ISI : Operation Love Birds

[TheNoob]

that only your father can tell

Some indian defecated in the open in 1982.

Relevant?

 

[RealNapster]

that only your father can tell

My father don't even know about this thread running on PDF. but you do. so you answer SIRRRRRRRR..........

Some indian defecated in the open in 1982.

Relevant?

Of course. how the hell can you question Indian Logic.

 

[Jf Thunder]

LOL but pakitan or its isi had nothing to do with it

who knows.............

 

[sady]

I completely agree with you there.

If a spy agency is good, the biggest sign is you usually don't hear much about them & they do their work quietly in the shadows. That's the whole purpose of being a spy agency. If it's not then you hear everyone talking about them from your own media to foreign media.

TTP is the biggest threat Pakistan has faced in the modern era & the ISI's inability to stop them until the loss of 60,000 lives is a huge question mark on its capabilities. Not to mention things like MQM possibly receiving funding from India, RAW creating sectarian chaos in Karachi & Quetta, people like Kulbhushan Yadav being present in Balochistan since the start of the insurgency but only caught this year. Even things like the Uri attacks, if it is established that the attackers crossed from our side then it is our failure too because it took away the spotlight from UNGA and helped Indian propaganda machine against us.

A lot of our organisations need restructuring and fresh blood. This includes our security apparatus especially.

I agree, criticism is justified if there is no underlying agenda of propaganda. Unfortunately those who criticise Security apparatus in Pakistan have underlying agenda's so one can understand the allergy of establishment against criticism.
However mistakes have been made inspite of a lot of good work, that is a reason the idea of Martial law should be laid to rest in Pakistan. A single person with no control or oversight deciding for 180 million is a national security conundrum in itself. The results are for every one to see. Only Civ do not make National security blunders.

 

[coffee_cup]

but Siachin was still captured in 1984 and pakistan could not recapture it even after deploying worlds no. 1 ssg(as pakistanis believe them to be), all the isi brilliance ended in smoke

Look at it from another point of view.

You whining about Kargil all the time whereas it was you who started it all by illegally capturing Siachen during 80s.

So even though not unexpected from India, her playing of "victim" in Kargil case was quite funny for a layman.

 

[Aviator23]

I agree, criticism is justified if there is no underlying agenda of propaganda. Unfortunately those who criticise Security apparatus in Pakistan have underlying agenda's so one can understand the allergy of establishment against criticism.
However mistakes have been made inspite of a lot of good work, that is a reason the idea of Martial law should be laid to rest in Pakistan. A single person with no control or oversight deciding for 180 million is a national security conundrum in itself. The results are for every one to see. Only Civ do not make National security blunders.

Well said. But at the same time when we paint everyone who criticises the security apparatus as having an agenda we also risk silencing the ones who are doing it out of concern for the country not to settle own scores. Criticism is good whether than be of the military, politicians or any other field. If we want to move forward as a country we must welcome constructive criticism.

 

[Shockwave]

Look at it from another point of view.

You whining about Kargil all the time whereas it was you who started it all by illegally capturing Siachen during 80s.

So even though not unexpected from India, her playing of "victim" in Kargil case was quite funny for a layman.

we recaptured all the kargil posts but pakistan couldnt do the same during siachen battle of 1984

 

[coffee_cup]

we recaptured all the kargil posts but pakistan couldnt do the same during siachen battle of 1984

But you set the precedent of violating gentleman agreement and hence should not have run around the world whining if others attempted it too. Just like crying about being victim of terrorism.

This is the point I am trying to make.