ISI hid news of Mullah Omar’s death: ex-Pentagon official

[That Guy]

and all your statements and allegations are facts... right !
are you acting funny or you really are that naïve?

You say naïve, but i dont think You know what That means.

It doesn't matter, no one is taking you seriously. Now stop wasting my time and replying to me.

 

[OTTOMAN]

You say naïve, but i dont think You know what That means.

It doesn't matter, no one is taking you seriously. Now stop wasting my time and replying to me.

I don't know the meaning of naïve... this is classic.

Isn't this what intelligence agencies are for?

How many years have you been running an intelligence desk to make that judgement?
We live in a world where information is 'leveraged', that is what it was with OBL and that is what it was with MO.

Basically this is your hunch... but this is also not what intel. agencies always do!
They do share info. and WoT is a global issue and intelligence is not only shared to support partners, but also to honor the formal agreements in place.
There were way too many loopholes in hiding such info. and it was impossible, even if we believe that ISI had full control of MO and his fellows.... which is as abhorrent to believe as it gets.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Read my post again---- " if isi hid the death of Mullah Omar "-----hid the death---not hiding him on any base---that is all I am saying-----. Stop the stupidity.

sorry I missed the 'IF' part, I will not go back to re-confirm, I trust you here.
rest...ISI can only hide death report of MO if they constantly knew of his hiding, which amounts to hiding lot more than the death news alone, and I strongly doubt, ISI's presence in Afghanistan was any more resourceful than combined Indians, Iranians and Americans.
Is this logical enough.. minus my choice of words?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

He never left Kandahar.....I STRONGLY believe he died most likely in Sangasar, his base. He had so much support there that even NATO forces avoided it

He never escaped Afghanistan when the soviets invaded and gun-shipped entire villages, he would never have left when NATO did onslaught against Afghanistan. He was as patriotic as he was STUBBORN and headstrong

Pakistan ISI operates on the Principle of " NEED TO KNOW, BASIS ".

If you need to know you will be informed.....

Otherwise......

That's what all intelligence agencies do.....collect information, share only what's needed, disseminate incorrect information to fool people, make predictions etc.

bottom line --- they get paid to LIE...that's what they do hell look at the relationship between the USA and German and French intelligence....they lie to eachother ALL the time!

What are the basis of your claim?



Why do you trust Americans so religiously? Leave them alone... btw. if you watch Iranian media, they blame ISI every hour for their own miseries too.

I think they blame the Americans for everything which is why they have Death to America signs all over the country......Their relations with Pakistan were understandably strained when terrorists murdered Iranian diplomats in Afghanistan. Taleban govt. was in charge at that time so it was under their watch.

The CIA hides things from the ISI, why should anyone expect the ISI to be completely honest with the CIA? These are Intel agencies. Even" friendly" agencies don't cooperate fully with each other, even if they play nice in the public eye.

Wasn't it the NSA that spied on supposed allied nations and friendly governments, along with their leaders (and probably still do)?

the NSA tapped Angela Merkel's mobile phone for Fucks sakes!

 

[Peace seeker]

ISI hid news of Mullah Omar’s death: ex-Pentagon official

• Foreign
  
• National

46 MINS AGO BY AGENCIES
Pakistan’s intelligence had knowledge about the death of reclusive Taliban chief Mullah Omar and its move to hide the news is “failure” of not only the US-Pak intelligence co-operation, but also the American intelligence as well, a former top Pentagon official has said.

Mullah Omar, the one-eyed commander who led the Taliban for some 20 years, is reported to have died in a hospital in Karachi on April 23, 2013.

But the information about his mysterious death, most probably due to tuberculosis, was leaked only this month and then subsequently confirmed by the Taliban, the White House and the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Pakistan, which has considerable influence over the Taliban leadership and was instrumental in bringing them to the peace talks table with the democratically elected government of Afghanistan last month, has as usual strongly denied that it had any information about the death of Omar.

However, David Sedney, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Afghanistan-Pakistan during 2009-2013, has intensive knowledge of the terrorist groups of the region and has strong network of contacts within the intelligence community of the region and the US, refuses to buy the Pakistani argument.

“I am highly highly confident that at least few people in the Pakistani government and intelligence agencies (Inter-Services Intelligence) knew about this (death of Mullah Omar),” Sedney told PTI.

“The whole issue of Mullah Omar’s death and the fact that it was kept secret for so long and so successfully leads to a host of other questions,” he said.

“People are asking everywhere – in Afghanistan and Pakistan, in the US, – how did this happen and why? Because to carry out that kind of deception, I would say, is an example of highly professional intelligence tactics. There does not seem to be any history, anywhere I know of, similar kinds of movements where they have lost a leader and then kept it secret for so long,” Sedney said.

Sedney, who now is a nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, a top American think-tank, argued that not knowing the death of Mullah Omar for two years is a failure of US intelligence in a major way.

