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ISI is a "rogue agency": AQ Khan

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RAW is part of cabinet secretariat working directly under Prime minster office (PMO). operations of CIA are monitored by senate intelligence committee in US.
Yeah and they (CIA) assured their supervisors (SIC) about "virtual" WMDs and sparked a war? where was the political will? I mean CIA is more close to US millitary than the government looking at its acts which indirectly promoted the interests of US Armed forces. There are much more broader interests of the country which political leadership is not able to sometimes comprehend. So effectively every intelligence service is almost autonomous to operate.
 
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Yeah and they (CIA) assured their supervisors (SIC) about "virtual" WMDs and sparked a war? where was the political will? I mean CIA is more close to US millitary than the government looking at its acts which indirectly promoted the interests of US Armed forces. There are much more broader interests of the country which political leadership is not able to sometimes comprehend. So effectively every intelligence service is almost autonomous to operate.

CIA had to convince on G W Bush abt WMD.

i did a research paper on funding of many intelligence agencies. i found many int agencies deliberately painted false picture to their security goverment so that there are no cuts in their funding.

same are applicable to all int organisation be it ISI or RAW or ISI. while i agree on giving limited autonomy to INT agencies in terms of operations, i would really like all intelligence agencies to be under civilian control.
 
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Gotta agree with you there. ISI lost all power with the establishment of a democratic govt. But we've seen ISI effectively take down democratic govt to establish a dictatorship. So though its no longer interfering in national politics, it doesn't imply that it can not, and it will not.

mere speculation on your part...no need for me to delve into substance-devoid hypotheticals

Correct. When international agencies were blaming Khan and ISI for proliferation, no one paid attention in Pak, and people thought so highly of him that they denied all of it. But ISI and Army both assisted Khan with the proliferation.

I was referring to his work leading up to the bomb.....not what happened subsequently. If you have proof that Army or ISI "both assisted Khan with the proliferation" then do kindly share it with the forum.

Otherwise, you are just engaging in the type of speculation and obcessions with ISI/Army you indians have become famous for

(much due credit to these institutions for keeping you people all jittery at night :woot:)


He did serve Pakistan, but before serving Pak, he was also serving Netherlands, remember?

the unfavourable outcome of 1971 brought much anger to him; and he knew that he could help Pakistan restore its pride and gain leverage over its enemy to the east

He served the Netherlands of course; but ditched his job and brought technical know-how which was lacking in the country.....of course innovated along the way. The centrifuge designs he took by force were not identical to the final result (i.e. the centrifuge cascade currently up in place and running)


What he did there was he stole their technology, and brought it to Pak. A person who can do it once can and will do it again. He sold this tech to other countries as well.

non-issue......he apologized for his actions on live TV and has largely been forgiven by Pakistani peoples. Nobody even talks about it anymore in Pakistan.

Now there were personal gains, as well as national gains attached to these deals. Selling these plans to China and NK helped Pakistan get missile tech.

good......and now we have a solid missile program with much needed domestic know-how

I have no objections in this regard --maybe others will disagree completely. Ideally, cash is a better means for transaction. And supply of cash was no problem at all for KRL --as it was coming from Pakistan as well as from other 'friendly' sources (if i am not mistaken)

All Pakistani missiles are today based on Korean and Chinese missiles.

and over time we have gained the local know-how and can modify their range, payload capabilities or other attributes to suit our mood, tastes and preferences.....mission accomplished :)


But with all this he also wanted to become rich, of course he was no God, he had all the qualities of humans like greed etc, and remember he had already proved him disloyal to another country once

lets be clear on something here......he was Muslim and Pakistani first. You can call it whatever you damn well feel like. I don't know what the standard indian mentality is, but Pakistanis are very proud of their identity whether they are inside or outside of Pakistan....I think time outside of Pakistan, and the events unfolding, made him even more patriotic and desperate to make a name for himself for the betterment of his country

of course i will agree, money CAN be the conduit towards greed......(or is it the other way around?)

