their home

That seems to be as simple and clear a summation as anyone can make of the aftermath of these repeated attacks.

 

[muse]

Ok I just got this and I don't know how reliable this is - but so close to elections I think PML-N my have a problem on it's hands:

Chemicals for Quetta bombing obtained from Lahore: report
By Web Desk
Published: February 20, 2013

Police arrested owner of chemical shop who allegedly sold raw material to terrorists involved in Quetta blast.

LAHORE: The raw material for explosives used in Saturday’s bombing in Quetta was bought from a market in Lahore, Express News reported.

The raw material was bought from a chemicals shop in Akbar Mandi. Police has arrested the owner of the shop for questioning.

The records stated that in the last two months fifteen cartons of raw materials had been sent to Quetta in the name of Daad Khan. The police have confiscated the records.

Earlier, Pakistani security forces had nabbed 170 suspects in their operations across the city according a BBC News report.

On Tuesday, AFP reported that security forces killed four men and arrested seven others accused of killing Shia Muslims, including a purported mastermind of a devastating bomb attack that killed 89 people, officials said.

The operation was carried out on the outskirts of Quetta, where thousands of Shias were demanding army protection and refusing to bury the victims of Saturday’s bomb attack on their ethnic Hazara community.

 

[Last Hope]

I had created this thread just to burst such bubbles. ISI's actual job is to gather military intelligence not counter-terrorism or secretarial violence.

A part of ISI is dedicated to counter-terrorism measures. This is namely ‘Anti-Insurgency Department’. Being an Military Intelligence agency, this matter should not be covered by ISI. Actually is the responsibility of civilian security forces and intelligence. However, be grateful, knowing the civilian cannot tackle themselves, ISI decided to diversify and add more objectives to their responsibilities. What force? Why divide the limited funding into this matter? Just for the security of Pakistan and Pakistani residents… including you… who rather end up in shame and disgrace speaking against the work of ISI!

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-army/201923-isi-big-failure.html#ixzz2LQuXXZd2

Blame the CID and Police, not the Army or ISI.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Four, count'em, outcomes:

1. Every Major newspaper's editorial position is that the Army owes the nation an answer
2. While sectarian sentiment is strong in Pakistan, through out Pakistan, there have been strikes and protests to support the Shi'ah
3. The Arm, ISI and their proxies have egg on their face, Pakistan rejects religious and sectarian concerns
4. Another segment of the population loses faith in Pakistan as their home

Four outcomes, realistically speaking:

1. An answer may be owed, but not necessarily forthcoming from the Army.
2. Those protest will remain ineffective, but will serve as a safety valve to release pressure only.
3. Egg on face? Time for breakfast! Rejection of sectarian concerns does not mean they will not be used to induce fear.
4. So what? To quote an ex-Prime Minister, if they want to leave "what is stopping them"? Losing faith means nothing in this context.

 

[truthseer]

Four, count'em, outcomes:

1. Every Major newspaper's editorial position is that the Army owes the nation an answer

Just commenting on this, a newspaper editor's position is not the people's. The people of Quetta want Army rule, it's as simple as that

 

[Malik Usman]

it happened because they were in control, please do look at some of the recent history

This is not happened due to ISI...if you blame ISI than what you will say about US and NATO (around 50 Countries) failure in Afghanistan..........the problem is which people don't understand....Military or ISI or any other intelligence agency they can do operations, clean the areas from terrorists but they can't stay there permanent.....after their sweep its political govt and other civil departments job to control on those areas with economically and political y.....and which they are failing again and again.....you see only the mishap happened but how many attacks ISI or MI foiled and they don't let them happened nobody knows, even somebody knows they just don't care and don't want to talk.