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ISLAMABAD: Incensed over the `shock revelation` about growing network of CIA spies in Pakistan, the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) is trying to redefine its terms of engagement with the American spy agency before any settlement of the row over immunity for Raymond Davis, the jailed US operative.

In an indication that Pakistan and the US were actively considering a review of parameters of their cooperation, the chief of the Office of (US) Defence Representative in Pakistan, Vice Admiral Michael LeFever for the first time attended monthly White House meeting recently through video teleconferencing.

The meeting reportedly discussed various options on the table for getting out of the stalemate, which has serious implications for the bilateral strategic relationship.

LeFever`s first appearance at the monthly White House meeting indicated that the Davis issue was now being handled mainly by the two militaries, even though American officials emphasise that it was strictly an issue for State Department to handle.

In Pakistan`s context, they broadly use the term `Government of Pakistan` while some others say `political reality is there` _ an indication that the Army was their main interlocutor.

US Ambassador Cameron Munter and LeFever have both been intensely involved in dealing with the diplomatic crisis after Davis`s arrest.

The Lahore High Court will resume its proceedings on March 14 for deciding the issue of immunity for Davis, where the government is expected to testify on his diplomatic status. But, sources suggest, the hearing will be preceded by a lot of `give and take` between the two sides and negotiations to that effect were already under way.

American sources also confirmed that communication was taking place at different levels to sort out different contentious issues, which although simmering for quite some time, have gained urgency following the Davis saga.

According to an official privy to the ongoing negotiations, the Davis issue, although still primary for the US, has been overtaken by other matters pertaining to working of the CIA in Pakistan, the operational freedom it (CIA) had been enjoying and more specifically its ties with the ISI. Davis`s fate, a source said, hinged to a large extent on the outcome of this CIA-ISI dialogue.

The ISI believes that it had been betrayed by the CIA. Although their complex relationship was always marred by mutual distrust, the ISI officials this time look particularly perturbed over the CIA reportedly developing its own network of undeclared spies and disregarding their institution and sacrifices of their colleagues – 300 of whom have been killed during the war on terror.

“There have been seven or eight major attacks on the ISI, whereas there has been only one on a CIA post in Khost,” an official said while comparing the brunt borne by the two spy outfits.

One of Pakistan`s demands at the talks between military and intelligence officials is a categorical assurance from the American spy agency for ending its undeclared activities and being transparent in its dealings with the ISI.

There were unconfirmed claims that the CIA in its bid to pacify the situation, which is deteriorating fast, has already started withdrawing into shell by removing some of its men from Pakistan and cutting certain questionable activities.

A senior military commander, speaking on background, however, said it was premature for him to say whether or not there was some forward movement.

Even as Pakistani officials claim that they were caught unawares about the CIA developing its network of spies and mounting undeclared operations, the Americans insist that Pakistanis were fully aware of the activities now being questioned.

Davis, revelation of whose CIA affiliation apparently caused the furore in Pakistani intelligence quarters, was declared by the US embassy as affiliated with Regional Affairs Office (RAO) in the registration request with the Foreign Office filed last year. The fact that the RAO is widely known to be linked to the CIA, therefore, raises questions as to why Pakistani security agencies couldn`t know who he was before the January 27 shooting incident in Lahore.

The lingering dispute, which has turned uglier with the public spat between the intelligence agencies of both countries, has started affecting their counter-terror cooperation.

A Pakistani general said the row had definitely impacted the Pak-US military-to-military relationship, because the ISI was a services intelligence agency and an extension of military. But, the brighter side, he maintained was that both sides continued to engage each other for resolving their disputes.

A senior American official seconded his view saying: “we are walking with the pebble in the shoe”.

Other sources, while trying to give an impression that military ties remained unhurt, pointed towards recent disbursement of $633 million in the Coalition Support Fund to Pakistan and delivery of long demanded night vision goggles. “We are now working on CSF disbursements for third and fourth quarter of 2010,” a source added.

While much of the media focus has been on the CIA and ISI washing their linen in public, sources say, disclosure about growing CIA network in Pakistan has further frayed civil-military ties in the country.

Military and officials are now questioning the grant of visas to some 450 Americans without any scrutiny allowing CIA spies to enter the country in great numbers.