“It is failure of US intelligence in two ways. First it did not find out what was going on inside the Taliban and secondly it did not find out from Pakistan. US intelligence has had a mixed relationship with ISI over the years. One of the things people have used to justify our relationship with Pakistan is that in a number of areas we had good intelligence sharing co-operation. To me this is a failure of that intelligence relationship,” Sedney said.
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...s-of-mullah-omars-death-ex-pentagon-official/

i think he had a jinn talking to him

 

[That Guy]

the NSA tapped Angela Merkel's mobile phone for Fucks sakes!

Yup. When it comes to intelligence, there is no trust involved.

 

[Super Falcon]

Than u why not leaked it such a neglance USA who claims that it has best agency cant even have real pic of MULLAH UMAR

ERA OF MULLAH UMAR was finedt and peacefull for all

 

[OTTOMAN]

I think they blame the Americans for everything which is why they have Death to America signs all over the country......Their relations with Pakistan were understandably strained when terrorists murdered Iranian diplomats in Afghanistan. Taleban govt. was in charge at that time so it was under their watch.

I'm posting my personal experience...it was always great shame for me to watch local Iran news with local friends..
They really used to bang Pakistan on all the crimes in their Baluchistan, and their public believe them and you see the result, you see there attitude towards Pakistan and that of their friends.
Mulla don't want any good relation with Pakistan, they don't want to see Pakistan in good health... they will always find something to feed their public.

 

[krash]

ISI hid news of Mullah Omar’s death: ex-Pentagon official

• Foreign
  
• National

46 MINS AGO BY AGENCIES
Pakistan’s intelligence had knowledge about the death of reclusive Taliban chief Mullah Omar and its move to hide the news is “failure” of not only the US-Pak intelligence co-operation, but also the American intelligence as well, a former top Pentagon official has said.

Mullah Omar, the one-eyed commander who led the Taliban for some 20 years, is reported to have died in a hospital in Karachi on April 23, 2013.

But the information about his mysterious death, most probably due to tuberculosis, was leaked only this month and then subsequently confirmed by the Taliban, the White House and the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Pakistan, which has considerable influence over the Taliban leadership and was instrumental in bringing them to the peace talks table with the democratically elected government of Afghanistan last month, has as usual strongly denied that it had any information about the death of Omar.

However, David Sedney, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Afghanistan-Pakistan during 2009-2013, has intensive knowledge of the terrorist groups of the region and has strong network of contacts within the intelligence community of the region and the US, refuses to buy the Pakistani argument.

“I am highly highly confident that at least few people in the Pakistani government and intelligence agencies (Inter-Services Intelligence) knew about this (death of Mullah Omar),” Sedney told PTI.

“The whole issue of Mullah Omar’s death and the fact that it was kept secret for so long and so successfully leads to a host of other questions,” he said.

“People are asking everywhere – in Afghanistan and Pakistan, in the US, – how did this happen and why? Because to carry out that kind of deception, I would say, is an example of highly professional intelligence tactics. There does not seem to be any history, anywhere I know of, similar kinds of movements where they have lost a leader and then kept it secret for so long,” Sedney said.

Sedney, who now is a nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, a top American think-tank, argued that not knowing the death of Mullah Omar for two years is a failure of US intelligence in a major way.

“It is failure of US intelligence in two ways. First it did not find out what was going on inside the Taliban and secondly it did not find out from Pakistan. US intelligence has had a mixed relationship with ISI over the years. One of the things people have used to justify our relationship with Pakistan is that in a number of areas we had good intelligence sharing co-operation. To me this is a failure of that intelligence relationship,” Sedney said.
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...s-of-mullah-omars-death-ex-pentagon-official/

Wait wait wait.....so the CIA had no clue of his death until they were told. This man had no clue while he was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Afghanistan-Pakistan during 2009-2013. But as soon as they are told, this now nobody, member of a think-tank, living thousands of miles away has suddenly figured out that Pakistan already had the knowledge and hid it from everyone? His "strong network of contacts within the intelligence community of the region and the US" which had no clue for years is now the legitimacy tag for his claims? And all that he has for his argument is that he "refuses to buy the Pakistani argument" and that “I am highly highly confident that at least few people in the Pakistani government and intelligence agencies (Inter-Services Intelligence) knew about this (death of Mullah Omar)”.

Why do you people even share these articles?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I'm posting my personal experience...it was always great shame for me to watch local Iran news with local friends..
They really used to bang Pakistan on all the crimes in their Baluchistan, and their public believe them and you see the result, you see there attitude towards Pakistan and that of their friends.
Mulla don't want any good relation with Pakistan, they don't want to see Pakistan in good health... they will always find something to feed their public.

the issues they have in Sistan va Baluchistan province (Iran) are self-created ones - issues they'll have to solve on their own

Yup. When it comes to intelligence, there is no trust involved.

the whole point of intelligence is lying and catching others lying

So uncomfortable questions have started to be raised. Wait till some senator asks : " who ordered killing of American soldiers in Afghanistan when Omar was dead ? "..

the Afghans have never taken kindly to people they consider as invaders....this is just a historical fact

nothing to do with taking orders