I was never surprised that he weighed his own benefits higher than national benefit.

send him a personal letter and a request to do a biograpy on him while you're at it :lol:


So I can't blame him alone, its the whole Army, ISI, Khan nexus that is to be blamed. Everyone is corrupt in power in Pak right now.

Pakistan became nuclear. Mission accomplished ;)

by the way, you being an indian --you are in absolutely no moral or 'other' position to be commenting on corruption in our country or any other country for that matter

put bluntly.........hope you aren't offended :)



















p.s. the centrifuge & other component design AQ Khan sold to Iranians was an out-dated one which had already been revamped and improved.....perhaps you didn't know that
 
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CIA had to convince on G W Bush abt WMD.

i did a research paper on funding of many intelligence agencies. i found many int agencies deliberately painted false picture to their security goverment so that there are no cuts in their funding.

same are applicable to all int organisation be it ISI or RAW or ISI. while i agree on giving limited autonomy to INT agencies in terms of operations, i would really like all intelligence agencies to be under civilian control.

I'll patch you to DG-ISI and head of CIA -- i'm sure they would really like to gain some valuable insights from you on how to run their agencies

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

by the way, it would be prudent for me to question your knowledge about the ISI and how it (rather, its branches) operate

but no point in going into it; just do your assigned role and keep speculating on it....that's about all you can do really.

ISI is a consortium of intelligence gathering agencies.......good luck on your next 'research paper' regarding their modus-operandi


:coffee:
 
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I'll patch you to DG-ISI and head of CIA -- i'm sure they would really like to gain some valuable insights from you on how to run their agencies

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

by the way, it would be prudent for me to question your knowledge about the ISI and how it (rather, its branches) operate

but no point in going into it; just do your assigned role and keep speculating on it....that's about all you can do really.

ISI is a consortium of intelligence gathering agencies.......good luck on your next 'research paper' regarding their modus-operandi


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brother for u r info, ISI wasnt included in my paper. i dont claim to be extremely knowledgable abt ISI. neither did i claim anytime i can run a spy agency.

i just stated a plain fact. its habit of intelligence agencies to sometimes give false picture to respective government about threat perception so that there is no cut in funding.

by the way thanx for u r "good luck'' message.
 
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i sence he likely yo join politics as his tone in the article suggests to me...
yes and as father of Pakistan's nuclear program he is very popular.he has high chances of winning.
 
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of course they do.....why wouldnt they?

while Obama and hillary clinton talk about ''reset button'' with the russians (who are basically saying "include us in the ABM shield program or we will continue our arms race with you") do you really think CIA is ending its ops against its historic archrival?

or vice versa? Russian spies are still being caught in US, as happened a few months back


of course both sides in any conflict will want to exaggerate or at least 'upgrade' threat levels subsequent to calculated assesments made....



but there is a difference between wariness & caution, versus unexplainable paranoia ("ISI pigeons" etc.)


i've read the sensationalist headlines in western (but mostly indian) news publications about "rogue ISI" and this and that......pray tell me, why do so many of the foreign intel agencies (primarily the ones that 'matter') still place huge emphasis and importance on cooperation and consultations with ISI if it is a "rogue" entity


my friend --- what is reported in media and what takes place behind closed doors is worlds apart........there is a lot more to shyte in life than meets the eye; some of these things may be hard to digest for some! :)
 
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i've read the sensationalist headlines in western (but mostly indian) news publications about "rogue ISI" and this and that......pray tell me, why do so many of the foreign intel agencies (primarily the ones that 'matter') still place huge emphasis and importance on cooperation and consultations with ISI if it is a "rogue" entity

every time I read news about ISI .. I feel proud..
well done our secret services for giving the enemies of Pakistan sleepless nights..

and increasing the blood pressure and restricting the bowel movements of some Indians who suffer from ISI phobia..
 
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every time I read news about ISI .. I feel proud..
well done our secret services for giving the enemies of Pakistan sleepless nights..

and increasing the blood pressure and restricting the bowel movements of some Indians who suffer from ISI phobia..

Is Mr AQ Khan an Enemy of Pakistan??? Why would he be your enemy anyway??
 
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