At the same time, the ISI has also done a bit of soul-searching to find how they lost track of the CIA spies. This was followed by an internal reshuffle to express displeasure of the top brass, if not as part of fixing responsibility on the changed officials.

ISI redefining terms of engagement with CIA | Newspaper | DAWN.COM
 
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Why do i feel that this is a smoke screen just a face saving !!! i am pretty sure Pakistani ISI knew of these operatives and didnt expect tha matter to spill out in public !!!
 
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This is too much of bigmouth talks. There is a recent news report in Dawn.

Gunman fires at diplomatic car in Pakistan

DOHA: Qatar says a gunman in Pakistan opened fire on a car carrying Qatar’s consul and two other Gulf diplomats in an apparent robbery attempt, but no injuries are reported.

The Qatar News Agency says the assailant in Karachi tried to open the car door Saturday, then fired shots at the vehicle from a pistol. The report says the Qatari official was accompanied by Oman’s consul and the deputy consul for Kuwait.

The agency says no one was injured in what it called an armed robbery attempt.

People must be aware that pakistan is full of such cockroaches. Had the gunman succeded he could have killed the foreign diplomat. I am convinced that Raymond Davis did a very good thing to shot the thugs point blank. These robers and thugs deserve this treatment. RD was not trained to be a Gandhiji. He did that in self defence. And even after such a major incidence pakistani goons are still targetting foreign diplomats. Pak army and ISI instead of weeping and accusing CIA, left and right must focus on internal Law and order situation first. If law and order improves, such awkward situation can be avoided.
 
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Nothing face saving here.Covert operators are always present in the form of diplomats and staff.It's just one form of coordination between the two intelligence orginazations ,just to make sure not everybody has to pass through this tough and hard scenario.It would be better if they provide the whole list, or rather i'll put it as one "senior American official" was quoted in the article:



“we are walking with the pebble in the shoe”.

So, they better should identify those pebbles and help us handover these irritants to them harmlessly.:)

The stance of ISI seems quite simple and realistic here, they said they just don't know how many operators are on the same job as Mr.Davis was ,simply they don't know each and everyone.So a list is required.Anything ambiguous??
 
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Nothing face saving here.Covert operators are always present in the form of diplomats and staff.It's just one form of coordination between the two intelligence orginazations ,just to make sure not everybody has to pass through this tough and hard scenario.It would be better if they provide the whole list, or rather i'll put it as one "senior American official" was quoted in the article:





So, they better should identify those pebbles and help us handover these irritants to them harmlessly.:)

The stance of ISI seems quite simple and realistic here, they said they just don't know how many operators are on the same job as Mr.Davis was ,simply they don't know each and everyone.So a list is required.Anything ambiguous??

Yes but IMO... ISI had failed to forsee the out come of ventures being cooked in Afghanistan occupied by foreigners.

ISI had also failed to implicate the king pin of terrorism in Pakistan and that is non other than Rehman Malik.
 
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Yes but IMO... ISI had failed to forsee the out come of ventures being cooked in Afghanistan occupied by foreigners.

ISI had also failed to implicate the king pin of terrorism in Pakistan and that is non other than Rehman Malik.

This man is brain washed /fed by intelligence organizations ,just a harmless growth let's not talk about this matter.

About Afghan ventures and the aftermath, same is the case with American administration(they are still unable to understand it),it's an unstable area and the geopolitics and power structure keeps on changing.What we require is to carve our response accordingly. And a strong alliance with the forces which suit our goals in the region.
 
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One of Pakistan`s demands at the talks between military and intelligence officials is a categorical assurance from the American spy agency for ending its undeclared activities and being transparent in its dealings with the ISI.

There were unconfirmed claims that the CIA in its bid to pacify the situation, which is deteriorating fast, has already started withdrawing into shell by removing some of its men from Pakistan and cutting certain questionable activities

Pathetic -- The Pakistanis apparently don't trust their own ability, they seek to live off the "assurances" of a hostile power -- And the US, similarly, Pathetic, engaged in "questionable activities" in country where anything that has US related to it, is seen as tainted.

The US seems determined to soldier on, so it's up to responsible Pakistanis to help the US help itself rid itself of it's Pakistan obsession -- reduce the size of the US embassy personnel - there are plans to build the largest US embassy (fort) in the world in Islamabad, this plan should be opposed vigorously -- help the US help itself, show them the road back to Tel Aviv.
 
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Pathetic -- The Pakistanis apparently don't trust their own ability, they seek to live off the "assurances" of a hostile power -- And the US, similarly, Pathetic, engaged in "questionable activities" in country where anything that has US related to it, is seen as tainted.

The US seems determined to soldier on, so it's up to responsible Pakistanis to help the US help itself rid itself of it's Pakistan obsession -- reduce the size of the US embassy personnel - there are plans to build the largest US embassy (fort) in the world in Islamabad, this plan should be opposed vigorously -- help the US help itself, show them the road back to Tel Aviv.

Can you explain why you wrote bold part of your post?
 
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One of Pakistan`s demands at the talks between military and intelligence officials is a categorical assurance from the American spy agency for ending its undeclared activities and being transparent in its dealings with the ISI.

It is really funny, asking an intel agency to be transparent..??
 
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Pakistan needs to track all foreign agents doing illegal activities in Pakistan. ISI needs to do a better job in this arena.
 
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Can you explain why you wrote bold part of your post?
DV Rules

Yes -- Have a good look at a world map, focus on the Southwest, central and South Asia region -- Where is the US situated there?? on Bases in what NEED to be FRIENDLY countries, yes?? Yes??

And now with that in mind, please point a single country that can seen as FRIENDLY and which would welcome US bases or miloitary or "enhanced" diplomatic presence???

Then Ask WHY?? WHY does the US policy of "forward" positioning, has zero takers ???? So after 10 years, why is that they keep doing what produces negative results???

See, they find themselves kicked out of Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia -- really where does it leave them?? they will go to Qatar?? Where the peoples will welcome them??? The Qatari may find that they can have development without the US, after all, where ever there is US there is trouble -- let the Indian host the American, lets see how welcome the Indian peoples will make them -- So, where can they go? Let them go to Israel

So what gives?? Is that the best the US can do ?? Yes, it is - because it is despised everywhere else -- but why should this be?? Because it continues policies that finds acceptance only if the peoples are coerced to accept them - how long can such a situation go on for a power whose revival and return to prominence depends on that populations that today reject her policies???

Loving the US or patriotism must mean than frothing at the mouth when one hears the word Islam - it must, because the consequences, if this does not change, it will be tragic, for all those upon whom US policy will be used, but also for the US itself.
 
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This is too much of bigmouth talks. There is a recent news report in Dawn.

Gunman fires at diplomatic car in Pakistan



People must be aware that pakistan is full of such cockroaches. Had the gunman succeded he could have killed the foreign diplomat. I am convinced that Raymond Davis did a very good thing to shot the thugs point blank. These robers and thugs deserve this treatment. RD was not trained to be a Gandhiji. He did that in self defence. And even after such a major incidence pakistani goons are still targetting foreign diplomats. Pak army and ISI instead of weeping and accusing CIA, left and right must focus on internal Law and order situation first. If law and order improves, such awkward situation can be avoided.

1. RD should not have been carrying a gun since he was not authorized to by the Government of Pakistan.
2. RD should not have been in an area where Embassy/Consulate officials were not authorized to be in.
3. RD should not have been engaging in activities that were not condoned by, and declared to, the Government of Pakistan.

The fault for the events that occurred on the day of the three Pakistanis being killed by US officials in Pakistan lies entirely with the Americans for not following the rules laid down for them.

Why was RD living and working in Lahore, and driving around carrying loaded guns and ammunition without authorization, if he was part of the 'technical and administrative staff' of the US embassy in Islamabad?
 
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It is really funny, asking an intel agency to be transparent..??

It is, but assuming the CIA plays ball and says yes, what will happen if the ISI digs up yet more 'undeclared activity' in Pakistan after that?

No more excuses then, no?

The CIA may not become completely transparent, but it will likely cut back in the interest of not sabotaging the relationship beyond repair - how much it will agree to do, and whether it will be satisfactory for the ISI, remains to be seen.
 
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